From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Mar 10 14:52:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA514762 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:52:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03620 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:52:10 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003616; Wed, 10 Mar 99 14:51:41 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25096 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11631-25826>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:38:55 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <157184-215>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:43:21 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157319-212>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:38:50 -0500 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:1382 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <157322-215>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:36:01 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Kj4o-000OJF-0C for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:31:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA00964 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:40:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:10:17 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicholas Clark cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: egcs 1.1.1 assembler output for 2.2. kernel compilation. In-Reply-To: <199903062307.XAA04426@flirble.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 933 Lines: 24 On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Nicholas Clark wrote: > Apart from LDRH/STRH is there anything that egcs will do that the ART > StrongARM card won't like? I don't think so. If you use the latest -philb patch then the theory is that it won't do halfwords either. Judging by other messages this may be a bit broken at the moment but it's probably due to my attempts to fix up the MM code for ARM6/7 without adequately testing it, and it should be easy enough to sort it out. > (I had a look at arm.c and arm.h in gcc - erk, it's complex. Am I > right in thinking that currently gcc doesn't attempt to reoder LDR > instructions This is the sort of thing that -mtune=strongarm110 should turn on (which is precisely what the above patch does in fact). I don't have the GCC sources handy right now so I can't comment on particular optimisations being in or out. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Mar 11 00:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA525765 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:12:42 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05140 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:12:41 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005138; Thu, 11 Mar 99 00:12:24 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10326 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <1429-8469>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:12:13 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <157673-212>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:16:14 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157307-212>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:12:49 -0500 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]:1722 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <157532-212>; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:12:25 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ks4t-0001Uz-0A; Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:07:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00307; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:12:26 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:12:24 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Richard Atterer cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: egcs 1.1.1 assembler output for 2.2. kernel compilation. In-Reply-To: <48DE39FFDA%atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 1272 Lines: 37 On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Richard Atterer wrote: > In article <199903052103.VAA00581@raistlin.armlinux.org.uk> > Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > > The ARM2 data book says: > > > > 'In the case of post-indexed addressing, the write back bit is > > redundant, since the old base value can be retained by setting the > > offset to zero.' > > > > Hence, when specifing an offset of zero, since no writeback is > > performed, the result is predictable. However, the question now is, > > does this apply to the later processors? Have ARM updated their ARM > > to include this? Did they purposely remove this? Or what? > > I don't read the above quote as > > "if the offset is 0, no writeback is performed", > > rather as > > "since 0 is added, it's as if no writeback had taken place". Agreed. I've now had confirmation from ARM Ltd that LDRT Rm, [Rm] results in UNPREDICTABLE behaviour. So it appears that binutils is correct and we should fix the kernel. > IMHO egcs really ought to produce 'ldrbt r6,[r6,#0]' instead of > 'ldrbt r6,[r6],#0'. That would be even worse; it's not a legal instruction. There is no pre-indexed version of LDRT. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Mar 12 01:44:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA559350 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:44:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09470 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:44:18 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009467; Fri, 12 Mar 99 01:44:14 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26914 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15472-24471>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:43:59 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <157674-212>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:52 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157672-215>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:46 -0500 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]:4213 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <157389-212>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:27 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10LG2V-0000WM-0A; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:42:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01188; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:33:14 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:33:14 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicolas Pitre cc: "Chagas, Jason" , "'christophe.leroy5@capway.com'" , "'linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu'" Subject: Re: Brutus Linux v2.0.35 hangs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Lines: 11 > Mmm.. The patch was on Philip's previous FTP site before he switched over > to netwinder.org. Of course I don't remember what it was. Probably vger.rutgers.edu. I think Jason said he'd looked there, and I have a feeling I deleted the old files to avoid confusing people. I didn't realise they were still useful; sorry. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Mar 12 01:44:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA556042 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:44:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09475 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:44:48 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009473; Fri, 12 Mar 99 01:44:34 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26914 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15415-20932>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:44:18 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <157584-215>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:52 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157658-215>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:44 -0500 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]:4174 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <157672-212>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:19 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10LG2P-0000VK-0A; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:42:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01272; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:26:28 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:26:28 +0000 (UTC) From: To: christophe leroy cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: elf gdb and arm In-Reply-To: <36E6BFCC.16281FF1@capway.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Lines: 12 > If not, do I simply need to replace bfd subtree of gdb-4.17 by > bfd subtree of binutils-2.9.1.0.19a, or is there other things to care > about ? There's a little more to it than that. I think David Welton from the Debian group was close to having this going. Scott is the other obvious person to talk to but he seems kind of busy right now. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Mar 11 15:55:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA543105 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:55:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07601 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:55:43 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007599; Thu, 11 Mar 99 15:55:38 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28170 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16010-4581>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:34:57 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160592-215>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:09:26 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <160590-212>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:09:17 -0500 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]:4533 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <160598-215>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:08:55 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10L597-00012e-0A; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:05:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA00585; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:13:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:13:33 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicholas Clark cc: atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: egcs 1.1.1 assembler output for 2.2. kernel compilation. In-Reply-To: <199903111211.MAA27758@flirble.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 974 Lines: 26 On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Nicholas Clark wrote: > In the last mail pb@nexus.co.uk said: > > > Agreed. I've now had confirmation from ARM Ltd that LDRT Rm, [Rm] results > > in UNPREDICTABLE behaviour. So it appears that binutils is correct and we > > should fix the kernel. > > Whoa - that's not actually the culprit, is it? Yes. The LDRT is generated by an inline asm. Those asms need to be given constraints to tell the compiler that the input and output regs mustn't overlap. GCC itself never open codes an LDRT. > code was generated with gcc -S and the same command line. I think I > know why the problem may not have been noticed before - with gcc -O2 > -S I discover that all the LDRTs are optimised so that Rm never equals > Rn. (One is usually ip or lr, but not quite always) That may well be the case by chance at the moment but there's nothing to guarantee it will always hold. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Mar 12 23:40:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA572847 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:40:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14153 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:40:30 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014151; Fri, 12 Mar 99 23:40:27 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13338 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <12945-30945>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:39:41 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160668-212>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:41:48 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <161192-215>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:41:44 -0500 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:54920 "EHLO post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <161184-215>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:40:11 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10LaYc-00009L-0K; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:37:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA00659; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:36:48 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:36:48 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Peter Danielsson cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, Sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: elf login In-Reply-To: <36E8C675.FDAFA773@era-t.ericsson.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 17 On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Peter Danielsson wrote: > I wrote a small test application that tries to read one entry from > the passwdfile (using getpwnam("root")) but it fails(returns NULL). > The extisting a.out login works fine which makes me believe there > is a bug in glibc. Is this the case, or am I plain stupid and forgets > something? I think people have successfully built systems based entirely on ELF and glibc now (RedHat, Debian, Titan, ...). It's possible there is a bug in getpwnam but it doesn't seem all that likely. Did you look with strace to see what was going on? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Mar 13 00:27:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA572541 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:27:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14365 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:27:30 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014363; Sat, 13 Mar 99 00:27:04 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32371 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <2831-30945>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:26:42 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160806-212>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:23:07 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <161382-212>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:22:48 -0500 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:4666 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <168213-215>; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:18:49 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Lb9w-000Lpe-0C; Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:16:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00774; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:10:31 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicholas Clark cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: StrongARM cards in RiscPC In-Reply-To: <199903121814.SAA07220@flirble.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 2255 Lines: 50 On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Nicholas Clark wrote: > However, I don't understand what the sa110 changes are in order to propagate > them into proc-arm6,7.S, and remove the offending: > > teq r0, #0 > moveq r0, #DOM_KERNELDOMAIN > movne r0, #DOM_USERDOMAIN The domain word is now stored directly in the tss. You should just be able to copy the code from proc-sa110.S. Sorry about that; the ARM6/7 stuff must have slipped through my exhaustive test procedures. :-) > However, I'm not sure why I need to get the MMU stuff for an ARM7 when I have > a StrongARM in my RiscPC. It's so small that it's not worth taking it out. You'd only save a few hundred bytes and the code would become more complicated as a result. > What architecture are you compiling for? [RiscPC here] > What is the minimum CPU required to run? [eg ARM6 or StrongARM] > Tune for which CPU? The objective is to have the minimum number of options. As things stand now if you ask for a RiscPC kernel you know it will work on any RiscPC with any processor. Adding the "minimum CPU required" thing would break this, and as I said above I don't think it buys much. > Currently it seems that both PhilB and Russell's work arounds to cope with > *****y Acorn's card basically generate ARM7 kernels. Am I missing much > performance not getting the armv4 instructions? > > (Can gcc already do -march=armv4 with another -m to stop LDRH/STRH?) No, there is no way to turn off halfword operations without other ARMv4 instructions. It would be possible to add a new -mbroken-like-acorn option to do this but again the gain is so small that it doesn't seem worth adding to the proliferation of compiler switches we already have. I would be very surprised if you can even measure the performance difference between a kernel with long multiplies and one without. If you're at the stage where you're worried about performance to the extent that every last cycle counts, then firstly you should seriously consider upgrading your cpu in any case, and secondly there are plenty of places in the kernel and GCC where there is the opportunity to save far more time than you'd typically gain from long multiplies. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Mar 14 04:43:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA545742 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:43:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21356 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:43:14 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021354; Sun, 14 Mar 99 04:42:57 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6739 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16086-9128>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:42:04 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160545-215>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:40:08 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <160499-212>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:34:08 -0500 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:1334 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <160193-212>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:18:09 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10M1Na-000D7D-0C; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01889; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:35:42 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:35:41 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicholas Clark cc: Paul Koning , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: egcs 1.1.1 assembler output for 2.2. kernel compilation. In-Reply-To: <199903131208.MAA22996@flirble.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 747 Lines: 19 > So is this the correct patch I've attached? > (Still can't boot 2.2.2 :-( ) > > Nick > > --- include/asm-arm/proc-armv/uaccess.h~ Fri Mar 12 17:10:47 1999 > +++ include/asm-arm/proc-armv/uaccess.h Sat Mar 13 00:36:56 1999 > @@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ > " .align 3\n" \ > " .long 1b, 3b\n" \ > " .previous" \ > - : "=r" (err), "=r" (x) \ > + : "=r" (err), "=&r" (x) \ Looks pretty good to me. Does it remove the warnings you were seeing? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Mar 14 04:35:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA614275 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:35:15 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21320 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:35:14 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021317; Sun, 14 Mar 99 04:35:06 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:23104 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15491-14868>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 05:34:46 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160005-215>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:33:56 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157471-212>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:27:44 -0500 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]:1445 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <160197-212>; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:18:18 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10M1Nj-0005T9-0A; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:16:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01937; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:07:34 GMT From: pb@nexus.co.uk X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: pb@nexus.co.uk To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: flafosse@cybercable.fr, nick@flirble.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Again toolchain building problems In-Reply-To: <199903131630.QAA01926@raistlin.armlinux.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 914 Lines: 24 On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > e-Fred writes: > > for all configure commands, I'm using a syntax like this in my case > > (native tool chain) > > > > ./configure arm-linux --prefix=/usr > > > > binutils compilation proceed and link without errors, using the initial > > GCC and binutils from armlinux distrib. (a.out format) good ! > > The binutils should not have overwritten your a.out binutils. The ELF > stuff should be named arm-linux-as, arm-linux-ar, arm-linux-ld etc. This is only true for a cross toolset. Frederic configured for a native installation in which case the tools will indeed install as /usr/bin/as etc. I believe they should still go into /usr/arm-linux/bin/.. as well though, and conversely the a.out gcc should still be able to find its tools in /usr/arm-linuxaout/bin/. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Mar 14 14:50:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA621412 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:50:53 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24402 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:50:53 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024398; Sun, 14 Mar 99 14:50:22 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2849 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <15674-14868>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:50:02 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160075-212>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:51:22 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <157595-212>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:51:07 -0500 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]:3951 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <160073-212>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:48:05 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10MBDN-0009oy-0B; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:46:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02190; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:52:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:52:50 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Nicholas Clark cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: booting 2.2.2 kernels on RiscPC In-Reply-To: <199903132247.WAA04020@flirble.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Lines: 17 > I can't run screen - I get many many lines of "modprobe: Out of file handles" > and then a final message about no more ptys. Check that you are using major 2/3 pty devices, not the old major 4 ones. The modprobe thing is something I saw on one of my Intel boxes but I'm not sure why. Maybe an old version of modutils or something. > It also refused to load my ppp module. I think it's refusing to load all > modules. It may be because the 2.2.0 kernel needs it to load the Acorn FPE, > and it appears to be trying this for 2.2.2. Not sure. What goes wrong? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Mar 14 14:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA623187 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:51:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24414 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:51:22 +0100 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024410; Sun, 14 Mar 99 14:51:12 +0100 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13857 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <16228-14868>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:50:50 +0200 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu via listexpand id <160033-212>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:51:23 -0500 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <160029-212>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:51:11 -0500 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]:3870 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <160069-215>; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:48:01 -0500 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10MBDJ-0009pq-0B; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:45:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02194; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:55:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:55:51 +0000 (UTC) From: To: Simon Kilvington cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: A5000 help required... In-Reply-To: <36EAE15A.88545DBD@srkilvington.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm-outgoing Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 20 > the .19a binutils and > gcc 2.8.1. Will this be okay for compiling A5000 kernels or do I need > to use egcs? I'd recommend egcs or the Corel-patched gcc 2.8.1. > is there any possibility that I'll be able to get this working on an > A5000? Should be fine. > I'll have to get an ethernet card for my A5000, so what's the best one Ether1 and Ether3 both seem to work fine. I don't know if EtherH will work on the A5000. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From pb@nexus.co.uk Sun Mar 14 14:46:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA615381 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:46:53 +0100 (CET) From: pb@nexus.co.uk Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24368 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 14:46:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net(194.217.242.38) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024366; Sun, 14 Mar 99 14:46:43 +0100 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=nomad.nexus.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10MBDz-0002Ri-0A; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:46:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (pb@localhost) by nomad.nexus.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA02519; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:55:41 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.nexus.co.uk: pb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:55:41 +0000 (UTC) To: Matthew Wilcox cc: Melanie Rhianna Lewis , Arm Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Kernels, FPUs et al... In-Reply-To: <19990314114956.I24922@mencheca.ch.genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 710 Lines: 16 > > Incidentally I now have SuSE 6.0 running on other machines and they tell > > me that egcs (the default compiler) isn't ready for compiling 2.0 kernels. > > Is this true? > > Not exactly. egcs fixed some of the things that were broken in gcc that > the kernel depended on being broken. The 2.1 kernel development fixed > these problems, but no-one wanted to do the same to 2.0. There is a web > page somewhere where someone is collecting patches but I'd be loathe to > trust it. For 2.0 use gcc 2.7.2.N. This is mostly only true for x86 anyway. Other platforms don't tend to have the same problems with 2.0 kernels and new compilers; the bugs were due to faulty inline asms in the i386 headers. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 07:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18376 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:14:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10256 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:14:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010254; Tue, 1 Sep 98 07:14:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:347 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7004-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:14:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155145-17700>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:25:16 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:4352 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154771-17700>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:00:58 -0400 Received: From ring17 With LocalMail ; Tue, 1 Sep 98 10:02:03 +1000 From: "Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins" To: Paul Koning Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:02:03 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: awiggins@ring17.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Q: Tools to help port to new hardware platform In-Reply-To: <199808311543.LAA18290@tonga.xedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 321 Status: RO Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 30 On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Dave Gilbert wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins wrote: > > > > > > > Would an angel interface to gdb be worthwhile? We are interested > > > > in doing a open source host interface to the angel debug monitor and i'm > > > > just wondering how to go about it. > > > > > > Personally I would regard an open-source ARM monitor as a more worthwhile > > > pursuit. > > Since I've never been able to get angel to do ANYTHING on my ebsa-285 > (at least, it has never successfully downloaded anything via either > the angelboot utility or the SDK) I would agree with Dave. Anything > else is bound to be better. > > Does anyone have an EBSA-285 flash-able TFTP loader? Have you tried looking at PMON? It's supposed to be relitively easy to port to a new platform. Cheers Adam > > paul > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 07:10:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18351 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA10251 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:10:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010249; Tue, 1 Sep 98 07:10:03 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28933 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6193-8729> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:09:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154971-17700>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:55:14 -0400 Received: from mty-egw2.avantel.com.mx ([200.33.230.5]:4239 "EHLO mty-egw2.avantel.com.mx" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154890-17700> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:58:56 -0400 Received: from mty-igw2.avantel.com.mx (root@localhost) by mty-egw2.avantel.com.mx with ESMTP id VAA20853 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:00:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mtymail.avantel.com.mx (mtymsfco01.icom.avantel.com.mx [172.24.2.4]) by mty-igw2.avantel.com.mx with SMTP id VAA20847 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:00:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mtymail.avantel.com.mx with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDD522.92393930@mtymail.avantel.com.mx>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:01:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jesus Eugenio Sanchez Subject: Hercules Terminator/64 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:00:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id HAA18351 X-Keywords: X-UID: 320 Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 10 Anybody has had any success with the Hercules Terminator 64 video card? I'm planning to buy one for my CATS board... ---- Jesús Eugenio Sánchez Peña (eugenio.sanchez@avantel.com.mx) Avantel, S.A. x5868, v273-5868, (8) 153-5868 Bíper: 01-800-112-4737 cve. 8303075 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 08:50:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20081 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:50:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA10408 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:50:54 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010406; Tue, 1 Sep 98 08:50:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30737 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6274-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:49:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154028-17700>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:38:37 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:27174 "EHLO funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154777-17700>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:25:03 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wpr7-98073117) with SMTP id MAA09818 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:28:44 +0900 Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:30:47 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: sa1100-linux-mailing list is active? Message-Id: <35EB6A67271.8E22HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.14 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 322 Status: RO Content-Length: 319 Lines: 10 Hi, sa1100-linux mailing list is active now? Nobody send to it's mailing list. Or, Nobody know it's mailing list?. -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 21:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15424 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:49:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA12192 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:49:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012190; Tue, 1 Sep 98 21:49:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22020 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8176-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:45:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154921-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:36:13 -0400 Received: from BayArea56k472.NetWiz.Net ([208.164.208.72]:63646 "EHLO redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155137-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:45:52 -0400 Received: (from ansel@localhost) by redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20729; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:50:40 -0700 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Minimal ARM-Linux board? From: Ansel Sermersheim Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:20:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 336 Status: RO Content-Length: 779 Lines: 18 I'm interested in finding out what the minimal configuration is that ARM-Linux can cope with. I envision something with just a CPU, some ram, serial ports, and a hard drive controller on a breadboard. I recall conversing with someone who had done this. Is there anyone out there who can give me any leads on how hard this would be to do? I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty. (Eventually, I'd like to be able to make a wearable computer out of the ARM; its power requirements are wonderful compared to Intel chips.) Thanks, -Ansel -- GCS/CM/IT d- s+:-- a--- C++++ UL++++>$ V? P+++ L++(++++) E++ W+ N++ w--- M-- PS++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++(*) 5+++ X+ R tv b++++ DI++++ D---(+) G++ e*>++ h!>++ r--- y? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 15:05:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01542 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:05:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA11331 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:05:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011317; Tue, 1 Sep 98 15:04:55 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24678 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7024-10431>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:50:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154605-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 06:14:12 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:10363 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154874-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:33:17 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zDoRw-00010w-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:18:12 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zDoRv-0006Rq-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:18:11 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: glibc-2.0.95-arm-bin.tar.bz2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:18:11 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 323 Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 9 I've put this file in ftp.linux.org.uk:/pub/armlinux/incoming. It's (hopefully) a complete glibc 2.0.95 ELF runtime library set, for the benefit of people who might want to run precompiled ELF binaries without having to build libc themselves. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 17:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11116 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA11741 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:53:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa11728; Tue, 1 Sep 98 17:53:05 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57670 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7121-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:58:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154626-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:26:15 -0400 Received: from Stratus.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.6]:35064 "EHLO Stratus.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154976-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 07:54:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Stratus.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA09785 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:59:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Stratus.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Angel v1.00 --> v1.02 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 324 Status: RO Content-Length: 810 Lines: 27 Hi! This is a question to Angel experts... In Brutus' Linux code, there is this at the beginning of head32.S : @ need to enter SVC mode #define angel_SWIreason_EnterSVC 0x17 /* from arm.h, in angel source */ #define angel_SWI_ARM (0xEF123456 & 0xffffff) mov r0, #angel_SWIreason_EnterSVC swi #angel_SWI_ARM @ turn off interrupts to prevent the angel from running mrs r0, cpsr orr r0, r0, #0xc0 msr cpsr, r0 This works with Angel 1.00 but doesn't with Angel 1.02. It it because the two defines must be changed for Angel 1.02? If so, does someone knows what they should be? Thanks! Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 22:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15793 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA12235 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:11:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012233; Tue, 1 Sep 98 22:11:00 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22020 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6132-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:08:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155142-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1970 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154986-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:13:49 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA31206; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:19:05 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA30064; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:12:10 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00421; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:14:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199809011814.TAA00421@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: memory mapping To: m.j.s.vandoesburg@student.utwente.nl (Mark van Doesburg) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:14:14 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19980831220325Z154614-17700+2979@vger.rutgers.edu> from "Mark van Doesburg" at Aug 31, 98 11:25:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 Status: RO Content-Length: 2417 Lines: 50 Mark van Doesburg writes: > I am a little confused about the memory mapping for the ebsa-285. The > kernel is mapped at 0xc0000000, all memory mapped I/O is above that > adres. Is there a reason the kernel is not mapped on its physical > address ? There is no segmentation of the memory space. Hence, if you want the kernel to be located at 0x10000000 (the SDRAM physical address), all user binaries will be limited to 0x00008000 to 0x10000000, ie 250MB. > The problem is that i need access to all the PCI memory space (4GB), > therfore i would need to map the 2GB the 21285 has reserved for this > somewhere. Do you have a device that provides 2GB of memory at one time? I'd think that this is unlikely, and that you probably have a set of cards. The resulting PCI usage will generally be quite sparse. Therefore, you should be able to get away with mapping the areas that contain useful information only. > Can anyone tell if i can just do a ioremap and expect things to work. > If not, why not, and more important what can i do about it ? ioremap is not currently implemented on ARM yet, but it is in my pipeline of things to do. If you want to code it, please look at what the i386 one does and send the relevent (tested) patches to my patch system. > I've already registered another architecture to do all of this, since > the virt_to_bus and bus_to_virt would be different for my board. Are they significantly different? > Finally, i would like to know how the user process sees the memory > space. Does the kernel appear in a non accessable part of the memory, > and if so, where does it appear ? You've already mentioned it! The kernel appears at 0xc0000000 in all current machines. I would prefer that the memory structure is identical across all machines, especially the user-space, to guarantee binary compatability. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 22:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16275 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:48:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA12289 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:48:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012287; Tue, 1 Sep 98 22:48:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26416 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6628-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:47:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154534-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:03:25 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1705 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155250-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:48:08 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA00091; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:53:38 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA30073; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:15:35 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00435; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:17:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199809011817.TAA00435@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: sa1100-linux-mailing list is active? To: hiroshi@funai-tky.co.jp (Hiroshi Ishii) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:17:39 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <35EB6A67271.8E22HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> from "Hiroshi Ishii" at Sep 1, 98 12:30:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 327 Status: RO Content-Length: 1178 Lines: 24 Hiroshi Ishii writes: > sa1100-linux mailing list is active now? > Nobody send to it's mailing list. Or, Nobody > know it's mailing list?. Another mailing list? ARM Linux currently has 3 mailing lists in existance at the moment, 2 of which are very quiet and not really needed. ;( _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 1 22:41:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16193 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:41:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA12280 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:41:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012278; Tue, 1 Sep 98 22:41:23 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17458 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6434-8729>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:39:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155141-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:03:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1960 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154974-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:13:37 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA31199; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:18:59 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA30078; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:16:32 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00444; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:18:36 +0100 Message-Id: <199809011818.TAA00444@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: glibc-2.0.95-arm-bin.tar.bz2 To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:18:36 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Sep 1, 98 12:18:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 326 Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 16 Philip Blundell writes: > I've put this file in ftp.linux.org.uk:/pub/armlinux/incoming. It's > (hopefully) a complete glibc 2.0.95 ELF runtime library set, for the benefit > of people who might want to run precompiled ELF binaries without having to > build libc themselves. I'll move it into /pub/armlinux/people/phil. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 00:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18781 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA12521 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:33:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012519; Wed, 2 Sep 98 00:33:22 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38709 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6616-27910>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:30:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154505-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:22:04 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:54209 "HELO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <155039-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:05:08 -0400 Received: from (tardis.home.dave) [194.222.210.232] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zDwle-0002tL-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:11:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:10:43 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Ansel Sermersheim cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 328 Status: RO Content-Length: 1001 Lines: 22 On 31 Aug 1998, Ansel Sermersheim wrote: > I'm interested in finding out what the minimal configuration is that > ARM-Linux can cope with. I envision something with just a CPU, some > ram, serial ports, and a hard drive controller on a breadboard. I thought you said minimal :-) CPU, RAM, a ROM to boot from and preferably a file system; be it in ROM, battery-backed RAM, or PCMCIA card or network connection what have you. > (Eventually, I'd like to be able to make a wearable computer out of > the ARM; its power requirements are wonderful compared to Intel > chips.) I suggest you look at the SA-1100 or the ARM7110 (?). Dave > -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha(LX) | Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | & ARM(EBSA285,old Arc) | In Hex / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 00:38:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18853 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA12526 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:38:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012524; Wed, 2 Sep 98 00:38:46 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47713 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9048-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:35:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155113-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:23:40 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1508 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <155034-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:41:07 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zDxCR-0002H3-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:38:47 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ansel Sermersheim cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? In-reply-to: Your message of "31 Aug 1998 21:20:17 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:38:47 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 329 Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 12 >I'm interested in finding out what the minimal configuration is that >ARM-Linux can cope with. I envision something with just a CPU, some >ram, serial ports, and a hard drive controller on a breadboard. Well, theoretically just a CPU, some RAM and some way to get the kernel there is all you need -- but it would be hard to make it *do* very much. It all depends what you're trying to achieve. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 01:34:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19871 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:34:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA12608 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 01:34:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012606; Wed, 2 Sep 98 01:34:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62790 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8500-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:33:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154559-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:48:54 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:4306 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154573-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:33:38 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id XAA00230 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:39:43 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA26821 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:37:18 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id XAA00234 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:37:17 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:37:17 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809012137.XAA00234@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980901212510Z154559-17700+4373@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: X-UID: 330 Status: RO Content-Length: 3028 Lines: 69 There is no segmentation of the memory space. Hence, if you want the kernel to be located at 0x10000000 (the SDRAM physical address), all user binaries will be limited to 0x00008000 to 0x10000000, ie 250MB. OK, understood. (btw the 21285 maps SDRAM to 0x0) Do you have a device that provides 2GB of memory at one time? I'd think that this is unlikely, and that you probably have a set of cards. The resulting PCI usage will generally be quite sparse. Therefore, you should be able to get away with mapping the areas that contain useful information only. Well, the prototype would probably have 256MB in the host and 8*64 on the 8 sa co-processors. This would mean 768MB, however this is all mapped in PCI space by the bios on the host, which means i have no control over it. Most PC bioses would map the RAM of the host on the lower 256MB in PCI space and would map the PCI cards growing downward from the 4GB top. ioremap is not currently implemented on ARM yet, but it is in my pipeline of things to do. If you want to code it, please look at what the i386 one does and send the relevent (tested) patches to my patch system. If i write patches that might be usefull i will mail them to your patch system. (The 21285 serial driver is still untested and will be for some time i'm afraid) > I've already registered another architecture to do all of this, since > the virt_to_bus and bus_to_virt would be different for my board. Are they significantly different? The ebsa-285 assumes the SDRAM is mapped at a fixed location in PCI space. This certainly won't be the case when the ebsa-285 is used as a co-processor since it is mapped by the host. The bus_to_virt and virt_to_bus functions would have to read the SDRAM base address registers from the PCI configuration space. This would probably work just as well on the current ebsa-285 arch. Another reason for the new arch is that i want to have an easy way to give the kernel parameters. I also want the reboot/halt code to restart the ebsa-285 in a way so i can load a new kernel without rebooting the host. > Finally, i would like to know how the user process sees the memory > space. Does the kernel appear in a non accessable part of the memory, > and if so, where does it appear ? You've already mentioned it! The kernel appears at 0xc0000000 in all current machines. I would prefer that the memory structure is identical across all machines, especially the user-space, to guarantee binary compatability. I agree, i don't want this system to be different. Loading the kernel at 0x60000000 would solve my memory problems. This would give me access to all the memory/io the 21285 can have (including the 4GB PCI memory space). It would still leave 1.5GB for user binaries. Would this be compatible ? Would this 1.5GB be per process or for all processes together ? (Is the MMU register reloaded on a task switch ?) Thank for your explanation, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 02:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA20701 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:36:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA12706 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 02:36:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012704; Wed, 2 Sep 98 02:36:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57909 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8598-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:34:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155047-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:15:09 -0400 Received: from hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.101]:57782 "EHLO jess.gla.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155228-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.18]) by jess.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #1) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zDz6Z-0005lq-00; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:40:51 +0100 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00290 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:40:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:40:49 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 335 Status: RO Content-Length: 892 Lines: 25 On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > >I'm interested in finding out what the minimal configuration is that > >ARM-Linux can cope with. I envision something with just a CPU, some > >ram, serial ports, and a hard drive controller on a breadboard. > > Well, theoretically just a CPU, some RAM and some way to get the kernel there > is all you need -- but it would be hard to make it *do* very much. It all > depends what you're trying to achieve. One dumb question. Breadboards are, by and large, DIL. Where on earth do you get a breadboard that can actually physically accomodate an ARM??? If you can get one cheap, I want it. :) > p. > > > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > -- James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 04:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA22138 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:20:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA12858 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:20:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012856; Wed, 2 Sep 98 04:20:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34144 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8533-27910>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:18:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154161-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:57:48 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:10803 "EHLO funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154194-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:47:29 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wpr7-98073117) with SMTP id JAA19667 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:55:13 +0900 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:57:15 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: sa1100-linux-mailing list is active? In-Reply-To: <199809011817.TAA00435@raistlin.armlinux.org> References: <35EB6A67271.8E22HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> <199809011817.TAA00435@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-Id: <35EC97EB121.2BD6HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.14 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 331 Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 26 On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:17:39 +0100 (BST) Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Hiroshi Ishii writes: > > sa1100-linux mailing list is active now? > > Nobody send to it's mailing list. Or, Nobody > > know it's mailing list?. > > Another mailing list? -Deborah Wallach wrote one week ago; >We've gotten enough questions about Brutus (theSA-1100 >based evaluation board) version of Linux that we've decided to >create a sub-mailing list about it. To subscribe to it send email to >sa1100-linux-request@pa.dec.com>with the word 'subscribe' in >the body of the message. But nobody send to it. -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 04:28:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA22236 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:28:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA12874 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:28:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012872; Wed, 2 Sep 98 04:28:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50466 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7043-27910>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:26:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154179-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:58:16 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:10993 "EHLO funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154209-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:50:40 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wpr7-98073117) with SMTP id JAA19700 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:58:23 +0900 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:00:25 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Angel v1.00 --> v1.02 In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <35EC98A916B.2BD7HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.14 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 332 Status: RO Content-Length: 1073 Lines: 33 On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Nicolas Pitre wrote: > Hi! This is a question to Angel experts... > > In Brutus' Linux code, there is this at the beginning of head32.S : > > @ need to enter SVC mode > #define angel_SWIreason_EnterSVC 0x17 /* from arm.h, in angel source */ > #define angel_SWI_ARM (0xEF123456 & 0xffffff) > mov r0, #angel_SWIreason_EnterSVC > swi #angel_SWI_ARM > > @ turn off interrupts to prevent the angel from running > mrs r0, cpsr > orr r0, r0, #0xc0 > msr cpsr, r0 > > This works with Angel 1.00 but doesn't with Angel 1.02. It it because the > two defines must be changed for Angel 1.02? If so, does someone knows > what they should be? > > Thanks! > I think it seems to good two defines you pointed out. -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 06:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23512 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:00:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13005 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:00:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013002; Wed, 2 Sep 98 06:00:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64048 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6574-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:58:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154203-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:57:17 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:3404 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <153870-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:37:03 -0400 Received: From nile With LocalMail ; Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:37:51 +1000 From: "Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins" To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:37:51 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: awiggins@nile.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: Hiroshi Ishii , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: sa1100-linux-mailing list is active? In-Reply-To: <199809011817.TAA00435@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 334 Status: RO Content-Length: 1816 Lines: 40 On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Hiroshi Ishii writes: > > sa1100-linux mailing list is active now? > > Nobody send to it's mailing list. Or, Nobody > > know it's mailing list?. > > Another mailing list? SA-1100 was started by the itsy ppl to handle all the questions they were getting about the brutus evaluation board. Also if anyone is interested the PLEB Group (http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~pleb) is starting up a monitor for Brutus/PLEB (our own hardware) based on the PMON LSI Logic monitor. It will provide a debugging monitor with the ability to commit images to flash and boot flash images as well as support remote gdb bugging. Cheers Adam > > ARM Linux currently has 3 mailing lists in existance at the moment, 2 of > which are very quiet and not really needed. ;( > _____ > |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- > | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- > | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | > | +-+-+ --- -+- > / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ > / | | | --- | > +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | > --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- > Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer > messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages > Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 06:00:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA23513 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:00:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA13006 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:00:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa13002; Wed, 2 Sep 98 06:00:16 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64048 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6827-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:59:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154206-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:57:58 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:3431 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154269-17700>; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:40:35 -0400 Received: From nile With LocalMail ; Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:43:55 +1000 From: "Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins" To: Hiroshi Ishii Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:43:49 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: awiggins@nile.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: sa1100-linux-mailing list is active? In-Reply-To: <35EC97EB121.2BD6HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 333 Status: RO Content-Length: 1147 Lines: 35 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Hiroshi Ishii wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:17:39 +0100 (BST) > Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > > Hiroshi Ishii writes: > > > sa1100-linux mailing list is active now? > > > Nobody send to it's mailing list. Or, Nobody > > > know it's mailing list?. > > > > Another mailing list? > > -Deborah Wallach wrote one week ago; > > >We've gotten enough questions about Brutus (theSA-1100 > >based evaluation board) version of Linux that we've decided to > >create a sub-mailing list about it. To subscribe to it send email to > >sa1100-linux-request@pa.dec.com>with the word 'subscribe' in > >the body of the message. > > But nobody send to it. > I did :) But i don't think it was active at the time. Deborah has now mailed to the ppl on the list to generate some activity. Cheers Adam > > -------------------------------------- > Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD > -Hiroshi Ishii > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 11:54:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02881 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13681 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:54:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013678; Wed, 2 Sep 98 11:54:29 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35344 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6305-27910>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:49:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154111-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:16:47 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:59010 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154152-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:08:17 -0400 Received: from treblig.org by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id KAA10930; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:17:40 +0100 Message-ID: <35ED0C95.7B94853C@treblig.org> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:15:01 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 337 Status: RO Content-Length: 896 Lines: 21 James Craig wrote: > One dumb question. Breadboards are, by and large, DIL. Where on earth do > you get a breadboard that can actually physically accomodate an ARM??? > If you can get one cheap, I want it. :) I've seen a couple of times little PCB's padded out for an ARM taken to 0.1 spaced pins (albeit in a patttern unsuitable for a breadboard); a similar little PCB would do the trick. ....Then you just need someone very good with solderpaste.... Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 12:02:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03067 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:01:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA13716 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:01:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013714; Wed, 2 Sep 98 12:01:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35344 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6486-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:55:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154070-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:33:25 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:18368 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154143-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:22:11 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zE95h-00022l-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:20:37 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zE95g-0007FQ-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:20:36 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:37:17 +0200." <19980901212510Z154559-17700+4373@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:20:36 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 339 Status: RO Content-Length: 1649 Lines: 35 >The ebsa-285 assumes the SDRAM is mapped at a fixed location in PCI >space. This certainly won't be the case when the ebsa-285 is used as a This needs to be fixed anyway. Basically we need to read the bit from the 21285 that tells it whether or not to be the PCI "central function", and if not avoid doing all the PCI config stuff. Then __virt_to_bus() and so on need to be taught that the offset might not be constant. I think the overhead is small enough we can ignore it but you could always make it a config option if people were that worried. >Loading the kernel at 0x60000000 would solve my memory problems. This >would give me access to all the memory/io the 21285 can have (including >the 4GB PCI memory space). It would still leave 1.5GB for user binaries. > >Would this be compatible ? It would be compatible for user processes. It doesn't all that much matter where the kernel is loaded across different architectures so you could change it if you really wanted to. No matter where you map the kernel you aren't going to be able to get at the whole of the 4GB PCI memory space. I would have thought the best thing to do would be to leave the kernel where it is and ioremap() memory in as and when you want it rather than trying to always map the whole lot at once. >Would this 1.5GB be per process or for all processes together ? (Is the >MMU register reloaded on a task switch ?) It's per process, and yes. This is why context switches are so slow on the ARM; we need to flush the cache because the memory mappings have changed. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 11:54:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02882 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:54:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA13682 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:54:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa13678; Wed, 2 Sep 98 11:54:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35344 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6978-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:49:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154063-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:33:13 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:4962 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154150-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 03:25:00 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:32:46 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.196.145] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:32:42 0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:27:37 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp Message-ID: Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 338 Status: RO Content-Length: 2830 Lines: 57 In message <35EA437F.680880D6@genedata.com> Matthew Wilcox wrote: > Chris Sawer wrote: > > > > > > So it looks like it's the `limited process size with a.out systems' > > > > bug. I looked at the FAQ and through a mailing list archive and it > > > > looks pretty horrendous to fix. Do I really have to recompile gcc in > > > > order to build a large program? I'm willing to have a go when I've > > > > got some spare time but isn't there a precompiled elf version around > > > > (the one on the ftp site is a.out)? > > > > > You don't actually need to rebuild gcc; it is sufficient to build a > > > static linker. To do this, you will require the binutils source code. > > > > I'm fairly new to all this compiling, and I couldn't find anything > > terribly helpful documentation-wise in the binutils source code. Is this > > elf format in the alpha stages of development at the moment, as there > > isn't even a precompiled compiler in it? If so, does anyone know when > > it's likely to be released so we can compile medium-large sized programs > > (the Gimp, Lesstif, Mozilla, etc.). I'm not in a huge hurry for the Gimp, > > but I would like to get it working in the not too distant future. > > ELF on the ARM is indeed in development and it's probably wisest not to > build it unless you're fairly competent. However, building a static a.out > ld should be a matter of typing `./configure --target=arm-linux-gnuaout > --static' in the binutils directory, followed by `make'. Um, I appear to > not have binutils source to hand right now, so I can't check the --static > is correct - try `./configure --help' to confirm it. OK, I've downloaded the latest 2.9.1 binutils archive, and think I've managed to compile it. It has put its binaries in /usr/local/arm-linux-gnuaout/ including ld. Recompiling the gimp uses the old ld in /usr/bin/ and throws up the out of memory error message following this line: gcc -g -O2 -Wall -o gimp ../libgimp/libgimpi.a -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lglib -lXext -lX11 -lm Replacing this with the equivalent ld command: ld -o gimp ../libgimp/libgimpi.a -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lglib -lXext -lX11 -lm gives exactly the same error message when using the ld in /usr/bin/. Using the /usr/local/arm-linux-gnuaout/ld, however, it throws up the error "file not recognized: File format not recognized". Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks for all your help so far, and hopefully we can get this working. Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 13:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04770 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:28:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA13919 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:28:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013917; Wed, 2 Sep 98 13:28:44 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19561 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6884-16808>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:15:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153899-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:00:29 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:49057 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154098-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:39:16 -0400 Received: from [158.152.18.182] (helo=picard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEARC-0005ld-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:46:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:26:09 +0100 (BST) From: Hugo Fiennes Reply-To: Hugo Fiennes Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Serial Port X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.50] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 341 Status: RO Content-Length: 1863 Lines: 36 On Tue 01 Sep, James Craig wrote: > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > > >I'm interested in finding out what the minimal configuration is that > > >ARM-Linux can cope with. I envision something with just a CPU, some > > >ram, serial ports, and a hard drive controller on a breadboard. > > > > Well, theoretically just a CPU, some RAM and some way to get the kernel there > > is all you need -- but it would be hard to make it *do* very much. It all > > depends what you're trying to achieve. > One dumb question. Breadboards are, by and large, DIL. Where on earth do > you get a breadboard that can actually physically accomodate an ARM??? > If you can get one cheap, I want it. :) At warwick uni I did an ARM7100, wirewrap. Admittedly, we had to make a PCB to get the 208 pin TQFP (.5mm pin spacing) out to 0.1" pingrid, and there was some interesting faffing to get a 72-pin SIMM socket onto 0.1" grid (it's 0.05" staggered), but it all worked (and still does). A while back I got 2.0.33 up on it: no hdd, but it has ethernet and so has NFS root (and no swap...). The 7100 is a 3.3v part, but is fine at 5v, which makes things easier! As for ease of use: it boots from an 8-bit ROM, has loads of I/O, 1 serial, and is glueless to DRAM and the ROM. See http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~altman/camera/ : if you want more techie details I can email you the .pdf of the project report, and if it's for something educational, I expect I could probably persuade warwick uni to part with one of the other '7100 mounting pcbs (they had about 5 made, but we only used one). You'll need some SMT gear to put the chip on, though, or be very brave. Hugo -- Disclaimer: "The contents of this albatross were measured by weight, not volume. Contents may have settled during transit." unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 14:00:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07150 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA13994 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:00:25 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013992; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:00:08 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35120 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6468-517>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:50:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154093-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:37:35 -0400 Received: from mail2.thefree.net ([195.34.192.5]:4253 "HELO mail2.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154111-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:36:30 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net [195.34.192.14] by mail2.thefree.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.04) id A319301D0160; Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:51:05 +0d00 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:43:25 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.23] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:43:24 0000 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:39:45 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp Message-ID: <75943f7f48%root@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <35EA437F.680880D6@genedata.com> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 342 Status: RO Content-Length: 553 Lines: 15 Re: my last message, I've now found another version of ld on my system, in /usr/local/bin/arm-linux-gnuaout.ld - which recognizes the binary format of the .o files, but crashes with the memory exhaused error! (even though it isn't - 12Mb free and 160Mb of swap free). Aaarrrggghhh! Any suggestions? Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 14:02:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07201 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:02:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14003 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:02:25 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014001; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:02:18 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2135 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6978-26503>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:59:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154093-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:51:19 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:59651 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154091-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 05:51:08 -0400 Received: from treblig.org by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id NAA11140; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:00:09 +0100 Message-ID: <35ED32AB.139A0036@treblig.org> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:57:31 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugo Fiennes , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 343 Status: RO Content-Length: 1677 Lines: 36 Hugo Fiennes wrote: > At warwick uni I did an ARM7100, wirewrap. Admittedly, we had to make a > PCB to get the 208 pin TQFP (.5mm pin spacing) out to 0.1" pingrid, > and there was some interesting faffing to get a 72-pin SIMM socket onto > 0.1" grid (it's 0.05" staggered), but it all worked (and still does). > A while back I got 2.0.33 up on it: no hdd, but it has ethernet and so has > NFS root (and no swap...). The 7100 is a 3.3v part, but is fine at 5v, > which makes things easier! As for ease of use: it boots from an 8-bit ROM, > has loads of I/O, 1 serial, and is glueless to DRAM and the ROM. How did you get hold of 1 ARM7100 ? I can imagine many companies being happy to supply a couple of thousand; but 1 is often difficult? > See http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~altman/camera/ : if you want more techie > details I can email you the .pdf of the project report, and if it's for > something educational, I expect I could probably persuade warwick uni to > part with one of the other '7100 mounting pcbs (they had about 5 made, > but we only used one). You'll need some SMT gear to put the chip on, though, > or be very brave. If you/Warwick are OK about copyright then it would be nice to put it on the web somewhere. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 14:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08705 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14087 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:26:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014084; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:26:41 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60004 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6307-26503>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:15:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154110-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:06:07 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:22619 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154134-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:04:56 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEBfC-0002JH-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:05:26 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEBfB-0008FW-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:05:25 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: David Alan Gilbert cc: Hugo Fiennes , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:57:31 BST." <35ED32AB.139A0036@treblig.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 13:05:24 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 345 Status: RO Content-Length: 428 Lines: 11 >How did you get hold of 1 ARM7100 ? I can imagine many companies being >happy to supply a couple of thousand; but 1 is often difficult? You can often get them just by asking distributors for samples. Sometimes you have to fib a bit and say that you're planning to buy a billion of them in a month's time or something but they usually oblige. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 14:26:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA08706 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:26:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA14088 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:26:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa14084; Wed, 2 Sep 98 14:26:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60004 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6985-26503>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:15:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154118-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:06:14 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:38759 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154105-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 06:04:51 -0400 Received: from [158.152.18.182] (helo=picard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEBm6-0007Az-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:41 +0100 (BST) From: Hugo Fiennes Reply-To: Hugo Fiennes Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <35ED0C95.7B94853C@treblig.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Serial Port X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.50] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 344 Status: RO Content-Length: 901 Lines: 22 On Wed 02 Sep, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > I've seen a couple of times little PCB's padded out for an ARM taken to > 0.1 spaced pins (albeit in a patttern unsuitable for a breadboard); > a similar little PCB would do the trick. (see my last message: the PCB we did expanded the pin layout to about 4" square, meaning the pins were logically arranged and far apart enough not to confuse too much :-) ). > ....Then you just need someone very good with solderpaste.... It can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and some soldering braid. Patrick just did this with a SA1100. Ok, so we had to spend 4 hours with a microscope afterwards checking the joints (no joke!) but it worked :-) Hugo -- Disclaimer: "The contents of this albatross were measured by weight, not volume. Contents may have settled during transit." unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 13:12:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04527 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA13878 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:12:55 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013876; Wed, 2 Sep 98 13:12:54 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18721 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6812-27910>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:57:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154063-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:36:11 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:2559 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153880-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 04:12:00 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id MAA10726 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:19:34 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA27596 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:18:19 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id OAA00247 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:18:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:18:18 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809021218.OAA00247@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980902084826Z154063-17700+5305@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: X-UID: 340 Status: RO Content-Length: 2852 Lines: 72 This needs to be fixed anyway. Basically we need to read the bit from the 21285 that tells it whether or not to be the PCI "central function", and if not avoid doing all the PCI config stuff. Then __virt_to_bus() and so on need to be taught that the offset might not be constant. I think the overhead is small enough we can ignore it but you could always make it a config option if people were that worried. OK, thats relatively easy to fix. It would be compatible for user processes. It doesn't all that much matter where the kernel is loaded across different architectures so you could change it if you really wanted to. Great ! This is really the answer i hoped for. No matter where you map the kernel you aren't going to be able to get at the whole of the 4GB PCI memory space. I would have thought the best thing to do would be to leave the kernel where it is and ioremap() memory in as and when you want it rather than trying to always map the whole lot at once. I assume you don't want to reserve memory below address 0xc0000000, that would seem verry messy to me. Not mapping below 0xc0000000 would not give me the memory area i need. I don't see why i wouldn't be able to accces the entire 4GB PCI memory space, consider the following memory mapping; 0x00000000 - 0x00007fff for catching NULL pointer access 0x00008000 - 0x5fffffff user code/data/stack 0x60000000 - 0x6fffffff SDRAM access for the kernel 0x70000000 - 0x7fffffff 21285 registers, PCI I/O, ... 0x80000000 - 0xffffffff PCI memory mapped I/O This would give me access to everything, all possible SDRAM, PCI I/O, PCI mem and all the 21285 registers. PCI memory may not be obvious but it really is accessible in a portable way with this mapping. In linux/Documentation/IO-mapping.txt the following is said; --- This memory is called "PCI memory" or "shared memory" or "IO memory" or whatever, and there is only one way to access it: the readb/writeb and related functions. You should never take the address of such memory, because there is really nothing you can do with such an address: it's not conceptually in the same memory space as "real memory" at all, so you cannot just dereference a pointer. --- The writeb and related functions should be able to toggle bit 15 in the PCI address extension register (offset 0x140). Note: ioremap would be really easy to write with this mapping. >Would this 1.5GB be per process or for all processes together ? >(Is the MMU register reloaded on a task switch ?) It's per process, and yes. This is why context switches are so slow on the ARM; we need to flush the cache because the memory mappings have changed. That's what i assumed, i just wanted to be sure. It seems like my problems are solved. p. Thanks, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 20:41:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24574 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA15786 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:40:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015784; Wed, 2 Sep 98 20:40:56 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38454 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6239-26503>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:39:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154022-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:12:43 -0400 Received: from hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.101]:53137 "EHLO jess.gla.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154065-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:08:07 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.18]) by jess.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #1) id 0zEHSa-0007Zu-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:16:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26212; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:16:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:16:46 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? In-Reply-To: <35ED0C95.7B94853C@treblig.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 346 Status: RO Content-Length: 1449 Lines: 35 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > James Craig wrote: > > > One dumb question. Breadboards are, by and large, DIL. Where on earth do > > you get a breadboard that can actually physically accomodate an ARM??? > > If you can get one cheap, I want it. :) > > I've seen a couple of times little PCB's padded out for an ARM taken to > 0.1 spaced pins (albeit in a patttern unsuitable for a breadboard); > a similar little PCB would do the trick. I've seen PLCC adapters that *do* give you a DIL socket but they're meant for fairly small numbers of pins - say a 28 pin EPROM. I could manage to solder/plug in the chip easy enough but I've never seen one big enough/sensibly enough sized compared to a normal breadboard to take an ARM. > ....Then you just need someone very good with solderpaste.... > I can do that. :) > Dave > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- > - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - > - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > -- James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 23:49:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27960 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:49:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA16176 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:49:57 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016174; Wed, 2 Sep 98 23:49:55 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52605 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7017-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:47:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154002-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:13:43 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1440 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154228-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:59:38 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA31909; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:08:59 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA31797; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:01:57 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA00459; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:03:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: devel@NetWinder.org Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:03:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <35ED53FF.D469F1E5@corelcomputer.com> from "Andrew E. Mileski" at Sep 2, 98 10:19:43 am X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 347 Status: RO Content-Length: 1802 Lines: 39 Andrew E. Mileski writes: > > As you've observed, code that relies on this is just plain wrong and needs to > > be fixed. You may be able to work around it by adding > > __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) to the structure definitions. > > As Philip said, the code is just plain wrong :P > > I had to hack RPM because it does I/O with structs. > I didn't bother using the packed attribute, as that > isn't portable either. > > The solution is to always read and write unsigned > chars, and then if you are really thorough, don't > assume bit order either. I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not accept any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that because everything else works, we ought to fall in line. He will not accept patches to rpm to change this because he wants the code to be readable, not functional. Sounds like he's too concerned about 'the readability of code' rather than the functionality of it. If you ask me, I think this is totally the wrong attitude. He also mentioned that he is not considering even attempting to do an ARM distribution because of the lack of market for such a port. I'm afraid that my opinions are changing, favouring maybe some other distribution like Debian now. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/aboutme.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 2 23:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28030 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:58:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA16188 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:58:57 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016186; Wed, 2 Sep 98 23:58:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30023 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6899-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:55:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154157-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:37:12 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1192 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154293-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:06:59 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA32186; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:16:23 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA32045; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:15:00 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00645; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:16:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199809022116.WAA00645@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: memory mapping To: m.j.s.vandoesburg@student.utwente.nl (Mark van Doesburg) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:16:53 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <19980901212510Z154559-17700+4373@vger.rutgers.edu> from "Mark van Doesburg" at Sep 1, 98 11:37:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 348 Status: RO Content-Length: 1670 Lines: 33 Mark van Doesburg writes: > I agree, i don't want this system to be different. > > Loading the kernel at 0x60000000 would solve my memory problems. This > would give me access to all the memory/io the 21285 can have (including > the 4GB PCI memory space). It would still leave 1.5GB for user binaries. The user space is not just a simple matter of one single binary image. User space is built up of multiple binary images - the user program and it's librarys, plus sysv ipc shm areas as well. Your suggestion is that we redefine the location of all of these, which IMHO is not a good idea. I am assuming that you're thinking about doing some sort of multi-processor Linux kernel on this machine, in which case have you considered all the issues to do with cache coherency? The StrongARM does not have any cache snooping like the Intel does, and this means that shared memory space is fraught with problems. Looking at the Intel code, it appears that they only map in the memory on an as and needed basis. I don't see that doing a similar thing will reduce performance, if it's done properly. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 00:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29155 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA16294 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:27:28 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16290; Thu, 3 Sep 98 00:27:08 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12389 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6274-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:25:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154171-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:05:11 -0400 Received: from clifford.livenet.net ([206.156.5.13]:4626 "EHLO clifford.livenet.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154168-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:46:18 -0400 Received: from livenet.net (kenny.livenet.net [206.156.29.199]) by clifford.livenet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13669; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EDBE55.C7B1E5F@livenet.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 17:53:25 -0400 From: Shaleh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King CC: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 350 Status: RO Content-Length: 431 Lines: 13 > > The solution is to always read and write unsigned > > chars, and then if you are really thorough, don't > > assume bit order either. How do you deal w/ functions that expect signed variables? Passing an unsigned char into something that expects an int or char gives me warnings in gcc et. al. -- ===== Linux, because I'd like to *get there* today unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 00:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29154 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA16293 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:27:28 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016290; Thu, 3 Sep 98 00:27:06 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12389 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6897-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:24:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154028-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:59:37 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]:3015 "EHLO relay3.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154342-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:55:59 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQffdo20714; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10070; Wed, 2 Sep 98 18:04:53 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA15402; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:05:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199809022205.SAA15402@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <35ED53FF.D469F1E5@corelcomputer.com> <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 349 Status: RO Content-Length: 1703 Lines: 41 >>>>> "Russell" == Russell King writes: Russell> Andrew E. Mileski writes: >> > As you've observed, code that relies on this is just plain wrong >> and needs to > be fixed. You may be able to work around it by >> adding > __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) to the structure >> definitions. >> >> As Philip said, the code is just plain wrong :P >> >> I had to hack RPM because it does I/O with structs. I didn't >> bother using the packed attribute, as that isn't portable either. >> >> The solution is to always read and write unsigned chars, and then >> if you are really thorough, don't assume bit order either. Russell> I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not Russell> accept any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that Russell> because everything else works, we ought to fall in line. Wow. Is he the person in charge of that file? I thought cpio is a standard file utility. Or is this cpio-compatible library code? Anyway, with an attitude like that, who needs enemies? Russell> He will not accept patches to rpm to change this because he Russell> wants the code to be readable, not functional. Sounds like Russell> he's too concerned about 'the readability of code' rather Russell> than the functionality of it. Oh. So he doesn't care if it is broken, he just wants it to look pretty? Russell> I'm afraid that my opinions are changing, favouring maybe Russell> some other distribution like Debian now. I'll say. It sounds like Red Hat should be avoided for any purpose, if this is what they think is the right way to build software. paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:24:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29888 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16405 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:23:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016403; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:23:47 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22068 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6806-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:22:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154274-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:40:25 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1664 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154340-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:27:33 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zELMM-00039J-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:26:38 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: m.j.s.vandoesburg@student.utwente.nl (Mark van Doesburg), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:16:53 BST." <199809022116.WAA00645@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:26:37 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 352 Status: RO Content-Length: 953 Lines: 22 >The user space is not just a simple matter of one single binary image. >User space is built up of multiple binary images - the user program >and it's librarys, plus sysv ipc shm areas as well. The libraries are (assuming ELF) pretty much completely relocatable. I'm sure SysV shared memory can be battered into line somehow. >I am assuming that you're thinking about doing some sort of multi-processor >Linux kernel on this machine, in which case have you considered all the issues >to do with cache coherency? >From what I've seen he seems to be planning most of a cluster-type architecture rather than actual multiprocessing, in which case cache coherency doesn't enter into it. We've been through the reasons that real SMP is bad news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29769 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:14:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16383 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:14:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016381; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:14:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7255 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6867-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:14:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154227-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:39:59 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1206 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154281-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:22:39 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup4.cymru.net [163.164.160.68]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA00990; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:32:06 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA32420; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:30:50 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00653; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:32:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199809022232.XAA00653@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: devel@NetWinder.org Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:32:40 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199809022205.SAA15402@tonga.xedia.com> from "Paul Koning" at Sep 2, 98 06:05:31 pm X-Location: london.england.earth.mulky-way.universe X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 351 Status: RO Content-Length: 1285 Lines: 25 Paul Koning writes: > Russell> I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not > Russell> accept any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that > Russell> because everything else works, we ought to fall in line. > > Wow. Is he the person in charge of that file? I thought cpio is a > standard file utility. Or is this cpio-compatible library code? It's supposed to be cpio-compatible, but cpio is a little more portable than that implementation. > I'll say. It sounds like Red Hat should be avoided for any purpose, > if this is what they think is the right way to build software. Indeed. And to think that I was just last month arguing to keep ARM RedHat on the linux-arm mailing list. ;( _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King rmk@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/aboutme.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00070 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:30:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16415 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:30:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016413; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:30:50 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22068 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6192-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:30:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154024-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:50:50 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:54393 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154107-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:32:16 -0400 Received: from [193.237.58.117] (helo=beta.oregan) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zELb8-0004Qx-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: <35EDC952.B0628EC0@eh.org> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:40:18 +0100 From: Ian Jeffray Organization: Paradise X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: 2.0.35 build problems X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <35ED53FF.D469F1E5@corelcomputer.com> <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> <199809022205.SAA15402@tonga.xedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 353 Status: RO Content-Length: 1022 Lines: 24 Hi all, I'm building 2.0.35 on "arch-old" and I've some problems. First off, tty.h had to be hacked quite a lot to get things to compile... even the latest version of the headers doesnt seem to define things correctly and has #ifdef __arm__ where it doesnt want to be. :-( That aside, I get to building scsi.c where it gives me an "#error You lose". Why? Because my PAGE_SHIFT is 15, therefore PAGE_SIZE is 32k... scsi.c gives that error if PAGE_SIZE/512 is greater than 32, which it is (64). Now I'm confused... this looks exactly the same as for 2.0.31 which I built perfectly OK... can someone tell me what's going on here, and how I might validly frig scsi.c to work for machines with 32K PAGE_SIZE ? (I dont want to just suck-and-see as I value my scsi disc ;) Best regards, Ian -- Ian Jeffray // ian@eh.org // http://www.eh.org/~ian/ Tel: 0131 337 9923 // 0131 623 4462 // 0378 392 963 Paradise : http://www.paradise.force9.co.uk/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:38:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00120 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16435 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:38:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016433; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:38:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15440 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6542-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:38:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153976-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:17:47 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1522 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154233-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:41:50 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA01285; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:51:12 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199809022251.XAA01285@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: pkoning@xedia.com (Paul Koning) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:51:08 +0100 (BST) Cc: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199809022205.SAA15402@tonga.xedia.com> from "Paul Koning" at Sep 2, 98 06:05:31 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 354 Status: RO Content-Length: 612 Lines: 17 > Russell> I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not > Russell> accept any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that > Russell> because everything else works, we ought to fall in line. > > Wow. Is he the person in charge of that file? I thought cpio is a > standard file utility. Or is this cpio-compatible library code? Its cpio compatible library code. > Anyway, with an attitude like that, who needs enemies? Erik's a nice guy. If you got as much work to do as he did you'd be as abrupt in email. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00326 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16462 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:50:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016448; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:50:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8509-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:47:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153992-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:18:30 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1566 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154289-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:42:09 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA01303; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:51:43 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199809022251.XAA01303@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: shaleh@livenet.net (Shaleh) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:51:41 +0100 (BST) Cc: rmk@arm.uk.linux.org, devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <35EDBE55.C7B1E5F@livenet.net> from "Shaleh" at Sep 2, 98 05:53:25 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 356 Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 11 > > > The solution is to always read and write unsigned > > > chars, and then if you are really thorough, don't > > > assume bit order either. > > How do you deal w/ functions that expect signed variables? Passing an > unsigned char into something that expects an int or char gives me > warnings in gcc et. al. Thats what casting was invented for unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 14:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21644 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:21:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18079 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:21:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018077; Thu, 3 Sep 98 14:20:55 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11865 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8782-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:05:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153878-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:53:38 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1200 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153912-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:53:22 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA15551; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:04:14 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA32523; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:52:35 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA00721; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:54:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199809022254.XAA00721@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: memory mapping To: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:54:43 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, m.j.s.vandoesburg@student.utwente.nl, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Sep 2, 98 11:26:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 885 Status: RO Content-Length: 1041 Lines: 18 Philip Blundell writes: > From what I've seen he seems to be planning most of a cluster-type > architecture rather than actual multiprocessing, in which case cache coherency > doesn't enter into it. We've been through the reasons that real SMP is bad > news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that > used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. Would this really require all memory to be accessible at all times by everything? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 02:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00583 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:11:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA16516 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:11:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016514; Thu, 3 Sep 98 02:11:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45624 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8868-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:10:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154299-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:20:27 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1684 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154319-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:47:38 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA01357; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:57:11 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199809022257.XAA01357@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: rmk@arm.uk.linux.org (Russell King) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:57:09 +0100 (BST) Cc: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King" at Sep 2, 98 09:03:54 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 357 Status: RO Content-Length: 816 Lines: 20 > I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not accept > any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that because everything > else works, we ought to fall in line. It needs maintaining. If you want to fix it you probably want lib/cpio-annoyinghardware.c > He also mentioned that he is not considering even attempting to do > an ARM distribution because of the lack of market for such a port. Is that a suprise. The Acorn market is microscopic and the only other possible market is the Netwinder folks, providing the survive. > I'm afraid that my opinions are changing, favouring maybe some other > distribution like Debian now. The Debian folk are cool and don't have any commercial pressures (or market to cause them). unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 01:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00327 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16463 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:50:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16448; Thu, 3 Sep 98 01:50:03 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39264 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8320-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:47:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154289-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:19:06 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1273 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154406-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:09:52 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id AAA01843; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:19:28 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199809022319.AAA01843@snowcrash.cymru.net> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: rmk@arm.uk.linux.org (Russell King) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:19:21 +0100 (BST) Cc: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <199809022232.XAA00653@raistlin.armlinux.org> from "Russell King" at Sep 2, 98 11:32:40 pm Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 355 Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 24 > It's supposed to be cpio-compatible, but cpio is a little more portable > than that implementation. > > > I'll say. It sounds like Red Hat should be avoided for any purpose, > > if this is what they think is the right way to build software. > > Indeed. And to think that I was just last month arguing to keep ARM > RedHat on the linux-arm mailing list. ;( Erik isnt dumb. Before everyone gets down to calling each other nazis and things let me go beat on Erik and find out what the actual issues are. Even if the arm code is messy I can think of plenty of solutions (for one RPM has %ifarch unlike dpkg src) Maybe it needs to have arch_write_struct()/arch_read_struct() code to keep it clean. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 03:34:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01746 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:34:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16665 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:34:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016663; Thu, 3 Sep 98 03:33:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45879 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8690-12347> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:33:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154359-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:57:32 -0400 Received: from camel14.mindspring.com ([207.69.200.64]:4713 "EHLO camel14.mindspring.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154360-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:35:27 -0400 Received: from reflections.eng.mindspring.net (reflections.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.100]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00694; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Graham Lewis X-Sender: tlewis@reflections.eng.mindspring.net To: devel@NetWinder.org cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder In-Reply-To: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id DAA01746 X-Keywords: X-UID: 358 Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 15 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Russell King wrote: > I was talking to Eric Troan (RedHat bod), and he will not accept > any patches for lib/cpio.c - his opinion is that because everything > else works, we ought to fall in line. Did he post this in public? If so, do you have a reference to it somewhere? I'd love to add an "Eric Troan writes buggy code!" section to my home page... -- Todd Graham Lewis 32°49'N,83°36'W (800) 719-4664, x2804 ******Linux****** MindSpring Enterprises tlewis@mindspring.net unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 04:22:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA02426 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:22:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA16746 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:22:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016744; Thu, 3 Sep 98 04:21:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60504 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8690-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:21:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154498-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:35:35 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:2290 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154499-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:07:10 -0400 Received: From nile With LocalMail ; Thu, 3 Sep 98 10:14:41 +1000 From: "Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins" To: Philip Blundell Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:14:22 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: awiggins@nile.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , Mark van Doesburg , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 359 Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 12 > >From what I've seen he seems to be planning most of a cluster-type > architecture rather than actual multiprocessing, in which case cache coherency > doesn't enter into it. We've been through the reasons that real SMP is bad > news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that > used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. What about some mutliproccesing systems with loose cupling via dual ported SRAMS for msg passing regions? It's not SMP but its mutliprocessing of a kind. Cheers Adam unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 05:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA03057 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA16818 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:11:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016814; Thu, 3 Sep 98 05:11:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60504 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8854-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:11:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153875-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:15:41 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1863 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154543-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:40:58 -0400 Received: (from alan@localhost) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id BAA03283; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:52:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:52:37 +0100 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <199809030052.BAA03283@snowcrash.cymru.net> To: devel@netwinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: RPM/Handling ARM /etc X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 361 Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 15 Amazingly enough when I talk to both sides I get totally different stories. So either someone is telling porkies, or as I much more suspect both sides have their wires crossed. Erik's comments being _A_: I asked if there was a pragma, said I liked that best, and *never got an answer* So perhaps everyone can go back to civilised discussion of why __packed__ isnt suitable, and the best way to handle it. Alan unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 03:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA01696 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:32:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA16656 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:32:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016654; Thu, 3 Sep 98 03:31:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:516 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8736-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:30:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154556-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:57:01 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:3602 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154344-17700>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:32:05 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id BAA18375 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:41:49 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA28670 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:40:32 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id DAA00416 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:40:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:40:31 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809030140.DAA00416@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980902231935Z154556-28979+1@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: X-UID: 360 Status: RO Content-Length: 3781 Lines: 81 The user space is not just a simple matter of one single binary image. User space is built up of multiple binary images - the user program and it's librarys, plus sysv ipc shm areas as well. Can you give me details of the current mapping ? I assume it is not the intention to map kernel only memory below the address where the kernel is mapped. Am i right ? Your suggestion is that we redefine the location of all of these, which IMHO is not a good idea. Would this be much work ? I am not suggesting you should remap the kernel to 0x60000000 on all architectures, but what would be so bad about it ? I am assuming that you're thinking about doing some sort of multi-processor Linux kernel on this machine, in which case have you considered all the issues to do with cache coherency? What i want to make is a multiprocessor render engine. It is a "normal" computer (pentium/alpha/sparc) with one or more PCI cards in it. These PCI cards have 4 or 8 sa-110/21285/64MB SDRAM sets on it. They are going to communicate with the host and each other via TCP/IP links. These links are made by having the processors copying the packets to each others memories. The only time a strongarm would have to flush the cache is when it receives a packet from another strongarm. These packets would present only a fraction of the communication. Most packets will come from/go to the host, and no cache flushes would be needed for those packets. After having this setup i would add shared memory segments. These would be located on the host, which has cache coherency hardware. The StrongARM does not have any cache snooping like the Intel does, and this means that shared memory space is fraught with problems. I want to map the PCI memory space uncached. That would not give a preformance penalty for me. I have to calculate a lot of data en put the results somewhere. This putting of the data would be relativly random access. Sending it with TCP/IP would be too much overhead. Looking at the Intel code, it appears that they only map in the memory on an as and needed basis. I don't see that doing a similar thing will reduce performance, if it's done properly. It won't reduce preformance, but there simply is not enough room to map it. What i need right now is 768MB, this won't fit with the current mapping. There are also other plans, these future projects will require much more, we will probably put over 3GB ram in the machine. I need to map the entire 2GB PCI memory area of the 21285 to access all of this. There are alternatives offcourse. One thing i could do is map the memory of the host first. After that i would map as many strongarms as possible. All strongarms that can not be accessed by shared memory would then be accessed with the DMA processor. Doing this has two major problems The first is that i would have to flush the cache of both strongarms when i send a packet from one sa to another. The second reason is that i would have to put the packet messages in the memory of the host. This would block all upstream and downstream PCI busses, and it would also cause a big delay. (A third reason could be that this solution is really messy) I could also iomap/iounmap pages as needed, this would be both a nightmare to code and a real preformance killer. Remapping the kernel to 0x60000000 really seems to be the best thing to do in my case. I would prefer binary compatibility, but considering that this setup would only be interesting only to people with special computing needs, it would not be a disaster if it isn't binary compatible. If it really is a bad idea to change the kernel mapping, i guess i'll just have to use the DMA channel. greetings, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 06:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04045 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:28:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16950 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:28:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016948; Thu, 3 Sep 98 06:28:22 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24884 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8404-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:25:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153941-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:34:46 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3296 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154549-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:09:53 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 413 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:21:02 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 447; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:17:23 -0400 Message-ID: <35EE0B26.74373644@corelcomputer.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:21:10 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@NetWinder.org CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 362 Status: RO Content-Length: 546 Lines: 18 Russell King wrote: > Andrew E. Mileski writes: > > > As you've observed, code that relies on this is just plain wrong and needs to > > > be fixed. You may be able to work around it by adding > > > __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) to the structure definitions. > > > > As Philip said, the code is just plain wrong :P Russell, you misquoted :( Philip wrote "> > >" and I wrote "> >". Please be more careful. -- Andrew E. Mileski Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 06:42:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04235 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:42:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16970 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:42:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016968; Thu, 3 Sep 98 06:42:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7000 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8455-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:40:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154160-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:58:09 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3306 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154573-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:16:26 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 335 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:27:37 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 479; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: <35EE0CB1.A5BC5EF1@corelcomputer.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:27:45 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@NetWinder.org CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <199809022003.VAA00459@raistlin.armlinux.org> <35EDBE55.C7B1E5F@livenet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 363 Status: RO Content-Length: 630 Lines: 18 > > > The solution is to always read and write unsigned > > > chars, and then if you are really thorough, don't > > > assume bit order either. > > How do you deal w/ functions that expect signed variables? Passing an > unsigned char into something that expects an int or char gives me > warnings in gcc et. al. You convert signed to unsigned BEFORE a write, and convert unsigned to signed AFTER a read. Notice I stated "convert" not cast! The idea is to ensure all bits get read/written. -- Andrew E. Mileski Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 06:47:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA04287 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA16975 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:47:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016973; Thu, 3 Sep 98 06:47:12 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7000 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8455-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:46:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154157-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:09:25 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3411 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154411-28979>; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:29:45 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 259 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:40:58 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 377; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:37:19 -0400 Message-ID: <35EE0FD2.362D8A58@corelcomputer.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:41:06 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@NetWinder.org CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: RPM/Handling ARM /etc References: <199809030052.BAA03283@snowcrash.cymru.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 364 Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 27 Alan Cox wrote: > Amazingly enough when I talk to both sides I get totally different stories. > So either someone is telling porkies, or as I much more suspect both sides > have their wires crossed. They indeed have. I've been blamed for Russell's comment! > Erik's comments being > > _A_: I asked if there was a pragma, said I liked that best, and *never > got an answer* > > So perhaps everyone can go back to civilised discussion of why __packed__ > isnt suitable, and the best way to handle it. Because it is compiler specific. It is easy to re-write the code, and more portable too! Each member of a structure should be read/written a byte at a time. I think the new tag based code does this already for example. -- Andrew E. Mileski Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 10:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13673 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17441 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:11:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017439; Thu, 3 Sep 98 10:11:24 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35848 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7036-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:09:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153949-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:57:23 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:23817 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154020-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 01:55:10 -0400 Received: from tiddles.oregan.net (tiddles.oregan.net [195.173.86.18]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09260 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:06:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:55:27 +0100 From: phil To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: RPM/Handling ARM /etc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35EE0FD2.362D8A58@corelcomputer.com> X-Organization: Xania X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 365 Status: RO Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 38 In message <35EE0FD2.362D8A58@corelcomputer.com> "Andrew E. Mileski" wrote: > > So perhaps everyone can go back to civilised discussion of why __packed__ > > isnt suitable, and the best way to handle it. > > Because it is compiler specific. > > It is easy to re-write the code, and more portable too! > Each member of a structure should be read/written a byte > at a time. I think the new tag based code does this > already for example. I really do hope you're not advocating what I think you're advocating. The reading of structures byte-by-byte is extremely slow. Consider the situation where you have four bytes you wish to read from where r0 is pointing to, and you wish to assemble a 32-bit int from these which will be placed in r1. Optimal way: ldr r1,[r0] What you seem to be suggesting: ldrb r1,[r0] ldrb r14,[r0,#1] orr r1,r1,r14,lsl #8 ldrb r14,[r0,#2] orr r1,r1,r14,lsl #16 ldrb r14,[r0,#3] orr r1,r1,r14,lsl #24 Please do tell me if I have misunderstood what you said, but you seem to be advocating the use (for a situation which occurs very often indeed) of a seven-fold increase in program size and a five-fold (at least) decrease in performance. Here's hoping I misread, Phil unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 10:39:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15637 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17508 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:39:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017505; Thu, 3 Sep 98 10:39:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37937 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8623-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:38:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153995-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:26:59 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:16714 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153987-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:26:39 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEUps-0003Za-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:33:44 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEUpr-0000ij-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:33:43 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: phil cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: RPM/Handling ARM /etc In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 08:55:27 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 09:33:43 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 366 Status: RO Content-Length: 453 Lines: 11 >I really do hope you're not advocating what I think you're advocating. The >reading of structures byte-by-byte is extremely slow. Consider the situation >where you have four bytes you wish to read from where r0 is pointing to, and >you wish to assemble a 32-bit int from these which will be placed in r1. He's talking about file I/O, not general in-memory structures. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 11:11:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16342 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA17573 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:11:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017571; Thu, 3 Sep 98 11:11:16 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:61778 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8207-12347> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:08:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153874-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:53:57 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:52305 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154057-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 02:53:18 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.49]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA29338 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:03:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:48:27 +0200 (BST) From: Eduard Pfarr Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: Lunixmehlliste In-Reply-To: <199809022257.XAA01357@snowcrash.cymru.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id LAA16342 X-Keywords: X-UID: 367 Status: RO Content-Length: 1469 Lines: 34 In on Thu 03 Sep, Alan Cox wrote: [..] > > He also mentioned that he is not considering even attempting to do > > an ARM distribution because of the lack of market for such a port. > > Is that a suprise. The Acorn market is microscopic and the only other > possible market is the Netwinder folks, providing the survive. Good day, I'm new to (Arm-) Linux. I've decided to go for it because I've been under the impression that Linux is CPU independant as far as possible. I've liked that interview with Linus in a recent (German) computer magazine (»c't«) where he stated proudly that Linux supported the most number of different platforms. ARM, and StrongARM computers in particular, are such platforms. I suppose it's not nice what RedHat are doing - according to Russel King's posts. Am I wrong? One last word: I've started to become inspired by the unconventional and friendly »spirit« of the Linux world. Not that $$$-pressure like in the M$ world (where I come from). So far. I've subscribed to this list just a few weeks ago and with regret I see this not-nice discussion here. If Linux is intented to overcome the M$ thingy one day, one should rather cooperate in the Linux »market«. A propos: Does anybody successfully run that impressive KDE on his Arm-Linux? (Peter T. maybe? ) Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 11:57:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA17789 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:57:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA17700 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:57:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017698; Thu, 3 Sep 98 11:57:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11586 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8406-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:54:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153962-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:40:45 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:48346 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154093-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 03:35:21 -0400 Received: from [193.237.23.100] (helo=gate.sw.milldev.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEVyB-0004g1-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:46:23 +0000 Received: from florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (florence.sw.milldev.co.uk [192.168.0.6]) by gate.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25988; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:43:18 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA00063; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:43:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199809030943.KAA00063@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:43:33 +0100 (BST) Cc: devel@Netwinder.Org Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 368 Status: RO Content-Length: 1332 Lines: 33 Andrew E. Mileski writes: > Russell King wrote: > > Andrew E. Mileski writes: > > > > As you've observed, code that relies on this is just plain wrong and needs to > > > > be fixed. You may be able to work around it by adding > > > > __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) to the structure definitions. > > > > > > As Philip said, the code is just plain wrong :P > > Russell, you misquoted :( Philip wrote "> > >" and > I wrote "> >". > > Please be more careful. I didn't misquote. I never misquote - my email software (elm) always quotes correctly. In fact, look at it carefully. I quoted 'Andrew E. Mileski writes' who then quoted Phil's email. My quoting is correct. If this is not other peoples interpretation, then I'm afraid that they're wrong. If you would take a look at any of Phil's replies, his mail software does not add in any attributation. I refuse to add this in manually to *his* mails. What am I supposed to do? Add in the attributation for Phil for a message that Phil send that you replied to that I then replied to? I think that this is just unreasonable. Don't blame me, blame Phil's email software. I've already asked him to do something about it, but so far, nothings happened ;( -- Russell King (rmk@milldev.demon.co.uk) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 12:44:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18655 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:44:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA17814 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:44:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017812; Thu, 3 Sep 98 12:44:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25180 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6495-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:43:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154095-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:31:57 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:25803 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154057-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:31:33 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEWpx-0003na-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:41:57 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEWpw-0002Mq-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:41:56 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 03:40:31 +0200." <19980902231935Z154556-28979+1@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:41:56 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 369 Status: RO Content-Length: 846 Lines: 23 >After having this setup i would add shared memory segments. These would >be located on the host, which has cache coherency hardware. Be warned that posted-write FIFOs and the like can still screw you up even if you have cache coherency in the chipset. >I want to map the PCI memory space uncached. That would not give a >preformance penalty for me. Are you sure? The StrongARM never performs burst accesses to uncacheable regions and this can be quite a hit. >If it really is a bad idea to change the kernel mapping, i guess i'll >just have to use the DMA channel. Changing the kernel mapping for your particular application is probably OK, though you might consider using the 21285's DMA engine anyway as you might well get better performance that way. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 13:14:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19483 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:14:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17877 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:14:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017875; Thu, 3 Sep 98 13:14:14 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41268 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8648-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:09:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154058-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:56:23 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:2360 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154128-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:54:45 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id NAA27203 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:05:59 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) id MAA29212 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:54:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:54:01 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031054.MAA29212@poekie.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903085735Z154058-28979+725@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: X-UID: 370 Status: RO Content-Length: 493 Lines: 15 What about some mutliproccesing systems with loose cupling via dual ported SRAMS for msg passing regions? It's not SMP but its mutliprocessing of a kind. Cheers Adam The is an preformance penalty on this method. Having to copy everything is two times as slow as the solution with memory mapping. And of course it would not be possible to have a shared memory segment between the processors. greetings, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 14:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21885 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:31:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18137 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:31:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018134; Thu, 3 Sep 98 14:31:16 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59210 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8417-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:27:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153984-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:14:56 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:2426 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153968-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:14:35 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18103; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:25:48 +0200 Received: from genedata.com (mrw@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21780; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:25:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <35EE8AD6.CE852469@genedata.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 14:25:58 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox Organization: GeneData AG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.117 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping References: <199809022254.XAA00721@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 372 Status: RO Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 23 Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > Philip Blundell writes: > > From what I've seen he seems to be planning most of a cluster-type > > architecture rather than actual multiprocessing, in which case cache coherency > > doesn't enter into it. We've been through the reasons that real SMP is bad > > news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that > > used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. > > Would this really require all memory to be accessible at all times by > everything? No, Beowulf is a NUMA (Non-Uniform Memory Architecture) system - processors can't access remote memory directly. They communicate by message passing. Conventional Beowulf systems communicate over 100MBit ethernet, so communicating via PCI should be significantly faster. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 15:31:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24217 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18304 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:31:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18300; Thu, 3 Sep 98 15:30:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33370 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8305-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:25:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154428-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:41:13 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:8301 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154498-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:37:09 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEYe1-00041v-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:37:45 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEYdz-00049X-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:37:43 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: philb@gnu.org (Philip Blundell), m.j.s.vandoesburg@student.utwente.nl, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Sep 1998 23:54:43 BST." <199809022254.XAA00721@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:37:43 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 19 >> news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that >> used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. > >Would this really require all memory to be accessible at all times by >everything? No, it's certainly not necessary but I can see why Mark would prefer it to be that way. So long as he's aware of the tradeoffs I don't see any reason why he shouldn't change the mappings to do what he wants. It sounds like this is always going to be a system of fairly specialist interest. Another option incidentally might be to dedicate a region of say 1MB on each CPU for message passing and have only that area mapped into PCI space rather than the whole of RAM. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 15:31:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24216 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18303 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:31:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018300; Thu, 3 Sep 98 15:30:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33370 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9043-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:24:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154420-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:41:05 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:8297 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154493-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:37:01 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEYkn-00042b-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:44:45 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEYkl-0004CK-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:44:43 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:40:09 +0200." <19980903094127Z154117-28979+745@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:44:43 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1255 Lines: 31 >You have to read from PCI to flush it. I know. Indeed, and that can take quite a long time. PCI reads are a slow business. >I want to calculate a depth buffer. Each depth takes some time to calculate. >After it has been calculated it must simply be put in the shared memory >segment. I never have to read this segment from the sa. If you can guarantee never to read from that area then it can be a win to map it cacheable so that you take advantage of burst writes. The 21285 data sheet does admittedly say that you mustn't do this but I'm not sure whether it really means it. > Changing the kernel mapping for your particular application is > probably OK, > >Can you tell me if this would be much work ? Do i also have to modify >the dynamic linker and possibly other tools ? No. The dynamic linker only cares about user space and it mmap()s the libraries in so the kernel can impose its own address restrictions there. None of the other tools know anything about addressing. There are some definitions in include/asm-arm/proc-armv that would need to be changed (probably the best thing would be to push them into an arch/ include) but that's about it. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 16:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28716 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18531 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:52:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018528; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:52:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7696 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3795-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:43:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154130-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:07:05 -0400 Received: from relay6.UU.NET ([192.48.96.16]:1271 "EHLO relay6.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154342-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:17:12 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQfffx21739; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15446; Thu, 3 Sep 98 09:28:06 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16264; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:28:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199809031328.JAA16264@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alan@cymru.net Cc: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <199809022232.XAA00653@raistlin.armlinux.org> <199809022319.AAA01843@snowcrash.cymru.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 30 >>>>> "Alan" == Alan Cox writes: Alan> ... let me go beat on Erik and find out what the Alan> actual issues are. Even if the arm code is messy I can think of Alan> plenty of solutions Alan> (for one RPM has %ifarch unlike dpkg src) Alan> Maybe it needs to have Alan> arch_write_struct()/arch_read_struct() Alan> code to keep it clean. FWIW, this is *not* an ARM specific issue. There are other platforms (i960 comes to mind) where struct alignment is different from the popular assumption. I used to argue about this being a bug until someone beat me over the head with a C standard, which says clearly that structs can be aligned to *bigger* boundaries than the sizes of their constituents (but not smaller). It's just that only a small number of platforms actually do this, so it's easy to get lulled into believing that it isn't so. Of course, this bad assumption lives in many other places -- isn't there an ethernet-header struct somewhere that is used all over? Same issue... paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 13:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21063 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:59:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA17992 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:59:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa17988; Thu, 3 Sep 98 13:58:53 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:44851 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8450-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:53:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154117-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:34:13 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:2703 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154158-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 05:30:18 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id NAA05008 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:41:36 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA29289 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:40:09 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA00143 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:40:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:40:09 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031340.PAA00143@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903094127Z154117-28979+745@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: X-UID: 371 Status: RO Content-Length: 1797 Lines: 47 >After having this setup i would add shared memory segments. These would >be located on the host, which has cache coherency hardware. Be warned that posted-write FIFOs and the like can still screw you up even if you have cache coherency in the chipset. You have to read from PCI to flush it. I know. I've read the entire datasheet of the 21285 to make sure i wouldn't get any unwanted surprises. The only unwanted surprise is that i cannot access the entire PCI memory space, this can be solved i guess. >I want to map the PCI memory space uncached. That would not give a >preformance penalty for me. Are you sure? The StrongARM never performs burst accesses to uncacheable regions and this can be quite a hit. I want to calculate a depth buffer. Each depth takes some time to calculate. After it has been calculated it must simply be put in the shared memory segment. I never have to read this segment from the sa. >If it really is a bad idea to change the kernel mapping, i guess i'll >just have to use the DMA channel. Changing the kernel mapping for your particular application is probably OK, Can you tell me if this would be much work ? Do i also have to modify the dynamic linker and possibly other tools ? though you might consider using the 21285's DMA engine anyway as you might well get better performance that way. I was actually planning to implement both and let the packet size determine if the DMA channel should be used or not. I would also have trouble with the messages passing if i don't map all PCI space. Nothing that can't be solved with a small preformance penalty however. Using the DMA channel for all sa->sa communication doesn't look that bad after all. p. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 3 15:45:29 1998 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:45:29 +0200 From: Mail System Internal Data Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA X-IMAP: 0902393998 0000000372 Status: RO Content-Length: 260 Lines: 4 This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not a real message. 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From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 19:59:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06251 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:59:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18990 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:59:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018987; Thu, 3 Sep 98 19:58:48 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15984 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3678-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 20:55:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153899-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:00 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:52844 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153916-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:02:34 -0400 Received: from [158.152.217.62] (helo=regretta.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEcyR-0000Ec-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:15:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:20:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Miles Subject: Compiling related stuff... To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: None X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: X-UID: 911 Status: RO Content-Length: 1794 Lines: 38 I've a feeling all of these questions have been asked and answered before on this group, but reading all the other postings has left me with informational overload, so I apologize in advance to given readers of this mailing list 'deja vu'. I'm running ARMLinux on a SA-RiscPC with Linux 2.0.35, installed with all the RPMS from the ARMLinux site. I've recently acquired a RedHat 5.1 SRPMS CD and as the current set of RPMS is rather outdated/missing lots of useful stuff I wanted to install the new set. Quite a lot of stuff actually compiles first time (configure is marvelous), I've got AfterStep working which I thought was really impressive. However, a number of sources complained that they were missing libraries (libg++ was a classic) or the libraries were out of date. So I decided that a sensible move would be to install the libraries first. This is where problems arose. The main trouble occurs when creating shared libraries which results in a screenful of error messages. There don't seem to be any shared libraries in /lib so is the current system capable of creating/using shared libraries? Secondly, when compiling the big sources I get 'virtual memory exhausted' which I'm informed is due to aout libraries not being able to address over a certain size, and the solution to this is to use ELF. I've noticed that something called glib-2.0.95-bin has been released. What exactly does this do, will this let me compile via ELF? In short this whole posting could be summarised with the following question: If I want to compile things that need shared library support/ELF can I do it? If so, what do I need to download and how do I install it? Thanks for your time Andrew -- Andrew Miles unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 16:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27155 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18438 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:15:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018435; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:15:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50244 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3739-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:08:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155017-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:11:24 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:3655 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154313-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:39:55 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id OAA19968 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:51:20 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA29414 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:41:03 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA00156 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:41:03 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:41:03 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031441.QAA00156@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903115428Z155017-28979+813@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 15 Philip Blundell writes: > From what I've seen he seems to be planning most of a cluster-type > architecture rather than actual multiprocessing, in which case cache coherency > doesn't enter into it. We've been through the reasons that real SMP is bad > news on current ARM machines quite recently, but a Beowulf-type cluster that > used PCI for message passing would be a neat toy. Would this really require all memory to be accessible at all times by everything? That would be the preferred solution, not the only one. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 16:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27156 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18439 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:15:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18435; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:15:18 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50244 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4001-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:14:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154271-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:12:18 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:3662 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154336-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:40:09 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id OAA20027 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:51:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA29423 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:50:17 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA00165 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:50:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:50:17 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031450.QAA00165@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903120158Z154271-28979+814@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 19 No, Beowulf is a NUMA (Non-Uniform Memory Architecture) system - processors can't access remote memory directly. They communicate by message passing. Conventional Beowulf systems communicate over 100MBit ethernet, so communicating via PCI should be significantly faster. -- Matthew Wilcox It should be possible to run Beowulf software on it since the shared memory network driver still is a normal network driver. The advantages of this system are the speed of the network and the ability to create a shared memory segment between processors. This makes it possible to use this system for finer grained problems than is possible on Beowulf systems. The main advantage of this system over SMP is the increased memory bandwidth. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 17:50:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00367 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:50:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA18677 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:50:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018673; Thu, 3 Sep 98 17:49:43 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55840 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3582-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:41:45 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154034-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:15:06 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:9816 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154204-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:51:18 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEaqt-0004GG-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:59:11 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zEaqs-00069D-00; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:59:10 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re" memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:09:09 +0200." <19980903121910Z154170-28979+834@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:59:10 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 22 >That is the preformance penalty i would have when i have to use the DMA >channel. The messages would have to be in the hosts memory. Why couldn't you use the DMA channel to write between StrongARM processors? PCI works a lot better if you can arrange to have your data pushed rather than pulled, as it were. >I was thinking about making it bufferable. This would mean i still get >burst writes. Yup, that's true. It's still better to make it cacheable as well if you can because that way you get write merging as well. >And arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S to do the intial page mapping ? Yup, and obviously arch/arm/Makefile so that the linker did the right thing. That's about it I think. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 16:43:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28310 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:43:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18503 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:43:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018501; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:42:36 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50244 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3879-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:31:38 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154170-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:27:09 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:3951 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154828-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:59:11 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id PAA24257 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:10:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA29458 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:09:09 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA00179 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:09:09 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:09:09 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031509.RAA00179@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re" memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903121910Z154170-28979+834@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1095 Lines: 28 Indeed, and that can take quite a long time. PCI reads are a slow business. That is the preformance penalty i would have when i have to use the DMA channel. The messages would have to be in the hosts memory. If you can guarantee never to read from that area then it can be a win to map it cacheable so that you take advantage of burst writes. The 21285 data sheet does admittedly say that you mustn't do this but I'm not sure whether it really means it. I was thinking about making it bufferable. This would mean i still get burst writes. And when a message is in remote memory it would use the burst write to first flush the write buffer since i have to read from the PCI memory to flush the outbound PCI fifo. There are some definitions in include/asm-arm/proc-armv that would need to be changed (probably the best thing would be to push them into an arch/ include) but that's about it. And arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S to do the intial page mapping ? This doesn't seem like a lot of work. p. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 18:26:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01295 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18784 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18780; Thu, 3 Sep 98 18:26:05 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36425 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3481-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:23:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154302-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:20:49 -0400 Received: from user-38ld0c7.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.129.135]:9982 "EHLO mercury.nyc.redhat.com" ident: "ewt") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154338-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (ewt@localhost) by mercury.nyc.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01766; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:17:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: mercury.nyc.redhat.com: ewt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik Troan X-Sender: ewt@mercury.nyc.redhat.com To: "Andrew E. Mileski" cc: devel@NetWinder.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: RPM/Handling ARM /etc In-Reply-To: <35EE0FD2.362D8A58@corelcomputer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1483 Lines: 35 On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, Andrew E. Mileski wrote: > > So perhaps everyone can go back to civilised discussion of why __packed__ > > isnt suitable, and the best way to handle it. > > Because it is compiler specific. What other compilers/OSs are there for the ARM which makes this an actual problem? > It is easy to re-write the code, and more portable too! > Each member of a structure should be read/written a byte > at a time. I think the new tag based code does this > already for example. I'l like to see a clean patch; nobody has bothred submitting one. Ideally, it would define a cpio_read_header(), which: 1) does a single read() into the structure on archs which pack the cpio header "correctly" ("correctly" being defined as "in the same way as the cpio format needs", not "correct" as in "Erik's way"); configure can easily be modified to check for this 2) does a single read() into a buffer on other archs, and then copies the bits into the structure after the read Erik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "For the next two hours, VH1 will be filled with foul-mouthed, | | crossdressing Australians. Viewer discretion is advised." | | | | Linux Application Development -- http://www.redhat.com/~johnsonm/lad | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 16:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28720 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:52:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18532 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:52:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18528; Thu, 3 Sep 98 16:52:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7696 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7146-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:51:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154211-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 08:24:23 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:4360 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154425-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 07:30:23 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id PAA01049 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:42:03 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA29511 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:37:16 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA00193 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:37:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:37:16 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031537.RAA00193@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903123843Z154211-28979+882@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1157 Lines: 25 Another option incidentally might be to dedicate a region of say 1MB on each CPU for message passing and have only that area mapped into PCI space rather than the whole of RAM. p. That is a good idea if remapping the kernel really is a problem. It would still mean i have to use the DMA channel (and thus have to flush caches on both sides) It would however be a lot better than putting all messages in the host memory. I would still map the whole sa ram on the PCI bus since the host does not have the memory mapping problem. (the intel uses segmentation and the alpha/sparc are 64 bit processors) But only the actual message areas would have to be mapped on the sa's. But it would probably be more work than remapping the kernel and still be less flexible. (Simply adding an additional message frame would require the destination to map that area as well, the destination has to be told to do so and of course ioremap/iounmap would be more complicated, since i can have a page in the physical 0x80000000-0xffffffff area mapped two times on different bus addresses) Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 18:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01673 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:46:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18825 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:46:02 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018823; Thu, 3 Sep 98 18:45:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:61557 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3400-12347>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:40:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154335-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:49:21 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3327 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154452-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 374 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:44:06 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 246; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: <35EEB94F.473DEEDD@corelcomputer.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:44:15 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@NetWinder.org CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Struct alignment on netwinder References: <199809030943.KAA00063@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 20 Russell King wrote: > Andrew E. Mileski writes: > > Russell, you misquoted :( Philip wrote "> > >" and > > I wrote "> >". > > > > Please be more careful. > > I didn't misquote. I never misquote - my email software (elm) always quotes > correctly. [snip] > Don't blame me, blame Phil's email software. I've already asked him to do > something about it, but so far, nothings happened ;( Sorry. I stand corrected. -- Andrew E. Mileski Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 19:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA02191 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:02:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA18860 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:02:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018858; Thu, 3 Sep 98 19:02:13 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:56696 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3208-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:58:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154460-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:19:34 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:3497 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154384-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:45:34 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 408 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:58:46 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.110.8]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 423; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: <35EEBCC0.B7751318@corelcomputer.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 11:58:56 -0400 From: "Andrew E. Mileski" Organization: Corel Computer Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: devel@netWinder.org CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: RPM/Handling ARM /etc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 751 Lines: 23 Erik Troan wrote: > > Because it is compiler specific. > > What other compilers/OSs are there for the ARM which makes this an actual > problem? I wasn't thinking of the ARM, I'm thinking of a generic all-processor compatible fix. > > It is easy to re-write the code, and more portable too! > > Each member of a structure should be read/written a byte > > at a time. I think the new tag based code does this > > already for example. > > I'l like to see a clean patch; nobody has bothred submitting one. I know. That's why I never submitted by ARM "hacks". A completely portable fix is better (and possible). -- Andrew E. Mileski Software Developer Corel Computer Corp. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 3 18:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01296 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA18783 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:26:32 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018780; Thu, 3 Sep 98 18:26:03 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36425 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4060-32760>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:21:15 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154376-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:30:01 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:1471 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154121-28979>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:15:11 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id RAA22776 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:27:18 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29759 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 17:26:23 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id TAA00234 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:26:23 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:26:23 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809031726.TAA00234@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980903140708Z154376-28979+989@vger.rutgers.edu> X-Keywords: Status: RO Content-Length: 1661 Lines: 39 Why couldn't you use the DMA channel to write between StrongARM processors? PCI works a lot better if you can arrange to have your data pushed rather than pulled, as it were. Data will be pushed. However this can be done by writing to the PCI memory space as well. When i use the DMA processor i would have to flush the cache on the processor that is going to push the data into the other processors memory. I would also have to program the DMA processor to transfer the data and receive the interrupt of the DMA processor when it is done. This is a lot of overhead since most packets will consist of 20 bytes data and a TCP/IP header. (and a 4 byte hardware header) >I was thinking about making it bufferable. This would mean i still get >burst writes. Yup, that's true. It's still better to make it cacheable as well if you can because that way you get write merging as well. I will write each value only once so merging is not an issue. Also the messages (not the packets) will be read/write and must be updated before an interrupt to the other processor is generated. This would mean flushing the cache if the memory was cached. >And arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S to do the intial page mapping ? Yup, and obviously arch/arm/Makefile so that the linker did the right thing. That's about it I think. Thanks for pointing that one out. p. Now, with all the information i have it seems like remapping the kernel to 0x60000000 is the best thing to do in my case. Unless someone can give a good reason not to do this i will simply remap the kernel. greetings, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 17:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09896 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:34:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA21743 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:34:35 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021740; Fri, 4 Sep 98 17:34:25 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27209 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11063-2436>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:25:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154076-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:04:16 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:4870 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154080-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:57:21 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id RAA24728 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:23 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA31689 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:08:54 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA00325 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:08:53 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:08:53 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809041508.RAA00325@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980904130755Z154076-20230+282@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 900 Lines: 26 I don't remember the details, but out of the four combinations of buffered and cached, one of them is not allowed. I think it's buffered non-cached, but I'm not really sure; it is in one of my manuals (at home). If you can't find it, yell and I'll look it up. paul Uncached but buffered access is allowed. It does not do write collapsing, uses the byte enable lanes and uses bursts to cast out the write buffer if possible. (6.3.2.2) In enhanced mode the write buffer is allowed to merge multiple byte/halfword writes in a single transfer. (9.1) The write buffer only uses bursts in enhanced mode. (9.9) It seems like i get what i want. :-) The only buffered/cached combination that doesn't makes sense to me would be unbuffered-cached, but i can not find if this combination is explicitly disallowed. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 17:34:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09898 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA21744 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:34:35 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa21740; Fri, 4 Sep 98 17:34:26 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27209 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10640-7981>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:31:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154045-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:04:28 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:4875 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154113-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:57:43 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id RAA24791 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:13:46 +0200 (METDST) Received: from flipje.test. (mark@flipje.test [192.168.2.4]) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA31695 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:12:39 +0200 Received: (from mark@localhost) by flipje.test. (8.8.7/8.7.3) id RAA00332 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:12:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:12:37 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809041512.RAA00332@flipje.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: ARM Architecture Reference manual X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980904131458Z154045-20230+284@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 6 Can anyone tell me where to find the ARM Architecture Reference manual ? (EC-QV44A-TE) I need to know a little more about the MMU than the sa110 manual tells me. Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 19:58:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14136 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:58:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22199 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:58:05 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022196; Fri, 4 Sep 98 19:57:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31055 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10594-2436>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:55:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154186-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:38:42 -0400 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:2013 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154196-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:37:38 -0400 Received: From nile With LocalMail ; Sat, 5 Sep 98 01:35:46 +1000 From: "Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins" To: Mark van Doesburg Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:35:38 +1000 (EST) X-Sender: awiggins@nile.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Architecture Reference manual In-Reply-To: <19980904131458Z154045-20230+284@vger.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 458 Lines: 15 On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Mark van Doesburg wrote: > Can anyone tell me where to find the ARM Architecture Reference manual ? > (EC-QV44A-TE) I need to know a little more about the MMU than the sa110 > manual tells me. We got ours from www.amazon.com online book store. $50ish US Cheers Adam > > Mark. > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 19:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13504 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:26:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22135 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:26:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022133; Fri, 4 Sep 98 19:26:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39009 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10266-2436>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:23:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154173-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:03:58 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:47213 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154152-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:03:33 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16820; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:19:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA22600; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:19:37 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:19:36 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Andrew Miles Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling related stuff... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1852 Lines: 38 On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Andrew Miles wrote: > Secondly, when compiling the big sources I get 'virtual memory exhausted' > which I'm informed is due to aout libraries not being able to address over a > certain size, and the solution to this is to use ELF. I've noticed that > something called glib-2.0.95-bin has been released. What exactly does > this do, > will this let me compile via ELF? > > In short this whole posting could be summarised with the following question: > > If I want to compile things that need shared library support/ELF can > I do it? If so, what do I need to download and how do I install it? > > Thanks for your time You can compile gcc & binutils statically linked (esp. the programs cc1, cc1plus, ld, ar, ranlib) which will then use as much memory as there's free on the machine (I've tried it with c++-sources, for which to compile cc1plus wanted ~25MB of RAM). If you're missing some libraries, get the sources and try to compile them. This will be static libraries in 99% since a.out-binary format is nearly dead. Switching to ELF is probably not the best idea since you have to compile everything again (gcc, binutils, libs, ...) which is quite a lot of work and takes time / disc space. And last but not least there're not all the sources available you might need (ie. X11 for ARM). ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 19:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13771 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22162 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:38:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022160; Fri, 4 Sep 98 19:38:13 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39009 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10981-7981>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:36:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154179-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:18:54 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:50334 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154203-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:18:18 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17271 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:34:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA22681; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:34:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:34:24 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: ARMLinux mailing list Subject: c++ libraries Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 652 Lines: 16 Hi, does someone know what the more (most) recent versions of the c++ library set are??? The one I know of is libg++-2.7.2.8. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 19:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13829 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:40:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22169 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:40:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022167; Fri, 4 Sep 98 19:40:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39009 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11197-2436>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:40:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154184-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:23:06 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:51033 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154170-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:22:41 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17456 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:39:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA28856; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:38:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:38:55 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: ARMLinux mailing list Subject: ELF success Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 21 Hi, I've got the first programs running successfully with glibc-2.0.95: textutils, gzip, bash-1.14-7, ext2fsutils, ncurses-4.02 (more or less, testing is needed), thanks to the works of all the developers of arm-linuxelf gcc, binutils, glibc, ... Russell: Will there be an ELF release of X11 soon? ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 4 19:47:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13929 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:47:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22179 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:47:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022177; Fri, 4 Sep 98 19:47:24 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2624 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10954-2436>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:47:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154180-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:30:13 -0400 Received: from caldera.com ([207.179.18.1]:21062 "HELO caldera.caldera.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154192-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:29:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 14599 invoked by uid 1100); 4 Sep 1998 17:45:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:45:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Chris Clark To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Architecture Reference manual In-Reply-To: <19980904131458Z154045-20230+284@vger.rutgers.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 15 On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Mark van Doesburg wrote: > Can anyone tell me where to find the ARM Architecture Reference manual ? I got mine here: http://www1.clbooks.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0137362994 I also found "ARM System Architecture" to be a good general intro to ARM stuff: http://www1.clbooks.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0201403528 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 6 03:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24980 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA27179 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:17:10 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027177; Sun, 6 Sep 98 03:16:58 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:58399 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6746-278> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 04:16:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154039-29165>; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:55:08 -0400 Received: from ba1.augsburg.baynet.de ([194.95.202.130]:29270 "EHLO ba1.augsburg.baynet.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154030-29165> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from ba471101 (dial069.augsburg.baynet.de [194.95.202.105]) by ba1.augsburg.baynet.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA03929 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:09:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:52:26 +0200 From: Richard Atterer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Keyboard wrongly kbdconfig'ed Message-ID: <488079D9FF%atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: atterer@augsburg.baynet.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id DAA24980 Status: RO Content-Length: 1187 Lines: 36 In article Eduard Pfarr wrote: > I tried to install a German key map with Armlinux on a RiscPC. [snip] > Well, the keyboard layout didn't changed but since the next reboot (or > re-login?) all the keys have been mapped wrongly. So I can't type > anything. Funny. Me too! The supplied keymap files use PC low-level codes. I've adapted one to use the RiscPC codes. [Mailed it to Eduard.] > Is there a way to go back to the original key map, maybe with the > »!Linux - bootkernel« extra command line? I don't know - but why don't you boot from floppy disc and change the files back once the installer lets you? [snip] *HOWEVER*, even if you get a German keymap working, you'll find Alt doesn't have any effect under X... Lack of responses from Russell seems to suggest that changes to ARM X11 are required to fix this. :-| Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | \/¯| http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/ raFS V1.13 ¯ ´` ¯ ... RiscPC II - the best thing since sliced computers. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 5 00:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21186 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23615 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:12:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023612; Sat, 5 Sep 98 00:11:50 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14378 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6412-12618>; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:10:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154000-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:44:56 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1868 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154181-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:28:36 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zF3X9-00080X-00; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:36:43 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: memory mapping In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:08:53 +0200." <19980904130755Z154076-20230+282@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:36:43 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 335 Lines: 11 >The only buffered/cached combination that doesn't makes sense to me >would be unbuffered-cached, but i can not find if this combination is >explicitly disallowed. I think that translates to writethrough cached on architectures where that's supported. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 5 00:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA22180 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA23734 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:43:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023725; Sat, 5 Sep 98 00:43:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:13129 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10547-24585>; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:40:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153926-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from odalix.TeCNeT.DE ([192.129.5.112]:18574 "EHLO TeCNeT.DE" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154098-20230>; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:10:56 -0400 Received: from avh.ins-coin.de (ppp62.Ins-CoIn.DE [192.129.5.62]) by TeCNeT.DE (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03690; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:26:55 +0200 Message-ID: <004601bdd853$523c2340$3e0581c0@avh.ins-coin.de> From: "Michael Bruck" To: "ARMLinux mailing list" , "Stefan Hanske" Subject: Re: c++ libraries Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:28:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 23 >>does someone know what the more (most) recent versions of the c++ library >>set are??? The one I know of is libg++-2.7.2.8. > >Libgcc++ is basically obsolete. The up to date library is libstdc++ but I'm >not sure what the latest version is. Have a look at: for libstc++ http://www.cygnus.com/~ncm/stdlib.html for libg++ ftp://ftp.yggdrasil.com/private/hjl/libg++-2.8.1.2.tar.gz Micha unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 6 16:17:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06194 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA28189 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:17:11 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028187; Sun, 6 Sep 98 16:17:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22819 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5519-20769>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:15:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154240-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:52:42 -0400 Received: from nas5-4.thefree.net ([195.34.196.4]:1152 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154234-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:50:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA00635 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:02:32 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:02:31 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Cross-compiling Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.119 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 15 Can somebody who has managed to build a working cross-compiler from i586 Linux elf to ARM Linux a.out to compile the Linux-Brutus kernel please tell me what else I need besides gcc and binutils (Libc and Libc headers?) and where I can get them from. I've looked through ftp.arm.uk.linux.org and not found the Libc in there anywhere. I've also got the cross compiler to compile and appear to work (but it fails to link the kernel, with hundreds of missing symbol errors). Thanks a lot, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 6 17:27:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07062 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:27:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA28278 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:27:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028276; Sun, 6 Sep 98 17:27:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28496 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6556-20769>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:27:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154247-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:04:23 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1738 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154238-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:04:13 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA22691 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:26:02 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00722 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:24:29 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA04331 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:26:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199809061526.QAA04331@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Linus 2.1.120 for ARM (sources) released (bit early isn't it?) To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:26:36 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 837 Lines: 15 The Linux 2.1.120 kernel source patch is now on the FTP site for those who are interested. Linux 2.1.121/2.2 (whichever it may be) should contain some ARM updates from this patch (arch/arm, include/asm, drivers/acorn), so the patch size should shink a little soon. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 6 18:56:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA08174 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA28399 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 18:56:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028397; Sun, 6 Sep 98 18:56:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21616 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6702-278>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:56:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154259-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:33:15 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1138 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154258-29165>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:33:04 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA24081; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:55:09 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00825; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:06:46 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA04451; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:08:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199809061608.RAA04451@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Cross-compiling To: alex@linuxhacker.org (Alex Holden) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:08:50 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Alex Holden" at Sep 6, 98 03:02:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1241 Lines: 22 Alex Holden writes: > Can somebody who has managed to build a working cross-compiler from > i586 Linux elf to ARM Linux a.out to compile the Linux-Brutus kernel > please tell me what else I need besides gcc and binutils (Libc and Libc > headers?) and where I can get them from. > I've looked through ftp.arm.uk.linux.org and not found the Libc in there > anywhere. I've also got the cross compiler to compile and appear to work > (but it fails to link the kernel, with hundreds of missing symbol errors). Did you manage to get a libgcc.a from the compiler? If the symbols were like __umulsi, then it's probably not installed properly. Could you check this please? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | k unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 04:16:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA17005 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:16:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA29237 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 04:16:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029235; Mon, 7 Sep 98 04:16:24 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59457 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4056-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:16:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154376-9301>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:38:33 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:8832 "EHLO funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154494-9301>; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:08:03 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wpr7-98073117) with SMTP id KAA23263; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:33:25 +0900 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:35:18 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Cc: armlinux Subject: Success booting brutus-linux on angel1.02! Message-Id: <35F33856264.7566HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.14 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 694 Lines: 16 Hi, I can boot on angel1.02. But using uHAL library,"cardboot.axf" (in SAAapp.zip), from SRAM card (PCMCIA). Maybe can boot FLASH card(NOT ATA card. I don't try it). But not work yet. Stop at mmu setting at "head32.S" I think brutus-linux's memory mapping different from uHAL's memory mapping. Need change memory mapping, uHAL's memory mapping or Brutus-linux memory mapping. But I'm not angel expert, so I can't recognize arm-assembler yet. Does anyone have good idea, or another way? -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 15:49:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14463 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA30675 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:49:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma030672; Mon, 7 Sep 98 15:49:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5494 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3587-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:41:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154700-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:18:18 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:4972 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154913-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 05:51:11 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id OAA07141 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:17:27 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) id OAA09685 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:16:37 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:16:37 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809071216.OAA09685@poekie.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: cache flush on the sa110 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980907111346Z154700-28471+445@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 638 Lines: 17 I've started implementing the architecture which can access all 4GB PCI memory using the 21285. Among other things i had to relocate the SA-110 cache flush area (phys adr 0x50000000) this was mapped to 0xfd000000 on the ebsa-285 architecture. When i look at linux/arch/arm/mm/proc-sa110.S however i see the _sa110_flush_cache_all and the _sa110_switch_to functions use; ldr rx,=0xdf000000 To load the address for the cache flush. I was expecting to see; ldr rx,=0xfd000000 Can anyone explain why it uses 0xdf000000 ? (or is it just a typing error ?) Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 16:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16687 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA30870 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:59:15 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma030868; Mon, 7 Sep 98 16:58:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64034 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3413-31418>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:52:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153869-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:50:31 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:3291 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154738-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 06:44:47 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id PAA21821 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:58 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA09816 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:21 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809071310.PAA09816@poekie.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: flush area mapping X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980907122434Z153869-28471+547@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 6 The find/grep/less combination helped me out. It also appears in linux/include/asm/proc/mm-init.h I guess nobody would mind if i changed 0xdf000000 to SAFE_BASE (virtual address for SAFE_ADDR) Right ? Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 17:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18347 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:54:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA31036 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:54:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma031034; Mon, 7 Sep 98 17:54:34 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18704 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6438-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:46:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154540-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:24:51 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:16906 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154714-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:49:54 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG1zg-00074T-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:12 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG1ze-00076f-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:10 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cache flush on the sa110 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 14:16:37 +0200." <19980907111346Z154700-28471+445@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:10:09 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 12 >memory using the 21285. Among other things i had to relocate the SA-110 >cache flush area (phys adr 0x50000000) this was mapped to 0xfd000000 on >the ebsa-285 architecture. No it's not. What's mapped at 0xfd000000 is the PCI outbound write flush area at 0x78000000. The cache-flush area is set up by code in proc-armv/mm-init.h and is always at 0xdf000000 on all 32-bit architectures. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 18:04:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18515 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA31087 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa31083; Mon, 7 Sep 98 18:04:43 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22896 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3786-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:00:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154311-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:04:43 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:2254 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154748-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:11:13 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id QAA14011 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:37:35 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) id QAA09939 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:35:15 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:35:15 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809071435.QAA09939@poekie.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cache flush on the sa110 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980907133253Z154311-28471+632@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 375 Lines: 13 No it's not. What's mapped at 0xfd000000 is the PCI outbound write flush area at 0x78000000. The cache-flush area is set up by code in proc-armv/mm-init.h and is always at 0xdf000000 on all 32-bit architectures. p. Oops, my mistake. Can we make this architecture dependent ? Thanks, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 18:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18514 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA31086 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:04:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma031083; Mon, 7 Sep 98 18:04:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22896 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3865-7367> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:00:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153868-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from mty-egw1.avantel.com.mx ([200.33.230.4]:2944 "EHLO mty-egw1.avantel.com.mx" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154744-28471> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 08:10:17 -0400 Received: from mty-igw1.avantel.com.mx (root@localhost) by mty-egw1.avantel.com.mx with ESMTP id JAA01049 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mtymail.avantel.com.mx (mtymsfco01.icom.avantel.com.mx [172.24.2.4]) by mty-igw1.avantel.com.mx with SMTP id JAA01041 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:39:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mtymail.avantel.com.mx with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDDA43.14F645F0@mtymail.avantel.com.mx>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:37:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jesus Eugenio Sanchez To: "'support@chaltech.com'" , "'Neil A. Carson'" Cc: "'port-arm32@netbsd.org'" , "'linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu'" Subject: Trident PCI video card doesn't work with CATS Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:36:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id SAA18514 Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Lines: 20 I unplugged an old Trident (TGUI9680) video card and put it on my CATS board, but it doesn't seem to recognize the BIOS emu. Since it has a chip that says "Phoenix (C) 1994", I assume that on a normal PC, it bypasses the regular BIOS, and hence it wouldn't work with a non-x86 PC. (Am I wrong here?) I'll continue checking with other cards that I can steal^H^H^H^H^Hborrow from friends & relatives (my brother being an entomologist, he really doesn't care what darn card his computer is using, as long as he can read his email.) ---- Jesús Eugenio Sánchez Peña (eugenio.sanchez@avantel.com.mx) Avantel, S.A. x5868, v273-5868, (8) 153-5868 Bíper: 01-800-112-4737 cve. 8303075 Visit the OrderPro home page! http://eons_linux/orderpro unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 19:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19705 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:20:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA31244 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:20:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma031242; Mon, 7 Sep 98 19:20:41 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50017 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3295-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:20:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153907-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:25:38 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:18592 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154440-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:20:32 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG49Q-0007F2-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:28:24 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG49P-0008Ka-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:28:23 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: cache flush on the sa110 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 16:35:15 +0200." <19980907133253Z154311-28471+632@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 17:28:22 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 306 Lines: 10 >Oops, my mistake. Can we make this architecture dependent ? I don't see why not. I think the code in mm/proc-*.S is pretty much all that cares. You could move it to an arch/ include and mm-ebsa285 et al. if you wanted. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 19:56:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20125 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA31294 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:56:15 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma031292; Mon, 7 Sep 98 19:56:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:21341 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8869-31418>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:53:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153970-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:09:00 -0400 Received: from nas7-52.thefree.net ([195.34.196.180]:1077 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154012-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:44:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA00689; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:10:48 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:10:48 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-Reply-To: <199809061608.RAA04451@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.119 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 28 On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Alex Holden writes: > > Can somebody who has managed to build a working cross-compiler from > > i586 Linux elf to ARM Linux a.out to compile the Linux-Brutus kernel > > please tell me what else I need besides gcc and binutils (Libc and Libc > > headers?) and where I can get them from. > > I've looked through ftp.arm.uk.linux.org and not found the Libc in there > > anywhere. I've also got the cross compiler to compile and appear to work > > (but it fails to link the kernel, with hundreds of missing symbol errors). > > Did you manage to get a libgcc.a from the compiler? If the symbols > were like __umulsi, then it's probably not installed properly. Could > you check this please? I've attached a gzipped copy of 'nm libgcc.a', though I think the targets were set up wrong at the time when I made that one. Since I started messing around with the headers (I set up the links to the arm links in the linux-brutus kernel) I haven't been able to get it to compile again. Do I need the headers from the arm libc? If so, where can I get them from? Thanks a lot, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 7 21:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21607 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:50:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA31468 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:50:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma031466; Mon, 7 Sep 98 21:50:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8513 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9078-7367>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 22:48:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154282-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:38:32 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:45013 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154721-28471>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:21:40 -0400 Received: from [158.152.220.239] (helo=kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zG6Lc-0003Ej-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:49:09 +0000 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zG6Br-0001st-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:39:03 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alex Holden cc: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 18:10:48 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:39:03 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 10 >Do I need the headers from the arm libc? If so, where can I get them from? Basically yes (I imagine you can get them from the libc4-devel package which is probably on the ftp site) but you may be able to fudge things so it works by adding "#define inhibit_libc" to tconfig.h in the gcc build directory. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 04:59:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA27486 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA32133 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:59:18 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma032122; Tue, 8 Sep 98 04:58:57 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50540 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8583-10218>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:57:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154609-10761>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:01:57 -0400 Received: from BayArea56k473.NetWiz.Net ([208.164.208.73]:63304 "EHLO redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154824-10761>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:45:14 -0400 Received: (from ansel@localhost) by redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA27246; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:13:59 -0700 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? References: From: Ansel Sermersheim Date: 07 Sep 1998 16:13:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: Hugo Fiennes's message of "Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:41 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <8767ezcy8a.fsf@redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1251 Lines: 30 >>>>> "Hugo" == Hugo Fiennes writes: > On Wed 02 Sep, David Alan Gilbert wrote: >> I've seen a couple of times little PCB's padded out for an ARM >> taken to 0.1 spaced pins (albeit in a patttern unsuitable for a >> breadboard); a similar little PCB would do the trick. > (see my last message: the PCB we did expanded the pin layout to > about 4" square, meaning the pins were logically arranged and far > apart enough not to confuse too much :-) ). In browsing today, I found a QFP-to-PGA board. Can anybody confirm whether it would work with an ARM? It can be found as P.N. 96-208M50 on the top-middle of p 119 in the July-Sept 1998 DigiKey catalog. Once you have it out to PGA it should be a lot easier to deal with. These little guys aren't cheap ($51 in singles, $44 in 25+) but it's not insane like some QFP sockets. -Ansel -- I used to be convinced that MicroSquish shipped crap because they simply didn't give a flying fuck as long as the sheep kept buying their shit. Now, I'm convinced that they really do ship the best products they are capable of writing, and *that's* tragic. - John C. Randolph, about MS quality control. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 05:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA27542 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA32141 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 05:04:48 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma032139; Tue, 8 Sep 98 05:04:43 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:50540 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9079-10218>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 06:04:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154104-10761>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:03:00 -0400 Received: from nas9-17.thefree.net ([195.34.197.17]:1317 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154951-10761>; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA28181; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:33:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:33:06 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: Philip Blundell cc: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.119 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 963 Lines: 20 On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > >Do I need the headers from the arm libc? If so, where can I get them from? > Basically yes (I imagine you can get them from the libc4-devel package which > is probably on the ftp site) but you may be able to fudge things so it works > by adding "#define inhibit_libc" to tconfig.h in the gcc build directory. I suspected that was what the problem was, but unfortunately there seems to be nothing like libc-devel.rpm or libc4-devel.rpm anywhere on the arm.uk.linux.org ftp site (I assume there isn't another one I don't know about?). I'll try the define trick you suggested and let you know if it works tomorrow. Thanks, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 12:32:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11720 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:32:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA00419 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:32:17 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000417; Tue, 8 Sep 98 12:32:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42562 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8351-10218>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:28:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154549-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 03:01:49 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:56083 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154795-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 02:32:28 -0400 Received: from [158.152.18.182] (helo=picard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGJfo-0004yp-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:02:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:58:32 +0100 (BST) From: Hugo Fiennes Reply-To: Hugo Fiennes Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? To: Ansel Sermersheim cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <8767ezcy8a.fsf@redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Serial Port X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.50] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 686 Lines: 17 On Tue 08 Sep, Ansel Sermersheim wrote: > In browsing today, I found a QFP-to-PGA board. Can anybody confirm > whether it would work with an ARM? They *should* do, but remember you don't get a groundplane on these, as they're completely generic, and you can't mount decoupling close to the chip. Worth a try, though. I've used them for smaller chips, eg ethernet, and they work. www.wilmslow.co.uk (I think) also do them, sold by RS (http://rswww.com - strange address...) Hugo -- Disclaimer: "The contents of this albatross were measured by weight, not volume. Contents may have settled during transit." unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 20:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA28341 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:38:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA10931 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:38:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma010929; Tue, 8 Sep 98 20:38:44 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7227 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8579-1995>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:38:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154378-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:07:09 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:54805 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154947-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:22:46 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09355; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA19747; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:54:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:54:05 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Alex Holden Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 19 On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Alex Holden wrote: > I suspected that was what the problem was, but unfortunately there seems > to be nothing like libc-devel.rpm or libc4-devel.rpm anywhere on the > arm.uk.linux.org ftp site (I assume there isn't another one I don't know > about?). The package is named arm-aoutlibs-devel or something similar... Try that one. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 01:22:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02987 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA11479 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:22:17 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011477; Wed, 9 Sep 98 01:22:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37645 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8312-18720>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:21:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154334-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:49:35 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:1678 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154715-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:14:37 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:46:47 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.52] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:46:44 0000 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:05:35 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp Message-ID: Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 3015 Lines: 68 Thanks everybody for your help so far - I now have a statically compiled ld (confirmed with ldd) but unfortunately the linking still crashes. The error message is: [root@localhost app]# gcc -g -O2 -Wall -o gimp ../libgimp/libgimpi.a -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lglib /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.sa /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.sa -L/usr/lib -lm /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa4e8): multiple definition of `_re_search_2' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3455: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa5f4): multiple definition of `_re_search' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3419: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa630): multiple definition of `_re_match_2' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3715: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa6f0): multiple definition of `_re_match' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3670: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa720): multiple definition of `_re_set_syntax' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:956: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xa740): multiple definition of `_re_set_registers' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3392: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xab4c): multiple definition of `_re_compile_pattern' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:5397: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xabcc): multiple definition of `_re_compile_fastmap' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:3084: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xad74): multiple definition of `_regcomp' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:5531: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xaf34): multiple definition of `_regexec' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:5611: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xb1a0): multiple definition of `_regerror' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:5675: first defined here /usr/lib/libc.a(rx.o)(.text+0xb218): multiple definition of `_regfree' regex.o:/gimp-1.0.0/app/regex.c:5712: first defined here ld: memory violation at pc=0x00031700, lr=0x6001ba80 (bad address=0x00000004, code 3) gcc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal signal 11 This problem can be one of four things - I'm not sure which. Could anyone help me decipher this error? 1. The version of binutils that this ld is from (2.8) is incompatible with gcc version 2.7.2 - possible, but I wanted to check before downloading another 5Mb of Binutils 2.7. 2. Something is wrong with the libc file - unlikely as several other programs are linked to it. 3. Something is wrong with the gimp program itself, and it needs altering - I find this unlikely as well as I got the source from a friend who'd compiled it on 486 Linux with no problems. 4. Something else that I haven't thought of. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 23:09:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00873 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:09:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA11221 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:09:17 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011219; Tue, 8 Sep 98 23:09:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8230 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8534-18720>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:07:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154255-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:53:28 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]:3162 "EHLO relay3.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154176-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:50:56 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQffyv01959; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04535; Tue, 8 Sep 98 12:21:43 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA01892; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:22:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:22:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199809081622.MAA01892@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: agserm@netwizards.net Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? References: <8767ezcy8a.fsf@redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 10 > In browsing today, I found a QFP-to-PGA board. Can anybody confirm > whether it would work with an ARM? Be careful. There's PQFP, MQFP, TQFP... lots of "xxxQFP" packages of varying sizes. For any given pin count you might find several, the main difference being lead pitch. Check the package specs of the chip you want to hook up to see if there's a matching converter. paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 23:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01480 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA11294 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:55:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa11290; Tue, 8 Sep 98 23:55:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27143 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8821-18720>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:54:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154495-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:01:50 -0400 Received: from nas5-55.thefree.net ([195.34.196.55]:1126 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154931-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:40:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA23677; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:02:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:02:23 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: Philip Blundell cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.119 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1418 Lines: 27 On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Alex Holden wrote: > On Mon, 7 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > > >Do I need the headers from the arm libc? If so, where can I get them from? > > Basically yes (I imagine you can get them from the libc4-devel package which > > is probably on the ftp site) but you may be able to fudge things so it works > > by adding "#define inhibit_libc" to tconfig.h in the gcc build directory. > I suspected that was what the problem was, but unfortunately there seems > to be nothing like libc-devel.rpm or libc4-devel.rpm anywhere on the > arm.uk.linux.org ftp site (I assume there isn't another one I don't know > about?). > I'll try the define trick you suggested and let you know if it works > tomorrow. It seemed to partly work, if I edited the makefiles to stop objective C and some other things which needed the headers from being compiled, but I'm still having problems (and I will need the C library and headers anyway when I come around to compiling anything with it). Russell, do you know why the libc4 RPMs aren't on the FTP site (or if they are, could you point out where they are)? Thanks a lot, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 8 23:55:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA01481 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA11293 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:55:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011290; Tue, 8 Sep 98 23:55:20 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27143 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8330-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:51:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154341-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:01:32 -0400 Received: from nas5-55.thefree.net ([195.34.196.55]:1115 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154924-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:38:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA23756; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:07:03 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: Stefan Hanske cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.119 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 19 On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Stefan Hanske wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Alex Holden wrote: > > I suspected that was what the problem was, but unfortunately there seems > > to be nothing like libc-devel.rpm or libc4-devel.rpm anywhere on the > > arm.uk.linux.org ftp site (I assume there isn't another one I don't know > > about?). > The package is named arm-aoutlibs-devel or something similar... Try that one. Ah, I noticed that but thought it was a library for dealing with AOUT executables or something. I wonder why it isn't named libc-devel something? Thanks a lot, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 01:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03431 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:58:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA11548 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:58:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011546; Wed, 9 Sep 98 01:58:45 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34567 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8540-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:57:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154417-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1199 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154290-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:30:09 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zGSCl-00043m-00; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:09:27 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Alex Holden cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 18:02:23 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:09:27 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 12 >It seemed to partly work, if I edited the makefiles to stop objective C >and some other things which needed the headers from being compiled, but >I'm still having problems (and I will need the C library and headers Yeah, that's pretty much it. The inhibit_libc trick is useful for an initial bootstrap so that you can get enough of a compiler to build the C library but you will need a real libc sooner or later. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 22:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16551 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA22347 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:22:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022344; Sat, 12 Sep 98 22:22:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9160-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:18:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154509-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:42:48 -0400 Received: from marketto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.5]:1036 "HELO marketto.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154552-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:10:32 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by marketto.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:03:51 GMT To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: arm-linux@marketto.demon.co.uk (Theo Markettos) Subject: Re: Minimal ARM-Linux board? Reply-To: theomarkettos@letterbox.com In-Reply-To: <8767ezcy8a.fsf@redhawk.cerulean.dyn.ml.org> Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:17:06 +0100 Message-ID: <19980908.231706.55@marketto.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.42 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2501 Lines: 48 On 07 Sep 1998 16:13:57 -0700, agserm@netwizards.net said: > >>>>> "Hugo" == Hugo Fiennes writes: > > > On Wed 02 Sep, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > >> I've seen a couple of times little PCB's padded out for an ARM > >> taken to 0.1 spaced pins (albeit in a patttern unsuitable for a > >> breadboard); a similar little PCB would do the trick. > > > (see my last message: the PCB we did expanded the pin layout to > > about 4" square, meaning the pins were logically arranged and far > > apart enough not to confuse too much :-) ). If you're brave, you can build the equivalent of one of these boards, by just taking some cheap plain matrix board (like stripboard but without the strips - something like 3UKP per square foot), sticking pins into it and soldering wire-wrap wires between them and the chip pins. I've done it to a 100 pin QFP, with 0.65mm pitch 0.3mm wide leads. It's doable - I had to make a custom iron bit out of a thin piece of wire, which dissipated so much heat that lots of solder on the 25W iron end was needed to keep it up to temperature. It also takes _ages_, but if you don't have PCB production facilities it's the only way of doing it with bits lying around. The EMC and electrical properties of such an assembly are probably dire, but it works. > In browsing today, I found a QFP-to-PGA board. Can anybody confirm > whether it would work with an ARM? I don't see why not. One thing to be careful of is to make the distinction between EIAJ and JEDEC QFPs - they have the same name but sometimes a different layout. IIRC I'm using an EIAJ 100 pin QFP which has a 20x30 pinout, while I think the JEDEC version has a 25x25 pinout. Other places to try are Aries (www.aries.com IIRC) and Yakamichi (spelt wrongly). I tried Aries' UK distributor for the above 100 pin EIAJ QFP-PGA adaptor - they had it, but with a minimum order of 2 at something like 50 UKP each, and a lead time of 14 weeks from the States. Needless to say I didn't take them up on that... If anyone's interested, there was a bit of discussion on this on either comp.sys.arm or alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt a while back which might help (IIRC it was someone wanting a socket for a SA1100). Try Dejanews... -- Theo Markettos theomarkettos@letterbox.com Liphook Hampshire Web site, including Acorn backup software UK http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 07:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09791 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12129 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:54:18 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012126; Wed, 9 Sep 98 07:53:56 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9083-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:50:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154609-8316>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1588 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154623-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:45:53 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA20624; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:18:29 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02510; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:17:09 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01744; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:19:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199809082219.XAA01744@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Cross-compiling To: alex@linuxhacker.org (Alex Holden) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:19:06 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Alex Holden" at Sep 8, 98 06:02:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1851 Lines: 36 Alex Holden writes: > Russell, do you know why the libc4 RPMs aren't on the FTP site (or if > they are, could you point out where they are)? You want the arm-aout-libs package: src@raistlin:[linux]:<544> rpm -qi arm-aout-libs Name : arm-aout-libs Distribution: (none) Version : 1.0 Vendor: (none) Release : 1 Build Date: Sat Apr 05 16:22:26 1997 Install date: Sat Apr 26 21:51:53 1997 Build Host: raistlin Group : Libraries Source RPM: arm-aout-libs-1.0-1.src.rpm Size : 1059967 Summary : Linux C Librarys (libc) Description : These are the shared C Library, math library and curses libraries for Linux. src@raistlin:[linux]:<545> rpm -qi arm-aout-libs-devel Name : arm-aout-libs-devel Distribution: (none) Version : 4.6.27 Vendor: (none) Release : 1a4 Build Date: Sat May 31 18:24:02 1997 Install date: Sat May 31 18:29:53 1997 Build Host: raistlin Group : Development/Libraries Source RPM: arm-aout-libs-4.6.27-1a4.src.rpm Size : 6210074 Summary : Linux C Librarys for development Description : These are the development library stubs for Linux. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 07:54:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09790 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12130 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:54:19 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa12126; Wed, 9 Sep 98 07:53:57 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8648-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:51:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154623-8316>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:52:46 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1648 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154633-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:48:09 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA20650; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:20:54 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02517; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:19:33 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01757; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:21:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199809082221.XAA01757@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Cross-compiling To: alex@linuxhacker.org (Alex Holden) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:21:30 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Alex Holden" at Sep 8, 98 06:07:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 875 Lines: 16 Alex Holden writes: > Ah, I noticed that but thought it was a library for dealing with AOUT > executables or something. I wonder why it isn't named libc-devel > something? It's not just libc, but libcurses and libtermcap. It seemed right for it not to clash with any other libc's that may be produced. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 07:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA09622 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:42:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA12099 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:42:18 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012094; Wed, 9 Sep 98 07:42:11 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8341-18720>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:41:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154607-8316>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:51:32 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:6769 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153872-10761>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:41:17 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11390; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:13:59 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA02026; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:13:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for philb@gnu.org; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980909021409.F13051@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 02:14:09 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Alex Holden , Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Cross-compiling References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Alex Holden on Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 06:02:23PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1274 Lines: 28 On Tue, Sep 08, 1998 at 06:02:23PM +0100, Alex Holden wrote: > It seemed to partly work, if I edited the makefiles to stop objective C > and some other things which needed the headers from being compiled, but Tsk, in the section of the install notes about building a crosscompiler, it tells you to type `make LANGUAGES=c' which won't build Objective C or C++. > I'm still having problems (and I will need the C library and headers > anyway when I come around to compiling anything with it). Only if you're compiling userland stuff. Kernels _should_ build without any ordinary headers. > Russell, do you know why the libc4 RPMs aren't on the FTP site (or if > they are, could you point out where they are)? You could just copy them from your armlinux box. Remember to include not just /usr/include but also /usr/arm-unknown-linuxaout/include too - overwrite the ones from /usr/include with the others since they're looked for first. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 17:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16727 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA13892 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:22:49 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013888; Wed, 9 Sep 98 17:22:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19541 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8613-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:15:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154295-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:21:13 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:52762 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154546-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:16:38 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03269; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:51:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA23042; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:51:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:51:42 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Chris Sawer Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1560 Lines: 38 On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Chris Sawer wrote: > 1. The version of binutils that this ld is from (2.8) is incompatible with > gcc version 2.7.2 - possible, but I wanted to check before downloading > another 5Mb of Binutils 2.7. I wouldn't think so. I've done this too, and it worked great. > 2. Something is wrong with the libc file - unlikely as several other programs > are linked to it. Right. > 3. Something is wrong with the gimp program itself, and it needs altering - I > find this unlikely as well as I got the source from a friend who'd compiled > it on 486 Linux with no problems. It might be that gimp depends on the newer libc5 or libc6. Libc6 (= glibc2) is out now for testing, but I don't know if anybody has done testing for a.out. > 4. Something else that I haven't thought of. Try make clean and run the configure script again. It should determine what functions the libc provides by having a look at the header files. Perhaps there's an option that tells configure to turn off the regex from the package. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 02:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05429 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA14930 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:36:49 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014928; Thu, 10 Sep 98 02:36:45 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:44640 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8645-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:33:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153890-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:58:51 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:2179 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154891-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:39:21 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:15:32 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.70] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:15:31 0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:48:29 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp Message-ID: Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 710 Lines: 21 Thanks Vidar for your message explaining about regex.o - I removed it from the list of files to link, and this cures the multiple definition problem, but unfortunately ld still crashes with this error: ld: memory violation at pc=0x00031700, lr=0x6001ba80 (bad address=0x00000004, code 3) gcc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal signal 11 Does anyone understand this, or shall I just try compiling a different version of ld? Thanks in advance, Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 18:53:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19647 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:53:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA14103 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:53:19 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014101; Wed, 9 Sep 98 18:52:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51280 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9021-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:52:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154264-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:05:08 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:63236 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154857-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:40:25 -0400 Received: from [212.228.115.167] (helo=breezeholme.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zGlyS-0004TR-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:16:01 +0000 Received: from nexus.breezeholme.demon.co.uk (root@nexus.breezeholme.demon.co.uk [172.16.0.1]) by breezeholme.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01165 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:16:15 +0100 Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by nexus.breezeholme.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01836 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:13:30 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:13:29 +0100 (BST) From: Robert A Fox Reply-To: Robert A Fox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Installing ARM-Linux on an A440/1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1339 Lines: 32 I have an Acorn A440/1 that I am trying to install ARM-Linux on. I have downloaded a kernel from www.treblig.demon.co.uk, and I have built a root filesystem for it on a partition on an Intel Linux computer, and exported it using NFS. I can load and run the kernel with the correct root, nfsroot and nfsaddrs parameters to make it access the root partition on the PC, but immediately after the 'VFS: mounted root' message, it prints the error message: init: memory violation PC=0xa0c00470 LR=0xa000bb24 (Bad address=0x00c00470, code 5) This is printed over and over until the computer is rebooted, and there is constant network activity that tcpdump reports as 'nfs lookup'. I have tried using 'init=/bin/ash' to bypass init but the problem persists, only now LR=0x00c00470. If I try init='/sbin/init -b' no error message is printed, but the network activity remains. I have the SCSI hard disk partitioned using scsidm, as 100MB for RISC OS (sda1) and ~900MB for Linux, of which almost all will be for the root partition (sda3), and 32MB will be for swap (sda4). I cannot run mke2fs and mkswap to initialise the Linux partitions. I assume that the problem is that I have 4MB of RAM and no swap space. Can anyone offer any suggestions? Thanks Robert unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 9 20:09:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22842 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA14254 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:09:49 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014252; Wed, 9 Sep 98 20:09:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55085 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8190-20459>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:04:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154106-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:17:12 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:27073 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154597-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:11:28 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13968; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:47:13 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA17434; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:47:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:47:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980909194723.K13051@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:47:23 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Stefan Hanske , Chris Sawer Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Stefan Hanske on Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 02:51:42PM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1050 Lines: 21 On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 02:51:42PM +0200, Stefan Hanske wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Chris Sawer wrote: > > > 1. The version of binutils that this ld is from (2.8) is incompatible with > > gcc version 2.7.2 - possible, but I wanted to check before downloading > > another 5Mb of Binutils 2.7. > > I wouldn't think so. I've done this too, and it worked great. I suddenly thought... ld 2.8? Would that be plain ordinary GNU binutils 2.8? Or is it one of the ones which has PhilB's hacks in? ie 2.8.1.0.15 or 2.8.1.0.23? Actually, there's even a 2.9.1.0.7 out now. See your nearest mirror of sunsite.unc.edu (you don't want to pull it transatlantic..) and look at /pub/Linux/GCC/release.binutils-2.9.1.0.7 -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 03:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA06349 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:12:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA15009 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:12:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015007; Thu, 10 Sep 98 03:12:00 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25368 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3804-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:08:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154192-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:11:13 -0400 Received: from mail2.thefree.net ([195.34.192.5]:3695 "HELO mail2.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154226-8316>; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:17:11 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net [195.34.192.14] by mail2.thefree.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC9ED416016E; Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:01:18 +0d00 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:52:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.27] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Wed, 09 Sep 1998 21:52:10 0000 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:43:24 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp Message-ID: <7db2118348%root@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <19980909194723.K13051@genedata.com> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2036 Lines: 46 In message <19980909194723.K13051@genedata.com> Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Wed, Sep 09, 1998 at 02:51:42PM +0200, Stefan Hanske wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, Chris Sawer wrote: > > > > > 1. The version of binutils that this ld is from (2.8) is incompatible > > > with gcc version 2.7.2 - possible, but I wanted to check before > > > downloading another 5Mb of Binutils 2.7. > > > > I wouldn't think so. I've done this too, and it worked great. > > I suddenly thought... ld 2.8? Would that be plain ordinary GNU binutils > 2.8? Or is it one of the ones which has PhilB's hacks in? ie 2.8.1.0.15 or > 2.8.1.0.23? Actually, there's even a 2.9.1.0.7 out now. See your nearest > mirror of sunsite.unc.edu (you don't want to pull it transatlantic..) and > look at /pub/Linux/GCC/release.binutils-2.9.1.0.7 It's version 2.8 with the patch from the ftp site applied - I didn't think it would work without this. I've tried 2.9.1 (yes, I know I'm mad on a 28.8 modem) which compiled but running ld from this release claimed that my .o files were in an unrecognized format. See my earlier posting about the fact that it isn't regex.o that's actually causing the problems. While I'm posting I may as well mention that typing ./configure in the gimp's directory doesn't work with the new ld installed - when it gets to the bit where it checks whether or not gcc is working, it claims it isn't. Could this be related? Out of interest, does anyone know when a stable release of elf is going to be ready? a.out doesn't seem to support shared libraries terribly well and as the gimp uses loads of plugins, each plugin file is huge. The total gimp directory on my hard disc is over 300Mb (ouch!) - all from a 5Mb source. Any help much appreciated, Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 13:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23959 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:06:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA16159 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:06:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016157; Thu, 10 Sep 98 13:06:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:65329 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3776-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:57:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154222-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:49:05 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:20091 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154453-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:45:43 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zH2Jz-0002EU-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:43:19 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zH2Jx-0008F4-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:43:17 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Hiroshi Ishii cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Where is include file for ELF ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:24:41 +0900." <35F72A5923A.14E4HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:43:17 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 10 >Where is include file for ELF ? I want to create >cross-compiler for elf-binary. But need include file for >ELF. Which include file in particular? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 12:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23203 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16129 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:50:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016127; Thu, 10 Sep 98 12:50:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34112 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7100-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:37:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153955-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:26:44 -0400 Received: from [210.154.37.2] ([210.154.37.2]:26119 "EHLO funai-tky.co.jp" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154245-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 02:31:01 -0400 Received: from hiropu ([192.168.1.19]) by funai-tky.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7Wpr7-98073117) with SMTP id SAA00635; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:10:14 +0900 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:11:58 +0900 From: Hiroshi Ishii To: Philip Blundell Cc: armlinux Subject: Re: Where is include file for ELF ? In-Reply-To: References: <35F72A5923A.14E4HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> Message-Id: <35F797DE131.14E7HIROSHI@mail.funai-tky.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24.14 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 635 Lines: 22 On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:43:17 +0100 Philip Blundell wrote: > >Where is include file for ELF ? I want to create > >cross-compiler for elf-binary. But need include file for > >ELF. > > Which include file in particular? > > p. > If I use include file for "aout", can I make cross-compiler for ELF? Can I Make cross-compiler for ELF by Same include file(aout, elf)? And, which version everyone use gcc, binutils? -------------------------------------- Funai Electric Engineering Co.,LTD -Hiroshi Ishii unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 16:59:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06809 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16797 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:59:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016794; Thu, 10 Sep 98 16:58:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36429 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8474-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:57:32 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154303-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:19:17 -0400 Received: from hme0.serv1.is1.u-net.net ([195.102.240.129]:56564 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154225-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:18:57 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zH89U-0003os-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:56:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:45:06 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.ritgers.edu Subject: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Message-ID: <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1529 Lines: 33 I'm trying to find some reletively simple answers about my version of ARMLinux I installed over the weekend. It is the latest version from the ARMLinux ftp site. It's running on a RPC600 with a 610 ARM processor. I apologise if this is written somewhere, but it does't appear to be in the FAQ. I fear I'm on a fast learning curve over the next few weeks. The kernal I have does not appear to support PPP, is this actually a problem with the kernel or with PPP? My CDROM doesn't appear to work. I have a program in !Boot....Predesk called !BootIDECD which claims it is SLCD CDROM s/ware. The drive is a 2x Panasonic on a Cumana IDE drive (via a special circuit). It RMEnsures cdfsdrive 2.20 and .islcd_2 whatever they are. Can off the shelf applications work, or do they need a lot of hacking. I'm interested in: KDE, KDE Office, Netscape and some sort of spreadsheet. Our main office is moving to Linux in the new year on Intel machines, so I want to try and remain compatible. I have got a Linux book but it is Intel related (I think for RedHat 5.0 on the CD). Will the RPMS of the CD work? -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 14:17:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06483 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16355 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16351; Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:17:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40770 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6517-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:50:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154111-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:46:13 -0400 Received: from server1.gts.cz ([194.213.32.2]:5529 "EHLO server1.gts.cz" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154567-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:18:51 -0400 Received: from albireo.ucw.cz (root@albireo.ucw.cz [62.168.0.10]) by server1.gts.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24905 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:56:05 +0200 Received: (from mj@localhost) by albireo.ucw.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01125; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:24 +0200 Message-ID: <19980910123724.65055@albireo.ucw.cz> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:24 +0200 From: Martin Mares To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 13 Hello, When reading the 2.1.121 patch, I noticed that arch/arm/config.in asks for the CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT, which is a i386-only feature handled in arch/i386/boot/video.S. Is it just a cut-and-paste style bug or is there some deep reason behind it? Have a nice fortnight -- Martin `MJ' Mares http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mj/ Faculty of Math and Physics, Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep., Earth "This message transmited on 100% recycled electrons." unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 14:17:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06482 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16354 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:17:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016351; Thu, 10 Sep 98 14:17:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40770 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6362-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:49:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154142-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:46:21 -0400 Received: from server1.gts.cz ([194.213.32.2]:5535 "EHLO server1.gts.cz" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154566-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:18:47 -0400 Received: from albireo.ucw.cz (root@albireo.ucw.cz [62.168.0.10]) by server1.gts.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24912 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:56:06 +0200 Received: (from mj@localhost) by albireo.ucw.cz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01132; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: <19980910124031.06041@albireo.ucw.cz> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:40:31 +0200 From: Martin Mares To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: 2.1.121 PCI changes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 16 Hello, I noticed that the ARM patch in 2.1.121 enables PCI_COMMAND_MASTER for all devices. This should not be needed since all drivers need to handle enabling the master bit themselves or just call generic pci_setup_master() since other architectures don't do automatic enabling anyway (once upon a time I tried to add it to generic code, but this attempt has failed miserably since there exists broken hardware [usually designed by Sun] which gets totally confused when someone tries to set its PCI_COMMAND_MASTER bit). Have a nice fortnight -- Martin `MJ' Mares http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mj/ Faculty of Math and Physics, Charles University, Prague, Czech Rep., Earth "return(ECRAY); /* Program exited before being run */" unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 16:59:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06810 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:59:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA16798 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:59:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16794; Thu, 10 Sep 98 16:59:00 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36429 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8446-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:30:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154204-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:52:17 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:1086 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154406-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:37:29 -0400 Received: from tiddles.oregan.net (tiddles.oregan.net [195.173.86.18]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00406 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:15:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:07:22 +0100 From: Phil Norman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Message-ID: <4bc86b8348%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> In-Reply-To: <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> X-Organization: Xania X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1922 Lines: 41 In message <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> Rob Davis wrote: > My CDROM doesn't appear to work. I have a program in !Boot....Predesk > called !BootIDECD which claims it is SLCD CDROM s/ware. The drive is a 2x > Panasonic on a Cumana IDE drive (via a special circuit). It RMEnsures > cdfsdrive 2.20 and .islcd_2 whatever they are. The CDROMs with the daughter boards are not supported. I have tried to get docs from Cumana so I could hack support into the kernel, but unfortunately they've 'lost' the relevant information. > Can off the shelf applications work, or do they need a lot of hacking. > I'm interested in: KDE, KDE Office, Netscape and some sort of > spreadsheet. Large applications require ELF (linux's shared library/run-time linking system), simply because otherwise they run out of memory. I won't go into the details now. Your vanilla armlinux installation does not contain ELF support, so you may want to sort that out at some point. However, be warned; It's not something that's easy to do unless you know how. You won't be able to simply install normal applications as they are distributed, since binaries built for a PC will simply not run on an ARM. You'll need to recompile. > Our main office is moving to Linux in the new year on Intel machines, > so I want to try and remain compatible. I have got a Linux book > but it is Intel related (I think for RedHat 5.0 on the CD). Will > the RPMS of the CD work? No, because the binaries are built for i386 (horrible things ;-). Also, you won't be able to build RedHat 5 SRPMs (the Source RPMs), or at least not without hacking, since RedHat 5 requires ELF support. Not sure about your PPP problem - it has come up before though, so try leafing through the mailing list archive, which I STR is on ftp.barnet.ac.uk somewhere. Phil unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 18:00:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA20931 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA16982 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:00:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016979; Thu, 10 Sep 98 17:59:47 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30988 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3971-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:05:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154359-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:19:23 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:42456 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154423-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:01:41 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08227; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA23248; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:29 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:39:28 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Chris Sawer Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Compiling the Gimp In-Reply-To: <7db2118348%root@usa.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1365 Lines: 28 On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Chris Sawer wrote: > It's version 2.8 with the patch from the ftp site applied - I didn't think it > would work without this. I've tried 2.9.1 (yes, I know I'm mad on a 28.8 > modem) which compiled but running ld from this release claimed that my .o > files were in an unrecognized format. Have you configured and compiled them for arm-linuxaout?? > While I'm posting I may as well mention that typing ./configure in the gimp's > directory doesn't work with the new ld installed - when it gets to the bit > where it checks whether or not gcc is working, it claims it isn't. Could this > be related? Check the file config.log, it should contain some more helpful messages. Look out for messages like 'unrecognized format' or '-lc not found' which mean that ld was unable to load the a.out libraries. Cure: see above. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 19:24:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22907 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA17162 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:23:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017160; Thu, 10 Sep 98 19:23:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55088 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3575-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:44:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154102-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:05:03 -0400 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.50.25]:37327 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154467-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:49:43 -0400 Received: from eepc142.ee.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m0zH9Zh-0001ixC; Thu, 10 Sep 98 17:28 BST Message-Id: From: "Andy Dachs" To: Subject: ARM Linux in space? Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:25:51 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1643 Lines: 41 Hi, We're planning to fly an ARM processor on a nano-satellite (about 20cm cube) which is being built as a student project. Writing new flight software is a problem so we'd like to reuse code from our other spacecraft which run a commercial POSIX RTOS. It seems a perfect opportunity to try out and demonstrate Linux. We will be building our own (reasonably) radiation tolerant hardware based on the Mitel Butterfly processor. Logically the hardware is quite simple as it won't have any display, ethernet or hard disks. We will have two serial ports and, hopefully, two hdlc channels. The memory size still has to be determined but is likely to be quite limited: either 2 or 4Mb. My plan is to build a gcc cross-compiler so that we can get started by making standalone binaries. Then I'd like to get ARM Linux running with console I/O on one of the serial ports. I'm still on the first step and have a whole heap of questions. I got binutils-2.7 and gcc-2.7.2.2 to compile (--target=arm-aout --prefix=/usr/local) on my Slackware 3.4 i586 box but am not sure which libraries to use (newlib, glib or none at all). How does the cross-compiler co-exist with my installed gcc? Would egcs be a better bet? Is a.out the best option? What problems am I likely to encounter when getting ARM Linux to run? Help or advice from anyone who has done something similar (or is just interested) would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Andy -------------------------------------- Andy Dachs Email: a.dachs@usa.net Web: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/EE/CSER/UOSAT/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 20:15:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23749 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:15:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA17242 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:15:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017240; Thu, 10 Sep 98 20:15:03 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62825 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8639-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:08:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154012-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:15:51 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:34376 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154105-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:34:16 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHBD6-0005Eq-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:12:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:54:56 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Printers Message-ID: Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 17 What device is the printer on? lp, lp0 lp1? On a Risc PC, 2.0.35. I had it on lp1, but it complained I didn't have a daemon running. Also, what INet tools do people use? I'm looking for something under X. Thanks... -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 20:08:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23697 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA17224 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:08:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017222; Thu, 10 Sep 98 20:08:26 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62825 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9091-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:01:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154608-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:51:39 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:3837 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154273-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:30:15 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHACT-00034z-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:08:05 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHACQ-0006qm-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:08:02 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Andy Dachs" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:25:51 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:08:02 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 21 >I'm still on the first step and have a whole heap of questions. I got >binutils-2.7 and gcc-2.7.2.2 to compile (--target=arm-aout You want --target=arm-linuxaout actually. arm-aout is for ARM standalone systems and the binaries won't run on Linux. >libraries to use (newlib, glib or none at all). How does the >cross-compiler co-exist with my installed gcc? Would egcs be a better bet? The cross compiler installs itself in /usr/arm-linuxaout/... and as arm-linuxaout-gcc. EGCS is probably less buggy than the old 2.7.2.2 so you certainly might consider changing. >Is a.out the best option? It's more proven, yes. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 21:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24987 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:43:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA17410 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:42:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017408; Thu, 10 Sep 98 21:42:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11880 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3323-28703>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:40:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154076-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:34:03 -0400 Received: from mail2.thefree.net ([195.34.192.5]:3226 "HELO mail2.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154537-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:42:29 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net [195.34.192.14] by mail2.thefree.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.04) id AC14E8B9016E; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:27:48 +0d00 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:18:32 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.196.48] (SLmail 3.1.2890 (Bellatrix Beta 2)); Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:18:30 0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:09:54 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Cc: rob.davis@oaci.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2071 Lines: 49 In message <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> Rob Davis wrote: > The kernal I have does not appear to support PPP, is this actually > a problem with the kernel or with PPP? The precompiled kernels from the internet are only really designed to get you started with Linux. It is best to compile your own kernel fairly soon as you can then include ppp support, printer support, etc. My website (for address see my sig) has quite a bit of information about compiling kernels and getting ppp working. Just don't try downloading the precompiled GXEdit, as my connection crashed half way through the upload. > My CDROM doesn't appear to work. I have a program in !Boot....Predesk > called !BootIDECD which claims it is SLCD CDROM s/ware. The drive is > a 2x Panasonic on a Cumana IDE drive (via a special circuit). It RMEnsures > cdfsdrive 2.20 and .islcd_2 whatever they are. Sorry, I don't have enough power in my Risc PC to connect my CD Rom and both hard drives (my second one has some of Linux on) so I can't help with this. > Can off the shelf applications work, or do they need a lot of hacking. > I'm interested in: KDE, KDE Office, Netscape and some sort of > spreadsheet. Almost everything needs to be recompiled - unless there is a specific ArmLinux version, like distributed.net's RC5DES client. KDE needs the QT libraries, which I don't think work with a.out (they may need elf - see Phil Norman's post). Netscape may work using Lesstif (it is designed for use with a commercial library called Motif, and Lesstif [http://www.lesstif.org/] is a freeware replacement. I haven't managed to get this to work, though, let alone Mozilla. Hope my rantings (and website) are of some help - I haven't been using Linux that long myself, so I'm still learning a lot. Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 10 22:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25832 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:22:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA17470 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:22:29 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017468; Thu, 10 Sep 98 22:22:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57869 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8719-9976>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:18:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153862-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:38:58 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1398 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154647-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:57:12 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zHBQr-0007kJ-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:27:01 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rob.davis@oaci.org cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Printers In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:54:56 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:27:00 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 301 Lines: 13 >What device is the printer on? lp, lp0 lp1? "dmesg" will tell you. My guess would be lp1 or maybe lp2. >Also, what INet tools do people use? I'm looking for >something under X. What are you looking for exactly? p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 10:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA09348 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:36:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18702 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:36:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018700; Fri, 11 Sep 98 10:36:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:58384 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6730-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:32:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153880-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:20:20 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:62600 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153999-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:14:18 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA20630 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:58:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:26:43 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: <4e838e8348%root@armaxess.swol.de> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 544 Lines: 17 Hello, I'm looking for a GUI for Armlinux. I want to work on Armlinux as user, not as guru. :-) When will we be able to run KDE or Gnome on Armlinux? Russell, would you mind to put your beta (or such) Gnome compilations to the public? So that users could get an idea of how to use it later, when it's stable? Would people who have KDE partly running like to make their compilations to the public? Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 01:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00335 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:38:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA17822 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:38:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017820; Fri, 11 Sep 98 01:38:41 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:49505 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3240-6975>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:38:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154644-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:26:55 -0400 Received: from hme0.serv1.is1.u-net.net ([195.102.240.129]:63264 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154694-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:18:59 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) id 0zHFfy-0006O4-00; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:58:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:01:41 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: glennr@es.co.nz Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Message-ID: <4535978348%rob@oac.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <1b9a838348%glennr@goata.es.co.nz> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 33 In message <1b9a838348%glennr@goata.es.co.nz> Glenn Ramsey wrote: > Hi Rob, > > On 10 Sep, you wrote: > > > The kernal I have does not appear to support PPP, is this > > actually a problem with the kernel or with PPP? > > It's not a problem it just hasn't been supplied in the > precompiled version. I don't know if things have changed > now, but when I wanted ppp support I had to download the > kernel source and compile it myself. Several people have > asked this question in the past and it has been suggested > that the modules be supplied on the ftp site, but I guess > that Russell has enough on his plate already. I got the modules from the Armlinux site and un tar'd them in the / directory. PPP now works... Yippee. Lynx is an interesting browser... I noticed from the screen shots on the website that a browser called chimera could be used. Is this available as a pre-compiled program (Does anyone want to do instructions? Or are they out there?) -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 09:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07948 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:21:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA18561 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:21:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018559; Fri, 11 Sep 98 09:21:18 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36876 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6416-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:20:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153944-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:18:53 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:39585 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153960-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:59:04 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHNrg-0007nY-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:43:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:06:52 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Printers Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 853 Lines: 23 In message Philip Blundell wrote: > >What device is the printer on? lp, lp0 lp1? > > "dmesg" will tell you. My guess would be lp1 or maybe lp2. > > >Also, what INet tools do people use? I'm looking for > >something under X. > > What are you looking for exactly? A Browser, Nice Email Client that can handle folders, News Reader (Online Pref). -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 04:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA02707 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:37:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA18102 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:37:01 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018098; Fri, 11 Sep 98 04:36:41 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47896 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8939-6975>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 05:34:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154554-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:36:54 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:1807 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154833-8316>; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 17:33:02 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17888; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:14:14 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00843; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 02:14:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Ian@eh.org; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:14:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980911041414.W13051@genedata.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:14:14 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: Ian@eh.org Subject: install without repartitioning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 628 Lines: 13 For those who'd like to try installing on their Acorn without repartitioning their hard drives, there's an initrd and some extremely rough notes about booting with it. I'll pad this out over the next few days, probably. This has basically been released for Ian Jeffray cos he needed it ;-) -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 10:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08569 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:00:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA18649 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:00:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018647; Fri, 11 Sep 98 10:00:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:23561 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7038-6975>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:57:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153927-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:03:32 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:12865 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154032-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:57:10 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18600; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:41:36 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08260; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Ian@eh.org; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:41:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980911114148.X13051@genedata.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:41:48 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Matthew Wilcox , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: Ian@eh.org Subject: Re: install without repartitioning References: <19980911041414.W13051@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <19980911041414.W13051@genedata.com>; from Matthew Wilcox on Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 04:14:14AM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 13 On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 04:14:14AM +0200, Matthew Wilcox wrote: memo. do not send email at 2am. you will forget important things like telling people where it is. http://www.genedata.com/~mrw/armlinux/initrd/ -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 18:57:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22499 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19814 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:57:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019811; Fri, 11 Sep 98 18:57:20 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30482 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6604-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:32:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154152-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:30:50 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:61264 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154154-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:05:42 -0400 Received: from [158.152.208.192] (helo=causality.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHVVy-0006Dx-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: <35F8F4CE.2BB69F8@causality.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:00:46 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Dachs CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 564 Lines: 17 Andy Dachs wrote: > We will be building our own (reasonably) radiation tolerant hardware based > on the Mitel Butterfly processor. Logically the hardware is quite simple > as it won't have any display, ethernet or hard disks. We will have two > serial ports and, hopefully, two hdlc channels. The memory size still has > to be determined but is likely to be quite limited: either 2 or 4Mb. Kahum kahum. I thought the Mitel Butterfly doesn't have an MMU? Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 15:39:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17444 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:39:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA19360 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:39:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019356; Fri, 11 Sep 98 15:39:24 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22561 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6899-6975>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:23:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153890-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:36:01 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:31647 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153879-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:35:40 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19322 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:22:46 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16649 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:22:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980911172258.Y13051@genedata.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:22:58 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: t-shirts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 661 Lines: 13 We need ARMLinux t-shirts. Preferably in time for Acorn World. I'm going to run around and find some prices this weekend. if anyone has a design they'd like me to consider printing, then I'd like to see it on a web page somewhere. By default, I'm going to use Larry Ewing's penguin with an ARM Powered logo on its belly. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 18:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22500 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19815 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:57:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa19811; Fri, 11 Sep 98 18:57:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30482 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6618-6975>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:43:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154232-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:40:17 -0400 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([131.227.50.25]:50325 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154241-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:20:27 -0400 Received: from eepc142.ee.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m0zHVk3-0001YIC; Fri, 11 Sep 98 17:08 BST Message-Id: From: "Andy Dachs" To: "Neil A. Carson" Cc: Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:05:58 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 17 > > Kahum kahum. I thought the Mitel Butterfly doesn't have an MMU? > Ahem, well yes. That's what you get for skim reading the datasheet- a misinterpretation of the difference between a memory control unit and a memory management unit :-( This is of course worse news for the guys doing the hardware. We had initially been hoping for the StrongArm but the Butterfly design has already been done and so we had to live with that. If anyone could point us to a reference design for the StrongArm or 7110 the situation may be rescuable. Andy unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 19:47:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23646 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA19908 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:47:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019906; Fri, 11 Sep 98 19:46:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:34602 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6278-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:41:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153912-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:40:30 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]:4735 "EHLO relay1.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154243-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:15:47 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQfgka12851; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25312; Fri, 11 Sep 98 13:03:08 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA27868; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:03:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:03:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199809111703.NAA27868@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: a.dachs@usa.net Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1220 Lines: 25 >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Dachs writes: Andy> ... Andy> We had initially been hoping for the StrongArm but the Andy> Butterfly design has already been done and so we had to live Andy> with that. If anyone could point us to a reference design for Andy> the StrongArm or 7110 the situation may be rescuable. You might look at the EBSA-285 card (Strongarm SA110 with 21285 system control chip). That's an eval board so it may not directly fit your needs as is, but it is very close to what you specified. About the only thing it lacks is dual serial ports (it has only one). But it has a simple slave I/O bus ("X-bus") that could easily handle a small daughtercard with the missing comms stuff. Come to think of it, I understand that the original developers build such a thing (because the first protos of the 21285 didn't have a working serial port) using standard 16550 style UARTs. The board is a mid-size PCI card, but if you wanted to build a custom design based on it, you should be able to make it fit on half that size. The thing comes complete with full design files, so you can cut & paste at will... paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 20:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24441 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:45:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA20023 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:45:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020021; Fri, 11 Sep 98 20:44:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35166 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6812-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:41:05 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154152-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:42:43 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:50900 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154316-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:28:28 -0400 Received: from [158.152.208.192] (helo=causality.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHXkc-0004v2-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:16:54 +0000 Message-ID: <35F969F0.8780D9F@causality.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:20:32 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Koning CC: a.dachs@usa.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? References: <199809111703.NAA27868@tonga.xedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 819 Lines: 20 Paul Koning wrote: > You might look at the EBSA-285 card (Strongarm SA110 with 21285 system > control chip). That's an eval board so it may not directly fit your > needs as is, but it is very close to what you specified. About the > only thing it lacks is dual serial ports (it has only one). But it > has a simple slave I/O bus ("X-bus") that could easily handle a small > daughtercard with the missing comms stuff. Come to think of it, I > understand that the original developers build such a thing (because > the first protos of the 21285 didn't have a working serial port) using > standard 16550 style UARTs. Yep, they did. The CATS at www.chaltech.com also has two serial ports. Though it might not fit :) Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 22:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16552 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA22348 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:22:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa22344; Sat, 12 Sep 98 22:22:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8180-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:19:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154517-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:43:16 -0400 Received: from marketto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.5]:1037 "HELO marketto.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154554-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:10:42 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by marketto.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:04:12 GMT To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: arm-linux@marketto.demon.co.uk (Theo Markettos) Subject: Re: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Reply-To: theomarkettos@letterbox.com In-Reply-To: <4bc86b8348%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:03:12 +0100 Message-ID: <19980911.210312.51@marketto.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.42 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1929 Lines: 38 On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:07:22 +0100, phil@oregan.net said: > In message <4ac5538348%rob@oac.u-net.com> > Rob Davis wrote: > > > My CDROM doesn't appear to work. I have a program in !Boot....Predesk > > called !BootIDECD which claims it is SLCD CDROM s/ware. The drive is a 2x > > Panasonic on a Cumana IDE drive (via a special circuit). It RMEnsures > > cdfsdrive 2.20 and .islcd_2 whatever they are. > > The CDROMs with the daughter boards are not supported. I have tried to get > docs from Cumana so I could hack support into the kernel, but unfortunately > they've 'lost' the relevant information. They were equally unhelpful when I tried to get the info out of them. I've been trying for some time to hack one of these drives (a Panasonic CR562) to make into an audio CD player. I know what the command set is, the pinout, ISA bus mapping for a Soundblaster interface it connects to, and the SWI interface to Cumana's CDFSSoftISLCD. Unfortunately the two main links in the chain (how the daughter board works and what the electrical interface to the drive is) have so far eluded me, so I haven't been able to make the drive do anything useful outside a Risc PC. What I do know can be found at http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/electronics/panasoniccd.html There is already a Linux driver for these Panasonic drives - there's a link on my page. If someone can hack the daughterboard, then it should be fairly simple to write a driver. If anyone wants to try writing a driver, let me know. I can't help with code, as I haven't the faintest idea about fiddling with the Linux kernel, but I might be able to help otherwise. -- Theo Markettos theomarkettos@letterbox.com Liphook Hampshire Web site, including Acorn backup software UK http://www.marketto.demon.co.uk/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 23:02:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26290 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:02:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20267 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:02:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020265; Fri, 11 Sep 98 23:01:56 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19819 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6152-6134> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:59:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154287-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:06:05 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:33319 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154424-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:27:02 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA19086 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:15:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:11:08 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: How to run (ELF?) Armlinux bins? Message-ID: <10ec108448%root@armaxess.swol.de> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id XAA26290 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 571 Lines: 16 Hallo again, Thanks to some nice people I've got some Armlinux binaries now (coming from a Netwinder ). If I try to run them - with kernel 2.035 on a StrongARM RiscPC600 - Linux reports: »Exec failed: Exec format error«. Am I right in assuming they're in ELF format but my (Acorn Arm-) Linux doesn't want to run this? How do I make Linux to exec them...? Is there any advice in how to continue? If so: Thanks in advance! Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 23:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26505 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:19:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20304 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:19:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020302; Fri, 11 Sep 98 23:19:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19819 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6341-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:16:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154343-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:08:55 -0400 Received: from jeffray.demon.co.uk ([193.237.58.117]:1109 "EHLO jeffray.demon.co.uk" ident: "ian") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154494-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (ian@localhost) by jeffray.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA01154 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:46:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:46:44 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Jeffray Reply-To: ian@jeffray.demon.co.uk To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: acornscsi In-Reply-To: <199809031925.UAA01081@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 490 Lines: 16 Hi all, I've got a new 2.0.35 kernel running on the A540 (at last, thanks all!) but even when I turn off NO_WRITE on the acorn scsi I get command incomplete errors... command 0xa0, result=0 ... various rumblings about SSR and such. I dont know the first thing about SCSI, and dont really want to risk trashing my disc. Help? Ian -- Ian Jeffray // Tel: 0131 337 9923 // Mobile: 0378 392 963 // ian@eh.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 23:46:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA26827 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:46:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20340 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:46:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020338; Fri, 11 Sep 98 23:46:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7489 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8329-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:44:04 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154399-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:37:39 -0400 Received: from Stratus.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.6]:45920 "EHLO Stratus.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154403-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:12:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Stratus.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA05635; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Stratus.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Dan Todd cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: t-shirts In-Reply-To: <39eb238448%dantodd@dantodd.bigpond.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 841 Lines: 30 On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Dan Todd wrote: > In message <19980911172258.Y13051@genedata.com> you wrote: > > > > > We need ARMLinux t-shirts. Preferably in time for Acorn World. I'm going > > to run around and find some prices this weekend. if anyone has a design > > they'd like me to consider printing, then I'd like to see it on a web > > page somewhere. By default, I'm going to use Larry Ewing's penguin with > > an ARM Powered logo on its belly. > > Will they be available outside of AW? I'd like to have one, but I live > in Australia. A bit too far for a day trip to AW98... ... and I live in Canada. > > Thanks > -- > Dan Todd > > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 00:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28102 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:38:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20455 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:38:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020453; Sat, 12 Sep 98 00:38:13 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18974 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10241-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:36:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154377-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:43:26 -0400 Received: from post-10.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.20]:45214 "EHLO post.mail.nl.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154351-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:11:32 -0400 Received: from [195.173.230.103] (helo=dott) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHbFK-0003mb-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:00:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:58:21 +0200 From: postmaster@dott.demon.nl To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Partitioning problems Message-ID: <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> X-Organization: None X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 17 When I have a blank SyQuest 255 Mb cartridge and format it with SCSIManager (Cumana) and make one partition on it for Linux, I can not create anything on it with !Partman. What am I doing wrong or is there another application I can use to create a partition? TIA -- _ _ ___ ___ |_)irk |_) | | |\ | |_)ollema |ilburg |he | \|etherlands ======================================================================== =\ dbollema@dds.nl - dbollema@dott.demon.nl - ICQ 15487376 /= ==\ Homepage http://www.dott.demon.nl/ /== ===\ Acorn RiscPC, StrongARM @202MHz - Intel Outside /=== ======================================================================== ... I did it. I killed them all. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 01:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28401 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:03:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA20501 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:03:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020499; Sat, 12 Sep 98 01:02:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18974 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10383-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:59:48 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154467-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:31:56 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:37258 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154554-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:19:36 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHcJK-0007KB-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:09:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:11:05 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Missing libraries Message-ID: <5ae71b8448%rob@oac.u-net.com> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 957 Lines: 19 I've tried to compile chimera (www browser) and fvwm2, and they complain about a missing library(s). The screen flashed by quickly, but from my memory they seemed to be wanting the same thing. One of the libraries was errno.h. Is this the ELF libraries I've heard about? Are there libaries around that are not in the standard archive - or that need fixing. I have also today managed to compile my own kernal, so I do have a kernel source tree and libs on the system. Please help.. I really would like a graphical www browser... -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 11 16:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18201 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19457 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019455; Fri, 11 Sep 98 16:06:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62807 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3991-6134>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:52:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153920-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:02:04 -0400 Received: from teapot23.bigpond.com ([139.134.5.165]:2648 "HELO teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <153983-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 06:56:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ca944244 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:41:17 +1100 Received: from WBBH-T-001-p-165-248.tmns.net.au ([139.134.165.248]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Sexy-MailRouter V1.3); 11 Sep 1998 23:41:17 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 23:38:38 +0000 From: Dan Todd To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: t-shirts Message-ID: <39eb238448%dantodd@dantodd.bigpond.com> In-Reply-To: <19980911172258.Y13051@genedata.com> Organization: The House of Dan X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 623 Lines: 17 In message <19980911172258.Y13051@genedata.com> you wrote: > > We need ARMLinux t-shirts. Preferably in time for Acorn World. I'm going > to run around and find some prices this weekend. if anyone has a design > they'd like me to consider printing, then I'd like to see it on a web > page somewhere. By default, I'm going to use Larry Ewing's penguin with > an ARM Powered logo on its belly. Will they be available outside of AW? I'd like to have one, but I live in Australia. A bit too far for a day trip to AW98... Thanks -- Dan Todd unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 00:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28328 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:58:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20484 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:58:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020482; Sat, 12 Sep 98 00:57:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18974 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10741-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:55:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154461-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:31:29 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:17429 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154359-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:22:16 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA20424; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:11:34 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27725; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for nico@CAM.ORG; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980912021146.A13051@genedata.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:11:46 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Nicolas Pitre , Dan Todd Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: t-shirts References: <39eb238448%dantodd@dantodd.bigpond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas Pitre on Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 05:01:46PM -0400 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 26 On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 05:01:46PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Dan Todd wrote: > > > In message <19980911172258.Y13051@genedata.com> you wrote: > > > > > > > > We need ARMLinux t-shirts. Preferably in time for Acorn World. I'm going > > > to run around and find some prices this weekend. if anyone has a design > > > they'd like me to consider printing, then I'd like to see it on a web > > > page somewhere. By default, I'm going to use Larry Ewing's penguin with > > > an ARM Powered logo on its belly. > > > > Will they be available outside of AW? I'd like to have one, but I live > > in Australia. A bit too far for a day trip to AW98... > > ... and I live in Canada. And I live in Switzerland, I'm still going ;-) I'll have to look into money exchange & so on.. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 03:40:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00546 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA20762 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:40:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020760; Sat, 12 Sep 98 03:40:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10082 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10240-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:38:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154578-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:21:57 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1505 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154668-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:01:02 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zHdP1-0000Gq-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:18:59 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Paul Koning cc: a.dachs@usa.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:03:57 EDT." <199809111703.NAA27868@tonga.xedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:18:59 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 330 Lines: 11 >The board is a mid-size PCI card, but if you wanted to build a custom >design based on it, you should be able to make it fit on half that If it weren't for the SIMM you could probably fit it on roughly tbree square inches of PCB. Shame really. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 03:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00285 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:21:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA20742 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:21:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020740; Sat, 12 Sep 98 03:20:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10082 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10358-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:19:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154494-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:20:11 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:53539 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154621-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:46:26 -0400 Received: from [194.222.10.42] (helo=keffd) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHdfe-0007bR-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:36:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:33:48 +0100 From: Linux mailing list To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Tshirts Message-ID: <488428F880%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Falcon Logic X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 665 Lines: 18 Tshirts??? Where abouts will you be able to get these tshirts.?? Also, a few questions. I have got ARM Linux installed but I don't know how to get the bootloader working. The only way I can get into Linux is by setting an override in Linux configure and pointing the kernel bit to the kernel on my adfs partition and then typing root=/dev/hda3 at the extra arguments. How do I get it to use the kernel from the Linux partition and how do I set the root without having to type every time. Thanks. Daniel -- ... Take care of the pence and the Inland Revenue will take care of the rest. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 02:01:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29205 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:01:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA20616 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:01:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020614; Sat, 12 Sep 98 02:01:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36192 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10271-10997> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:57:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154384-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:31:02 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:17559 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154522-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:56:46 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA20470; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:46:07 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28187; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for EduardPfarr@swol.de; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:46:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980912024619.B13051@genedata.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:46:19 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: How to run (ELF?) Armlinux bins? References: <10ec108448%root@armaxess.swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <10ec108448%root@armaxess.swol.de>; from Eduard Pfarr on Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 10:11:08PM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id CAA29205 Status: RO Content-Length: 813 Lines: 15 On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 10:11:08PM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > Thanks to some nice people I've got some Armlinux binaries now (coming from > a Netwinder ). If I try to run them - with kernel 2.035 on a StrongARM > RiscPC600 - Linux reports: »Exec failed: Exec format error«. Am I right in > assuming they're in ELF format but my (Acorn Arm-) Linux doesn't want to > run this? How do I make Linux to exec them...? You need to compile your kernel to support ELF executables. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 02:58:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29897 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA20685 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:58:01 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020681; Sat, 12 Sep 98 02:57:44 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:56183 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10992-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:56:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154212-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:27:17 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:18007 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154500-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:41:41 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20552; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:30:53 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28810; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for rob.davis@oaci.org; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980912033106.C13051@genedata.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:31:06 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: rob.davis@oaci.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Missing libraries References: <5ae71b8448%rob@oac.u-net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <5ae71b8448%rob@oac.u-net.com>; from Rob Davis on Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 11:11:05PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1213 Lines: 23 On Fri, Sep 11, 1998 at 11:11:05PM +0100, Rob Davis wrote: > I've tried to compile chimera (www browser) and fvwm2, and > they complain about a missing library(s). The screen > flashed by quickly, but from my memory they seemed to be > wanting the same thing. One of the libraries was > errno.h. Is this the ELF libraries I've heard about? > Are there libaries around that are not in the standard > archive - or that need fixing. With such a vague report, there's very little anyone can do to help diagnose the problem. Use make >make.out 2>&1 to redirect the output to `make.out', then you will see the exact problem. Note that under no circumstances should you simply send this file to the mailing list as you will annoy several people. Attempt to track down the problem a little bit by yourself first, and only then ask here. Generally only one file will be useful. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 04:04:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA00942 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA20808 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:04:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020804; Sat, 12 Sep 98 04:03:41 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10082 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10477-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:03:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154343-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:09:16 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:19014 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154588-8316>; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:05:00 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA20787; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:54:58 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00788; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux@keffd.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:55:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980912055511.E13051@genedata.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:55:11 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Linux mailing list , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Tshirts References: <488428F880%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <488428F880%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk>; from Linux mailing list on Sat, Sep 12, 1998 at 01:33:48AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1012 Lines: 20 On Sat, Sep 12, 1998 at 01:33:48AM +0100, Linux mailing list wrote: > Where abouts will you be able to get these tshirts.?? I'll investigate that tom... uh, later today. mmm. > Also, a few questions. I have got ARM Linux installed but I don't know how to > get the bootloader working. The only way I can get into Linux is by setting > an override in Linux configure and pointing the kernel bit to the kernel on > my adfs partition and then typing root=/dev/hda3 at the extra arguments. How > do I get it to use the kernel from the Linux partition and how do I set the > root without having to type every time. FAQ. Question 6 in fact, though it's not immediately obvious. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 10:11:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA07081 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21296 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:11:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021294; Sat, 12 Sep 98 10:10:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16952 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10848-10997> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:10:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154490-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:17:53 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:39588 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154480-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:17:37 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.43]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA3481 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:08:57 +0200 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:05:43 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: <5258528448%root@armaxess.swol.de> In-Reply-To: <4e838e8348%root@armaxess.swol.de> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id KAA07081 Status: RO Content-Length: 1926 Lines: 40 Previously I wrote: > When will we be able to run KDE or Gnome on Armlinux? Russell, would you > mind to put your beta (or such) Gnome compilations to the public? So that > users could get an idea of how to use it later, when it's stable? Would > people who have KDE partly running like to make their compilations to the > public? Well, I've to say it's a fight in order to get Linux going (on a RiscPC at least, I don't know Netwinders personally yet). At least if one comes from the luxury world of Windoze (Delphi!) and RISC OS (it's indeed called RISC OS, not RiscOS or whatever ). We should improve and simplify the few documents flowing around on Russell's server: How to install, how to get going, how to compile real stuff like KDE etc. Some people @ Acorn read this list: What do you think about Acorn installing Armlinux on the RiscPC- I & II as standard next to RISC OS? It really should become as simple as on the Wintel platform. Anyway. So in order to be able to load ELF executables I've to compile the kernel (thanks to Matthew for that info). I've downloaded ARM ELF binaries which unfortunately are useless for my RiscPC because »Corel compile their binaries for the StrongARM specifically, and as such they use the half-word load and store instructions which the RiscPC's bus cannot handle« (thanks to Russell for telling me). A pity, really! I suppose this means that ARM bins of, say, CorelDraw or WordPerfect, which Corel maybe is going to port one day, won't run on my Acorn's Armlinux? Oh dear... Since there are so many gurus around in this list I hope it's still OK to ask two simple questions: 1) Is there a guide for »non Linux gurus« how to get the KDE baby run on my RiscPC with Armlinux? 2) Similar: Are there hints available how to get »nedit« run on Armlinux? Thank you; have a good time. Cheers, Eduard. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 11:27:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08026 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:27:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21378 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:27:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021376; Sat, 12 Sep 98 11:27:23 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32097 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3410-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:26:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153952-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:32:44 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1290 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153887-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:27:33 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15803; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:19:23 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07606; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:27:56 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00537; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199809120830.JAA00537@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Partitioning problems To: postmaster@dott.demon.nl Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:12 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> from "postmaster@dott.demon.nl" at Sep 11, 98 11:58:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 960 Lines: 17 postmaster@dott.demon.nl writes: > When I have a blank SyQuest 255 Mb cartridge and format it with SCSIManager > (Cumana) and make one partition on it for Linux, I can not create anything on > it with !Partman. What am I doing wrong or is there another application I can > use to create a partition? Which version of PartMan are you using? Are you using a Cumana SCSI I or SCSI II card? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 11:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08038 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21397 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021395; Sat, 12 Sep 98 11:28:36 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32097 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3116-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:28:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153899-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:33:41 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1320 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153909-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:27:57 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15810; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:19:29 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07615; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:30:35 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00551; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:32:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199809120832.JAA00551@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Missing libraries To: rob.davis@oaci.org Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:32:51 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <5ae71b8448%rob@oac.u-net.com> from "Rob Davis" at Sep 11, 98 11:11:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1548 Lines: 31 Rob Davis writes: > I've tried to compile chimera (www browser) and fvwm2, and > they complain about a missing library(s). The screen > flashed by quickly, but from my memory they seemed to be > wanting the same thing. One of the libraries was > errno.h. Is this the ELF libraries I've heard about? No. > I have also today managed to compile my own kernal, so I > do have a kernel source tree and libs on the system. > Please help.. I really would like a graphical www browser... Have you symlinked your linux kernel include/linux, include/scsi and include/asm into /usr/include? If not, please try reading the Linux kernel README around line 79. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | --------------------- Email-relevent MINI FAQ ---------------------- Installer keys : ALT-F1 installer, ALT-F2 shell, ALT-F3 installer messages, ALT-F4 kernel messages Ether3/B problems: try latest 2.0.34 kernel and root disk. -------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 11:28:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08030 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21383 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:28:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021381; Sat, 12 Sep 98 11:27:48 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32097 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3698-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:27:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153887-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:33:26 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1298 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153888-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:27:35 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15807; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:19:26 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07626; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:34:30 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00568; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:36:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199809120836.JAA00568@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Tshirts To: linux@keffd.demon.co.uk (Linux mailing list) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:36:46 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <488428F880%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> from "Linux mailing list" at Sep 12, 98 01:33:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1333 Lines: 23 Linux mailing list writes: > Also, a few questions. I have got ARM Linux installed but I don't know how to > get the bootloader working. The only way I can get into Linux is by setting > an override in Linux configure and pointing the kernel bit to the kernel on > my adfs partition and then typing root=/dev/hda3 at the extra arguments. How > do I get it to use the kernel from the Linux partition and how do I set the > root without having to type every time. What version of loadmap are you using? Try loadmap -V. The latest is 1.6.1. Have you set up your /etc/boot.conf file? If so, what does it contain? Do you have a /dev/root symlink, and what is this pointing at? Also, where did you specify in the !Config application where to look for the kernel? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 11:29:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08045 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21402 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:29:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021400; Sat, 12 Sep 98 11:28:45 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32097 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8965-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:28:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153915-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:34:08 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1318 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153893-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:27:53 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA15816; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:19:32 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07662; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:50:02 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00650; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:52:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199809120852.JAA00650@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? To: EduardPfarr@swol.de (Eduard Pfarr) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:52:16 +0100 (BST) Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <5258528448%root@armaxess.swol.de> from "Eduard Pfarr" at Sep 12, 98 10:05:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2941 Lines: 58 Eduard Pfarr writes: > Well, I've to say it's a fight in order to get Linux going (on a RiscPC at > least, I don't know Netwinders personally yet). At least if one comes from > the luxury world of Windoze (Delphi!) and RISC OS (it's indeed called RISC > OS, not RiscOS or whatever ). We should improve and simplify the few > documents flowing around on Russell's server: How to install, how to get > going, how to compile real stuff like KDE etc. Some people @ Acorn read > this list: What do you think about Acorn installing Armlinux on the RiscPC- > I & II as standard next to RISC OS? It really should become as simple as on > the Wintel platform. Unfortunately this is a luxury that we'll probably never have, particularly because the main problems is lack of a partitioning standard. There is no one place that you can choose to put a partition table on a disk (and no place defined) without trampling over someone's RISC OS (there you go) partition table. Hence, with most of the RISC OS tools, they have to detect the partitioning scheme, which means for each and every scheme there is different code that needs to be written. Not only that, but the rules of allocating drive space vary between manufacturers! Handling this all in one application is a nightmare at best. To give some instances: - Plain Filecore disks use the non-ADFS partition descriptor to point at the end of the disk, which then contains a partition table. - PowerTec disks use the PowerTec partition table at sector 0. - Eesox disks use the eesox partition table at sector 2 (I think). - Cumana disks appear to use a linked list (which throws out the first method). There really needs to be a *standard* partition table format located at a *standard* place on the disk. > bins of, say, CorelDraw or WordPerfect, which Corel maybe is going to port > one day, won't run on my Acorn's Armlinux? Oh dear... I'll see if I can pursuade them, since it'll be a shame if we can't. They may of course want to charge for them. > 1) Is there a guide for »non Linux gurus« how to get the KDE baby run on my > RiscPC with Armlinux? I've not been working on KDE (haven't even seen any src code for it), so I can't help on this one. > 2) Similar: Are there hints available how to get »nedit« run on Armlinux? Likewise. Have you tried to get it running, if so, what were the results? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 12:14:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08627 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA21470 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:14:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021467; Sat, 12 Sep 98 12:14:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29190 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6212-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:12:51 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153924-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:18:38 -0400 Received: from post.interalpha.co.uk ([195.26.224.14]:16883 "EHLO post.interalpha.net" ident: "0") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153934-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:14:37 -0400 Received: from pvigay.interalpha.co.uk (pompey-mod119.interalpha.net [195.26.225.147]) by post.interalpha.net (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA09985; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:14:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: Linux mailing list , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4884596234pvigay@interalpha.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tshirts In-Reply-To: <19980912055511.E13051@genedata.com> Content-Type: text/plain X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 844 Lines: 18 On 12 Sep, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Sat, Sep 12, 1998 at 01:33:48AM +0100, Linux mailing list wrote: > > Where abouts will you be able to get these tshirts.?? > I'll investigate that tom... uh, later today. mmm. Any chance of sweat shirts - knowing the average temperature in the UK - as well. Sort of like the Clan one, but with the Linux logo etc on it. :-) -- Paul Vigay Acorn Programming, __\\|//__ Internet Consultancy http://www.matrix.clara.net (` o-o ') & Web Design -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------- Acorn Risc OS: What Windows could have been, if it wasn't written by Microsoft. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 12:45:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09021 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:45:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA21508 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:45:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021506; Sat, 12 Sep 98 12:44:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:52016 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3325-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:44:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153899-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:51:36 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:55931 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153916-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:51:19 -0400 Received: from [158.152.120.130] (helo=RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHn9G-0004ZT-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:43:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:43:00 +0100 From: Peter Bell To: postmaster@dott.demon.nl Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partitioning problems Message-ID: <6d405b8448%peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2028 Lines: 43 In message <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> postmaster@dott.demon.nl wrote: > When I have a blank SyQuest 255 Mb cartridge and format it with SCSIManager > (Cumana) and make one partition on it for Linux, I can not create anything on > it with !Partman. What am I doing wrong or is there another application I can > use to create a partition? > TIA I am no expert, but have been trying to go through the exercise of getting Linux running on my SyJet, also connected to a Cumana SCSI2. Firstly, Partman doesn't seem to want to know anything about the cartridge unless you first put a Filecore partition on it. The Filecore partition can be very small, but it does need to be there - so try creating a 1MB partition with SCSIManager before using Partman. If Partman still fails to write the Linux partitions, it is because you have specified too large a disc shape to Partman. I made the mistake of using the sector count returned by SCSIManager. Don't do this - Partman seems to get the sectors/track figure correct, but doesn't get the cylinder count from the SCSI device. Use SCSIManager to get the cylinder count from the disc, and enter this into Partman. If Partman fails to write the partition info to the disc, then try again with a reduced cylinder count. Having done all this you may find, as I have, that the Linux boot image is not able to drive the Cumana SCSI2 card - reporting command timeouts all over the place. On the other hand, if anyone has been able to get Linux installed on a device connected to a Cumana SCSI2 card, I would like to hear about it. I have had some correspondence with Russel King about this problem but, so far, it is unresolved. HTH. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 979 4639 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 12:14:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08625 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:14:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA21471 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:14:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa21467; Sat, 12 Sep 98 12:14:29 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29190 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6469-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:14:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153956-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:18:59 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:57497 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153916-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:12:56 -0400 Received: from [194.222.10.42] (helo=keffd) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHmY4-0003nI-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:04:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:01:02 +0100 From: Linux mailing list To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: loadmap problem. Message-ID: <48845CE6C1%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Falcon Logic X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 800 Lines: 33 Hi! I am sorry to bring the whole magic number thing up again but I have read all the info and FAQ etc. and I still can't fix it. When I boot in using !Linux -bootkernel Linux.kernel and extra args. root=/dev/hda3 I log in as root but when I type loadmap I get a "no such file or directory" when it tries to load the root device. I created the boot.conf as per FAQ Q6 and it is just set to /dev/hda3 which should be my root. Can anyone tell me what the problem is Also, is there any way of stopping fsck from trying to parallelize my filing system every time I boot. It now keeps asking me if I want to continue because the drive is mounted. Thanks Daniel -- ... Give your child mental blocks for Christmas. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 16:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11807 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:20:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA21824 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:20:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021819; Sat, 12 Sep 98 16:19:50 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42344 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3251-7340> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:19:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154020-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:25:54 -0400 Received: from modular.mmsi.com ([216.19.22.38]:3183 "EHLO mmsi.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153983-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:25:35 -0400 Received: from netwinder.mmsi.com by mmsi.com (8.9.1a/SMI-4.1) id HAA15500; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] by netwinder.mmsi.com (8.7.4/SMI-4.1) id DAA16553; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:30:57 -0700 From: "Jonathan P. Olson" To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:27:01 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain References: <5258528448%root@armaxess.swol.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98091203305602.16547@netwinder> X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id QAA11807 Status: RO Content-Length: 1211 Lines: 26 On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Eduard Pfarr wrote: >Anyway. So in order to be able to load ELF executables I've to compile the >kernel (thanks to Matthew for that info). I've downloaded ARM ELF binaries >which unfortunately are useless for my RiscPC because »Corel compile their >binaries for the StrongARM specifically, and as such they use the half-word >load and store instructions which the RiscPC's bus cannot handle« (thanks >to Russell for telling me). A pity, really! I suppose this means that ARM >bins of, say, CorelDraw or WordPerfect, which Corel maybe is going to port >one day, won't run on my Acorn's Armlinux? Oh dear... Hmmm... Shouldn't it be relatively easy to install an illegal instruction handler that traps and emulates the undefined half-word instructions on non-strongarms? It would obviously be slow, but halfword stuff tends to be somewhat uncommon in applications and this would fix most of the incompatibility problems between strongarms and arm-3s. -- Jon Olson, Modular Mining Systems 3289 E. Hemisphere Loop Tucson, AZ 85706 INTERNET: olson@mmsi.com PHONE: (520)746-9127 FAX: (520)889-5790 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 13:17:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09483 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:17:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21550 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:17:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021548; Sat, 12 Sep 98 13:17:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:46688 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6841-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:17:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153925-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:24:26 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:58975 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153909-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:24:02 -0400 Received: from [194.222.210.232] (helo=tardis.home.dave) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHney-0004CX-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:16:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:15:47 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Philip Blundell cc: Paul Koning , a.dachs@usa.net, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 868 Lines: 21 On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > >The board is a mid-size PCI card, but if you wanted to build a custom > >design based on it, you should be able to make it fit on half that > > If it weren't for the SIMM you could probably fit it on roughly tbree square > inches of PCB. Shame really. Which is why I wonder why they didn't use a SODIMM as used in notebooks. They're a bit more pricy but about 1/4 of the size. (And at the price of the EBSA285 anyway it wouldn't make much odds!) Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha(LX) | Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | & ARM(EBSA285,old Arc) | In Hex / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 14:11:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10148 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21607 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:11:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021605; Sat, 12 Sep 98 14:11:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18738 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6867-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:11:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153983-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:18:28 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:41336 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153968-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:18:19 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHpRw-0003Tp-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:10:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:16:32 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: loadmap problem. Message-ID: <61d0638448%rob@oac.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <48845CE6C1%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1193 Lines: 33 In message <48845CE6C1%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> Linux mailing list wrote: > !Linux -bootkernel Linux.kernel > > and extra args. root=/dev/hda3 > > I log in as root > > but when I type loadmap I get a "no such file or directory" when it tries > to load the root device. > > I created the boot.conf as per FAQ Q6 and it is just set to /dev/hda3 which > should be my root. You need to do a symbolic link from /dev/hda3 to /dev/root then the loadmap -v command. (It's the blurb under the notes in the faq.. I fell for this one too.) (Russel - Can you put the line in on the faq above the loadmap -v command with a note saying not to worry if it throws up an error saying it's already linked? - It'll be more intuitive then.) -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 13:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09720 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:38:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA21570 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:38:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021568; Sat, 12 Sep 98 13:38:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9234 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6863-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:37:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153952-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:45:16 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1310 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153925-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:45:04 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup3.cymru.net [163.164.160.67]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA17701; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:37:12 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08177; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:35:44 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA01302; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:34:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199809121134.MAA01302@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: loadmap problem. To: linux@keffd.demon.co.uk (Linux mailing list) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:34:35 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <48845CE6C1%linux@keffd.demon.co.uk> from "Linux mailing list" at Sep 12, 98 11:01:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 976 Lines: 20 Linux mailing list writes: > I created the boot.conf as per FAQ Q6 and it is just set to /dev/hda3 which > should be my root. Can you post your /etc/boot.conf file please? > Also, is there any way of stopping fsck from trying to parallelize my filing > system every time I boot. It now keeps asking me if I want to continue > because the drive is mounted. Give the 'ro' argument as well in the loader. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 14:12:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10152 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:12:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21611 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:12:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa21605; Sat, 12 Sep 98 14:11:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18738 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6384-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:11:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153968-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:18:33 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:41335 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153925-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:18:16 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHpRs-0003Tp-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:10:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:13:08 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Missing libraries Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199809120832.JAA00551@raistlin.armlinux.org> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1601 Lines: 41 In message <199809120832.JAA00551@raistlin.armlinux.org> Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > > I have also today managed to compile my own kernal, so I > > do have a kernel source tree and libs on the system. > > Please help.. I really would like a graphical www browser... > > Have you symlinked your linux kernel include/linux, include/scsi and > include/asm into /usr/include? If not, please try reading the Linux > kernel README around line 79. Yes... But I think this is the source of the problem. It is statically linked, but the libraries it's complaining about are the ones linked. An example error:- In file included from port_after.h:26, from snprintf.c:45: /usr/include/sys/types.h:4: linux/types.h: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [snprintf.o] Error 1 I think it's a problem with the paths.. I have added /usr/include to my $PATH, but that still didn't work. This is probably something fairly basic.. The commands I used to statically link were ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux/ /usr/include ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm/ /usr/include ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi/ /usr/include -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 17:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12342 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:02:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA21876 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:02:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021874; Sat, 12 Sep 98 17:01:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5146 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10266-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:01:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154108-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:08:22 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1546 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154080-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:08:04 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup5.cymru.net [163.164.160.69]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA20653; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:00:24 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08729; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:58:40 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA01977; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:57:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199809121457.PAA01977@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? To: olson@mmsi.com (Jonathan P. Olson) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:57:39 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <98091203305602.16547@netwinder> from "Jonathan P. Olson" at Sep 12, 98 03:27:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1061 Lines: 18 Jonathan P. Olson writes: > Hmmm... Shouldn't it be relatively easy to install an illegal instruction > handler that traps and emulates the undefined half-word instructions > on non-strongarms? It would obviously be slow, but halfword stuff > tends to be somewhat uncommon in applications and this would fix > most of the incompatibility problems between strongarms and arm-3s. It won't work on the StrongARM on the RiscPC anyway. The RiscPC databus can't handle half-word instructions. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 19:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14354 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22081 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:34:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022078; Sat, 12 Sep 98 19:34:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16438 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10606-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:31:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154292-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:35:27 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:56836 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154495-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:33:23 -0400 Received: from [158.152.208.192] (helo=causality.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHtRm-0002hj-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:54 +0000 Message-ID: <35FA9F46.FA7CAAA4@causality.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:20:22 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan P. Olson" CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: <5258528448%root@armaxess.swol.de> <98091203305602.16547@netwinder> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 684 Lines: 21 Jonathan P. Olson wrote: > Hmmm... Shouldn't it be relatively easy to install an illegal instruction > handler that traps and emulates the undefined half-word instructions > on non-strongarms? It would obviously be slow, but halfword stuff > tends to be somewhat uncommon in applications and this would fix > most of the incompatibility problems between strongarms and arm-3s. Try the speed of that when you run a graphical application that uses 16bpp Ximages or something like that :-) Although it's pretty uncommon in most stuff, I'd guess for graphics the reverse is true. Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 19:34:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14355 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22082 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:34:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa22078; Sat, 12 Sep 98 19:34:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:16438 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10352-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:32:26 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154318-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:35:44 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:56841 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154498-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:33:25 -0400 Received: from [158.152.208.192] (helo=causality.com) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHtRn-0002hr-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:26:56 +0000 Message-ID: <35FA9FC0.69251B0D@causality.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:22:24 +0100 From: "Neil A. Carson" Organization: Causality Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin CC: "Jonathan P. Olson" , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: <199809121457.PAA01977@raistlin.armlinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 16 Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > It won't work on the StrongARM on the RiscPC anyway. The RiscPC databus > can't handle half-word instructions. I wonder, though, as the CPU isn't operating in enhanced mode whether you'll get an exception of some sort anyway? Or will something just bomb? Neil -- Neil A. Carson unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 20:03:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14733 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22141 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:03:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022137; Sat, 12 Sep 98 20:03:32 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8754 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8965-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:00:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154319-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:05:54 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1678 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154292-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:05:25 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zHtoE-00014P-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:50:06 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Neil A. Carson" cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:22:24 BST." <35FA9FC0.69251B0D@causality.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 18:50:06 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 314 Lines: 11 >I wonder, though, as the CPU isn't operating in enhanced mode whether >you'll get an exception of some sort anyway? Or will something just >bomb? I imagine (though I haven't tried it) that it will just quietly do the wrong thing. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 21:05:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15562 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:05:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA22263 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:05:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022261; Sat, 12 Sep 98 21:05:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54345 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8648-7340>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:05:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154309-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:01:59 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1146 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154564-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:54:05 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA24716; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:47:58 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09192; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:46:35 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA02872; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:45:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199809121845.TAA02872@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? To: neil@causality.com (Neil A. Carson) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:45:20 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux@arm.uk.linux.org, olson@mmsi.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <35FA9FC0.69251B0D@causality.com> from "Neil A. Carson" at Sep 12, 98 05:22:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 910 Lines: 18 Neil A. Carson writes: > I wonder, though, as the CPU isn't operating in enhanced mode whether > you'll get an exception of some sort anyway? Or will something just > bomb? The instruction just completes as normal. The only problem is that either the data hasn't been written, or more likely the data in the other 16 bits is corrupted. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 21:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16235 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:58:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA22323 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:58:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022312; Sat, 12 Sep 98 21:57:38 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8536-10997>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:55:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154354-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:36:20 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:34066 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154579-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:16:25 -0400 Received: from [194.222.1.117] (helo=gink) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHv48-0007ZP-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:10:36 +0000 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu From: hick@mojo.org (gARetH baBB) Subject: Re: Help for a newbie ArmLinux user Reply-To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <4bc86b8348%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 20:08:58 +0100 Message-ID: <19980912.200858.15@gink.mojo.org> Organization: Gink X-Mailer: TTFN version 0.42 (Acorn RISC OS) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 523 Lines: 12 In message <4bc86b8348%phil@tiddles.oregan.net>, phil@oregan.net (Phil Norman) wrote: > > cdfsdrive 2.20 and .islcd_2 whatever they are. > > The CDROMs with the daughter boards are not supported. I have tried to get > docs from Cumana so I could hack support into the kernel, but unfortunately > they've 'lost' the relevant information. Can't you just pull apart the SoundBlaster/Panasonic drivers from Linux86 and have a prod about ? unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 22:28:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16645 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA22366 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:28:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022364; Sat, 12 Sep 98 22:28:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18769 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8458-10997> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:24:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154022-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:24:32 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:41656 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154500-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:20:06 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.61]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA12621 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:15:07 +0200 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:05:50 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199809121457.PAA01977@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id WAA16645 Status: RO Content-Length: 983 Lines: 25 »Russell King - ARM Linux Admin « schrieb in Artikel <199809121457.PAA01977@raistlin.armlinux.org> folgendes: > Jonathan P. Olson writes: > > Hmmm... Shouldn't it be relatively easy to install an illegal > > instruction > > handler that traps and emulates the undefined half-word instructions > > on non-strongarms? It would obviously be slow, but halfword stuff > > tends to be somewhat uncommon in applications and this would fix > > most of the incompatibility problems between strongarms and arm-3s. > > It won't work on the StrongARM on the RiscPC anyway. The RiscPC databus > can't handle half-word instructions. So even an exception handler (similar to FPE) can't handle this? Why? Do you or any other reader know if the RiscPC-II's (Phoebe) databus will be able to handle half-word instructions? Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 12 23:58:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA17772 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22483 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:58:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022481; Sat, 12 Sep 98 23:58:27 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25152 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8781-13319>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:55:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154110-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:58:55 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:62872 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154022-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:58:28 -0400 Received: from [194.222.210.232] (helo=tardis.home.dave) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zHxcY-00022u-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:54:18 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:53:57 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Eduard Pfarr cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Of half word accesses (was When will KDE ...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 916 Lines: 22 On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > Russell King - ARM Linux Admin schrieb in Artikel > > > > It won't work on the StrongARM on the RiscPC anyway. The RiscPC databus > > can't handle half-word instructions. > > So even an exception handler (similar to FPE) can't handle this? Why? Because the instruction is actually executed - the StrongARM doesn't know the bus isn't upto it and thus doesn't cause any type of exception; and blissfilly ignores the fact that it just wrote/read completely the wrong data. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha(LX) | Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | & ARM(EBSA285,old Arc) | In Hex / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 13 00:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18912 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22579 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 00:40:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022577; Sun, 13 Sep 98 00:40:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19582 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3539-13319>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:39:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153895-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:42:01 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:46734 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153921-8316>; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:41:23 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zHzEY-00075o-00; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:37:38 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 23:39:13 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Missing libraries Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199809120832.JAA00551@raistlin.armlinux.org> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1328 Lines: 28 In message <199809120832.JAA00551@raistlin.armlinux.org> Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Rob Davis writes: > > I've tried to compile chimera (www browser) and fvwm2, and > > they complain about a missing library(s). The screen > > flashed by quickly, but from my memory they seemed to be > > wanting the same thing. One of the libraries was > > errno.h. > Have you symlinked your linux kernel include/linux, include/scsi and > include/asm into /usr/include? If not, please try reading the Linux > kernel README around line 79. Thanks for your help today. In the end I deleted the links I had and redid them.. Worked fine then. I still couldn't get chimera to compile though.. I'll have a closer look later. I did get fvwm2 to work though, so I'm happy for the moment. (Not that I know anything about it.. Just happy to be getting something working...) -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 13 12:23:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28844 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:23:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23926 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:23:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023924; Sun, 13 Sep 98 12:23:22 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:39712 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5200-12477>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:22:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154234-1366>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:22:42 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1239 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154240-1366>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 03:22:21 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA03976; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:21:34 +0100 Received: from tanis.armlinux.org (tanis [192.168.0.2]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10234; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:35:30 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by tanis.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00215; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:35:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199809130835.JAA00215@tanis.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Missing libraries To: rob.davis@oaci.org Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:35:23 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Rob Davis" at Sep 12, 98 11:39:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1075 Lines: 19 Rob Davis writes: > Thanks for your help today. In the end I deleted the links I > had and redid them.. Worked fine then. I still couldn't get > chimera to compile though.. I'll have a closer look later. > I did get fvwm2 to work though, so I'm happy for the moment. > (Not that I know anything about it.. Just happy to be getting > something working...) Which version of Chimera are you trying to build? The latest 2.1 version should compile, whereas the 2.0 versions don't contain any ARM patches. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 13 20:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06776 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:39:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA25134 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:39:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025132; Sun, 13 Sep 98 20:39:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:7776 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6541-13319>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:37:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154007-1366>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:15:05 -0400 Received: from post-10.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.20]:54306 "EHLO post.mail.nl.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153921-1366>; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:42:39 -0400 Received: from [195.173.230.103] (helo=dott) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIGC3-00032d-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 13 Sep 1998 17:44:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:39:24 +0200 From: postmaster@dott.demon.nl To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Partitioning problems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> X-Organization: None X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1490 Lines: 28 In message <4bd1a8448%postmaster@dott.demon.nl> you wrote: > When I have a blank SyQuest 255 Mb cartridge and format it with SCSIManager > (Cumana) and make one partition on it for Linux, I can not create anything on > it with !Partman. What am I doing wrong or is there another application I can > use to create a partition? > TIA > I created the partitions. First with SCSIDM I used section to create one partition of 256 Mb and afterwards I used !SCSIManager of Cumana. Created one partition of 2 Mb and one of 254 Mb. I also could create with !Partman the partitions 230 Mb for Linux Native and 24 Mb for the Linux Swap. Know I have the base sets on floppy disk (3) and can not access the drive at least not with /dev/fd0 or /dev/fd1 How to continue now or do I need some other files? TIA -- _ _ ___ ___ |_)irk |_) | | |\ | |_)ollema |ilburg |he | \|etherlands ======================================================================== =\ dbollema@dds.nl - dbollema@dott.demon.nl - ICQ 15487376 /= ==\ Homepage http://www.dott.demon.nl/ /== ===\ Acorn RiscPC, StrongARM @202MHz - Intel Outside /=== ======================================================================== ... A seminar on Time Travel will be held two weeks ago unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 14 11:13:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24363 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:13:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26764 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:13:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026762; Mon, 14 Sep 98 11:13:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26464 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6824-29573>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:11:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154461-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:05:04 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.up.ac.za ([137.215.18.70]:2771 "EHLO mail.cs.up.ac.za" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154649-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 01:56:53 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.cs.up.ac.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14332 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:59:57 +0200 Received: from rw10.cs.up.ac.za(137.215.166.14), claiming to be "venus" via SMTP by mail.cs.up.ac.za, id smtpda14328; Mon Sep 14 10:59:49 1998 Message-ID: <008901bddfbe$2be06b30$0ea6d789@venus.cs.up.ac.za> From: "Samuel Kock" To: Subject: Re: Compiling(Was: Missing libraries) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:00:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2144 Lines: 45 >Which version of Chimera are you trying to build? The latest 2.1 version >should compile, whereas the 2.0 versions don't contain any ARM patches. And you get the ARM patches where? For that matter, where do you get chimera as well? I forgot the URL. I also have a few other questions, having dug out my ARM Linux hardddrive this weekend and getting my Internet connection going. Thanks to whoever put pppsetup on his web site! OK, not all the questions pertain to Internet, but I digress.. 1) Where can I get the utilities tracert and nslookup for ARMlinux? I cannot find them. I thought they come with ping, telnet, etc. but it seems not like it. 2) I am trying to get pine to compile under ArmLinux. And it does not work. I cannot get remember the exact error message, but it bombs out when trying to compile the c-client and imap stuff. About the only thing that does compile is pico (the editor). Of course, if someone can reccomend a graphical mail reader that can handle IMAP4 that is available for Armlinux, it would be appreciated... I tried exmh, to no avail... I suppose pine would need some patching, or not? It is version 3.91. 3) I cannot set my ARMLinux clock! When I tryo to do it via the control panel, it tells me that a program ismissing. Anybody have that program and can send it to me? I forgot the name. 4) Does anybody know if Afterstep works on ARMlinux? Or does it also have the ELF troubles? 5) I see that kernel 2.0.35 is released. Any changes over 2.0.34? 6) Last but not least: When I try to mount an ADFS harddrive, It mounts fine, but as soon as I try to copy stuff from the ADFS drive to Linux, the system hangs, and I have to reset. It works fine when I mount DOS stiffy drives, so... also , I cannot mount my 4Gb drive. It completes the moun command successfully, but when I go to the mount point, it is empty. Any help would be appreciated. My system is SA RISCPC 24+1Mb RAM, 4Gb drive (ADFS) 520Mb drive (Linux), plus USR 56K modem. Hope this is enough information. If you need anymore, mail me. Regards Samuel Kock ....--- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 14 11:59:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25634 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA26852 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:59:15 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026846; Mon, 14 Sep 98 11:58:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1866 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7086-26428> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:57:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154623-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:52:53 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:49954 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154646-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:52:29 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.41]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAB4009 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:55:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 11:54:21 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: <5ef6638548%root@armaxess.swol.de> In-Reply-To: <199809120852.JAA00650@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id LAA25634 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 3430 Lines: 87 »Russell King - ARM Linux Admin « schrieb in Artikel <199809120852.JAA00650@raistlin.armlinux.org> folgendes: Hallo, [Linux installing as easy as on Wintel platforms?] > Unfortunately this is a luxury that we'll probably never have, > particularly because the main problems is lack of a partitioning > standard. [..] > Handling this all in one application is a nightmare at best. To give some > instances: [..] > There really needs to be a *standard* partition table format located at a > *standard* place on the disk. I see. Acorn isn't in the mood/position to change this problem? > > bins of, say, CorelDraw or WordPerfect, which Corel maybe is going to > > port one day, won't run on my Acorn's Armlinux? Oh dear... > > I'll see if I can pursuade them, since it'll be a shame if we can't. Indeed. Good luck. :-) > They may of course want to charge for them. For WordPerfect and CorelDraw? No problem. > > 1) Is there a guide for »non Linux gurus« how to get the KDE baby run > > on my RiscPC with Armlinux? > > I've not been working on KDE (haven't even seen any src code for it), so I > can't help on this one. A pity. Some engineers at Corel have compiled KDE successfully and pointed to the binaries. Which don't run on my StrongARM RiscPC's Arm-Linux. :-( > > 2) Similar: Are there hints available how to get »nedit« run on > Armlinux? > > Likewise. Have you tried to get it running, if so, what were the results? Nedit relies on Motif/Lesstif. The problem is that I can't compile Lesstif. In this mailing-list's archive I read about problems with it. Has anybody successfully compiled Lesstif? In my case typing configure leads to: »Invalid configuration 'sa110- unknown-linuxaout': machine 'sa110-unknown' not recognized«. If I do a »configure --host=arm« it runs OK but then »make« won't go: Please see my footer for a error list. Libtool is v1.2 btw and I've applied your arm- patches named »autoconf-2/12-1/arm/rpm« and »automake-1/0-1/arm/rpm«. A final question: Say there's unsaved work on the RISC OS side and then one does double click the newest version of your !Linux application. Linux starts without any warning. Am I missing a point or is this a bad thing because the unsaved RISC OS work is lost? ;-) Cheers, Edaurd. (*) Make complains as following: for subdir in lib clients include scripts doc; do \ target=`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; \ echo making $target in $subdir; \ (cd $subdir && make $target) \ || case "" in *k*) fail=yes;; *) exit 1;; esac; \ done && test -z "$fail" making all in lib make[1]: Entering directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib' for subdir in config Xm Mrm Uil Xm-2.0 Mrm-2.0 Uil-2.0 Xm-2.1 Mrm-2.1 Xm- CDE Mrm-CDE ; do \ target=`echo all-recursive | sed s/-recursive//`; \ echo making $target in $subdir; \ (cd $subdir && make $target) \ || case "-w" in *k*) fail=yes;; *) exit 1;; esac; \ done && test -z "$fail" making all in config make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib/config' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib/config' making all in Xm make[2]: Entering directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib/Xm' Makefile:165: *** missing sparator. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib/Xm' make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/lesstif/lib' unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 14 13:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27609 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:29:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA27092 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:29:45 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027088; Mon, 14 Sep 98 13:29:25 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30286 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7096-26428> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:28:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154269-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:19:55 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:20525 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154652-1366>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:13:34 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27056; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:17:13 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27268; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for EduardPfarr@swol.de; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980914151728.J13051@genedata.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:17:28 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Eduard Pfarr , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: <199809120852.JAA00650@raistlin.armlinux.org> <5ef6638548%root@armaxess.swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <5ef6638548%root@armaxess.swol.de>; from Eduard Pfarr on Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 11:54:21AM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id NAA27609 Status: RO Content-Length: 1591 Lines: 30 On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 11:54:21AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > Nedit relies on Motif/Lesstif. The problem is that I can't compile Lesstif. > In this mailing-list's archive I read about problems with it. Has anybody > successfully compiled Lesstif? Don't bother even trying until you have an ELF-based system. > In my case typing configure leads to: »Invalid configuration 'sa110- > unknown-linuxaout': machine 'sa110-unknown' not recognized«. If I do a > »configure --host=arm« it runs OK but then »make« won't go: Please see my > footer for a error list. Libtool is v1.2 btw and I've applied your arm- > patches named »autoconf-2/12-1/arm/rpm« and »automake-1/0-1/arm/rpm«. Your fault. ./configure --host=arm-linuxaout would get you further. But even then, you're going to hit the same problems that everyone else has had. > A final question: Say there's unsaved work on the RISC OS side and then one > does double click the newest version of your !Linux application. Linux > starts without any warning. Am I missing a point or is this a bad thing > because the unsaved RISC OS work is lost? ;-) I have code to do a shutdown properly that I wrote once upon a time for a booter for a different OS. I'll try to dig this out & send it to Russell. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 14 16:37:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05354 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:37:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA27671 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:37:15 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027669; Mon, 14 Sep 98 16:36:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:41035 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6387-26428>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:27:42 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153943-22478>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:08:10 -0400 Received: from relay7.UU.NET ([192.48.96.17]:2460 "EHLO relay7.UU.NET" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154016-22478>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:31:08 -0400 Received: from xedia.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: madway.xedia.com [198.202.232.199]) id QQfguo02269; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tonga.xedia.com by xedia.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14590; Mon, 14 Sep 98 09:34:28 EDT Received: by tonga.xedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02105; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:35:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 09:35:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199809141335.JAA02105@tonga.xedia.com> From: Paul Koning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: gilbertd@treblig.org Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: ARM Linux in space? References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1163 Lines: 27 >>>>> "Dave" == Dave Gilbert writes: Dave> On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: >> >The board is a mid-size PCI card, but if you wanted to build a >> custom >design based on it, you should be able to make it fit on >> half that >> >> If it weren't for the SIMM you could probably fit it on roughly >> tbree square inches of PCB. Shame really. Dave> Which is why I wonder why they didn't use a SODIMM as used in Dave> notebooks. They're a bit more pricy but about 1/4 of the Dave> size. (And at the price of the EBSA285 anyway it wouldn't make Dave> much odds!) The usual design principle for eval boards is straightforward, obvious, and reliable design. Neither lowest cost nor smallest size are design goals. Given what the EBSA285 designers did, it should be a very simple matter to cut & paste from the schematics to get something that best fits your specific requirements. (If it weren't for the fact that BGA attachment is a bit hard for the home shop of a radio amateur, I probably would be well into that myself by now...) paul unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 02:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA16615 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA28913 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:58:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028911; Tue, 15 Sep 98 02:58:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12656 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3359-773>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:57:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154167-22478>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:27:11 -0400 Received: from Ocean.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.5]:45162 "EHLO Ocean.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154445-22478>; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:47:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA05774; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:52:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 17:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: <199809120112.AA00958@stowe.pa.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1361 Lines: 43 Hi! OK now I'm up to this: Console: colour A-series 53x29x256, 1 virtual console (max 63) Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 152.37 BogoMIPS Memory: 11320k/16384k available (436k kernel code, 36k reserved, 496k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035. Linux version 2.0.35 (nico@xanadu) (gcc version egcs-2.92.04 19980906 (gcc2 ss-8 Starting kswapd v 1.4.2.2 Keyboard driver v1.01 **** Turning off console printing **** LSB: Done with kbd_init SA1100 Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled tty00 at 0xe0050000 (irq = 17) is a SA1100 UART audio-sa1100: registered as device 42 Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 16384K size RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x00000000, lr=0x6001f950 (bad address=0x000) rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe1c, lr=0xbffffd88 (bad address=0x03f) init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffbc8, lr=0xbffffb64 (bad address=0x03fffbc8,) Does someone can tell me what's wrong? P.S: the patch against latest 2.0.35 ARM Linux tree is available at ftp.cam.org/users/nico/ P.P.S: hope this time I'll get AT LEAST one response... :) Thanks Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 13:29:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05495 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA30173 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:29:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma030171; Tue, 15 Sep 98 13:29:08 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:28241 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4062-31159> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:25:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154558-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 03:01:07 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:61623 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154612-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 02:25:02 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.46]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAB2711 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:33:30 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:05:32 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: <054e38548%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: <19980914151728.J13051@genedata.com> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id NAA05495 Status: RO Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 35 »Matthew Wilcox « schrieb in Artikel <19980914151728.J13051@genedata.com> folgendes: > On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 11:54:21AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > Nedit relies on Motif/Lesstif. The problem is that I can't compile > > Lesstif. In this mailing-list's archive I read about problems with it. > > Has anybody successfully compiled Lesstif? > > Don't bother even trying until you have an ELF-based system. What is an ELF-based system? I've recompiled my kernel to inlcude ELF- support. Still I've got a feeling that this isn't what you mean. > Your fault. Well, yes, mine, since nobody else is trying to run Linux here... :-) > ./configure --host=arm-linuxaout would get you further. > But even then, you're going to hit the same problems that everyone else > has had. .. which are? [..] > I have code to do a shutdown properly that I wrote once upon a time for a > booter for a different OS. I'll try to dig this out & send it to Russell. This is a good idea. Thank you. Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 11:01:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27214 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA29821 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:01:46 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029817; Tue, 15 Sep 98 11:01:18 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6680 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3899-31159>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:57:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154417-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:16:26 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:25472 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154484-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 00:37:12 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29597; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:45:30 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24981; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:45:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for nico@CAM.ORG; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:45:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980915114545.A3257@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:45:45 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Nicolas Pitre , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus References: <199809120112.AA00958@stowe.pa.dec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas Pitre on Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 05:52:14PM -0400 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1228 Lines: 34 On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > Hi! > > OK now I'm up to this: > > Console: colour A-series 53x29x256, 1 virtual console (max 63) I wonder if that's really right? > Linux version 2.0.35 (nico@xanadu) (gcc version egcs-2.92.04 19980906 > (gcc2 ss-8 That smells like trouble.. > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x00000000, lr=0x6001f950 (bad > address=0x000) > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe1c, lr=0xbffffd88 (bad > address=0x03f) > init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffbc8, lr=0xbffffb64 (bad > address=0x03fffbc8,) > > Does someone can tell me what's wrong? Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 15:10:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08240 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:10:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA07879 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:10:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007865; Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:10:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40810 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3820-773>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:04:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154094-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:10:49 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:45522 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154327-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:32:20 -0400 Received: from treblig.org by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id MAA16323; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:43:33 +0100 Message-ID: <35FE5237.1BAD706F@treblig.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:40:39 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eduard Pfarr CC: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: <054e38548%root@swol.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1118 Lines: 26 Eduard Pfarr wrote: > What is an ELF-based system? I've recompiled my kernel to inlcude ELF- > support. Still I've got a feeling that this isn't what you mean. Thats only half the battle; Now that you have a kernel which can load ELF binaries you need to get a compiler/binutils/libraries which produce ELF binaries. Those together with the ELF supporting kernel could be called an 'ELF-based system'. Those tools are coming together and if your confident you could get them all and give them a go. > Well, yes, mine, since nobody else is trying to run Linux here... :-) Hmm - we'll help you if you promise to try and convert everyone else to the one true OS - fair :-) ? Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 15:35:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08605 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:35:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA08019 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:35:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008017; Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:35:06 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33616 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3934-773>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:31:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154411-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:12:56 -0400 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl ([130.89.220.2]:2620 "EHLO studict.student.utwente.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154467-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:01:45 -0400 Received: from poekie.test. (ut240232.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.240.232]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with ESMTP id OAA06003 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:11:13 +0200 (METDST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by poekie.test. (8.8.7/8.6.9) id OAA14446 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:05:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:05:41 +0200 From: Mark van Doesburg Illegal-Object: Syntax error in Message-Id: value found on vger.rutgers.edu: Message-Id: <199809151205.OAA14446@poekie.test.> ^-illegal subdomain in domain, propably extra '.' at the end of the address To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: uncached pages X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <19980915102059Z154411-22478+1758@vger.rutgers.edu> Status: RO Content-Length: 241 Lines: 8 Is there any easy way to get an uncached page of memory on the sa110 ? I doesn't seem like uncache_page in include/asm/proc/pgtable.h would work. greetings, Mark. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From nico@CAM.ORG Tue Sep 15 16:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15768 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:00:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA13143 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:00:16 +0200 Received: from stratus.cam.org(198.168.100.6) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013130; Tue, 15 Sep 98 15:59:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Stratus.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA04262; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Stratus.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: <19980915114545.A3257@genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 35 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 05:52:14PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > Console: colour A-series 53x29x256, 1 virtual console (max 63) > > I wonder if that's really right? Don't know. The console screen seem to work i.e. display something OK. But I don't care much about it for now... > > Linux version 2.0.35 (nico@xanadu) (gcc version egcs-2.92.04 19980906 > > (gcc2 ss-8 > > That smells like trouble.. > > > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x00000000, lr=0x6001f950 (bad > > address=0x000) > > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe1c, lr=0xbffffd88 (bad > > address=0x03f) > > init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffbc8, lr=0xbffffb64 (bad > > address=0x03fffbc8,) > > > > Does someone can tell me what's wrong? > > Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got > last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. > Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you > try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? I can compile and run beautifully the 2.0.30 tree from the Itsy team with the same compiler... So I assume that's not a compiler problem. Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 18:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19706 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:07:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13548 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:07:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013546; Tue, 15 Sep 98 18:07:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37976 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3196-773>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:06:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154895-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:41:52 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:4374 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154714-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:43:41 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIwTv-0007tY-00; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:53:27 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zIwTj-0007Bz-00; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:53:15 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark van Doesburg cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: uncached pages In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:05:41 +0200." <19980915102059Z154411-22478+1758@vger.rutgers.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:53:15 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 262 Lines: 9 >Is there any easy way to get an uncached page of memory on the sa110 ? Not at present. I think you're right about uncache_page(); I've been meaning to mention that for a while. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From kerr@pa.dec.com Tue Sep 15 18:23:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19979 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:23:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13615 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:23:46 +0200 Received: from mail1.digital.com(204.123.2.50) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013611; Tue, 15 Sep 98 18:23:31 +0200 Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by mail1.digital.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/WV1.0g) with SMTP id JAA07551; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stowe.pa.dec.com by pobox1.pa.dec.com (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/07Nov97-1157AM) id AA02689; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:22:46 -0700 Received: by stowe.pa.dec.com; (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/06Jun96-0357PM) id AA04915; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:19:56 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:19:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199809151619.AA04915@stowe.pa.dec.com> From: Deborah Wallach To: Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com Cc: nico@CAM.ORG, Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: <19980915190659.B3257@genedata.com> (message from Matthew Wilcox on Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:06:59 +0200) Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus Address: Compaq Computer Corporation; Western Research Laboratory; 250 University Avenue; Palo Alto, CA 94301; USA Phone: 650-617-3315 Status: RO Content-Length: 862 Lines: 18 > > Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got > > last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. > > Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you > > try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? > > I can compile and run beautifully the 2.0.30 tree from the Itsy team with > the same compiler... So I assume that's not a compiler problem. Not necessarily a valid assumption. I know Russell still uses gcc 2.7.2.2, so that will be what he tests with. The Itsy team may well be using a different compiler (egcs or gcc 2.8). We're currently using the egcs-1.0.3 release. Many many versions of gcc 2.8 and various binutils resulted in kernels that didn't work properly for us, some in somewhat subtle ways. -Deborah Wallach From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 15 19:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20926 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA13744 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:22:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013742; Tue, 15 Sep 98 19:22:08 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1838 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5229-31159>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:20:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154477-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:53:51 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:25942 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154722-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:56:54 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13341; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:06:43 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18183; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for nico@CAM.ORG; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:06:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980915190659.B3257@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:06:59 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Nicolas Pitre , Matthew Wilcox Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus References: <19980915114545.A3257@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas Pitre on Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 09:59:36AM -0400 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1025 Lines: 19 On Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 09:59:36AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got > > last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. > > Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you > > try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? > > I can compile and run beautifully the 2.0.30 tree from the Itsy team with > the same compiler... So I assume that's not a compiler problem. Not necessarily a valid assumption. I know Russell still uses gcc 2.7.2.2, so that will be what he tests with. The Itsy team may well be using a different compiler (egcs or gcc 2.8). -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 16 00:27:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26312 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA14333 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:27:46 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014329; Wed, 16 Sep 98 00:27:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20819 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6854-6379>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:25:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154241-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:19:04 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1396 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154245-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:14:06 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA07622; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:24:54 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14427; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:49:45 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00389; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:52:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199809151852.TAA00389@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus To: nico@CAM.ORG (Nicolas Pitre) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:51:59 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: from "Nicolas Pitre" at Sep 15, 98 09:59:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1772 Lines: 38 Nicolas Pitre writes: > > > Linux version 2.0.35 (nico@xanadu) (gcc version egcs-2.92.04 19980906 > > > (gcc2 ss-8 > > > > That smells like trouble.. > > > > > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x00000000, lr=0x6001f950 (bad > > > address=0x000) > > > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe1c, lr=0xbffffd88 (bad > > > address=0x03f) > > > init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffbc8, lr=0xbffffb64 (bad > > > address=0x03fffbc8,) > > > > > > Does someone can tell me what's wrong? > > > > Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got > > last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. > > Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you > > try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? > > I can compile and run beautifully the 2.0.30 tree from the Itsy team with > the same compiler... So I assume that's not a compiler problem. Linux 2.0 must, repeat must be compiled using GCC 2.7.2.2 - neither I, nor any i386 Linux guru will provide any help for people trying to use a different compiler. Linux 2.0 is heavily optimised for GCC 2.7.2.2 only. If you get it to work, I wish to great success. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From nico@CAM.ORG Tue Sep 15 22:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24083 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:35:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA14105 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:35:16 +0200 Received: from ocean.cam.org(198.168.100.5) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014103; Tue, 15 Sep 98 22:35:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA11282; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: <19980915190659.B3257@genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 34 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 1998 at 09:59:36AM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > > Those memory violations from rc.sysinit look similar to the ones I got > > > last time I compiled an ARMLinux kernel with a non-gcc 2.7.2.x compiler. > > > Mine was gcc 2.7.95 or something (ie a prerelease of 2.8.0). Can you > > > try recompiling with 2.7.2.x and see if that makes a difference? > > > > I can compile and run beautifully the 2.0.30 tree from the Itsy team with > > the same compiler... So I assume that's not a compiler problem. > > Not necessarily a valid assumption. I know Russell still uses gcc > 2.7.2.2, so that will be what he tests with. The Itsy team may well be > using a different compiler (egcs or gcc 2.8). OK I just tried the following combinations: gcc-2.7.2.2 + binutils-2.7 (what is announced on ARM Linux web site) egcs-1.03a + binutils-2.8.1.0.15 (Dave Gilbert's cross compiling instructions, which is also what the Itsy team is using I think) gcc-2.8.1 + binutils-2.9.1.0.6 (from netwinder.org FTP site) egcs-19980906 with Phil Blundell's egcs patch + binutils-2.9.1.0.12 I also tried to mix some of the above. Every compilations and executions of the 2.0.35 kernel gave the same results! So I must conclude that it's not a compiler problem since I can run a 2.0.30 kernel smoothly at least with the two egcs combinations. Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 16 00:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26020 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:00:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA14280 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:00:46 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014278; Wed, 16 Sep 98 00:00:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20819 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6245-6379>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:57:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154633-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:09:17 -0400 Received: from Ocean.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.5]:54236 "EHLO Ocean.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154833-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:32:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA11598; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre Reply-To: Nicolas Pitre To: Hugo Fiennes cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 974 Lines: 34 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Hugo Fiennes wrote: > On Mon 14 Sep, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > P.S: the patch against latest 2.0.35 ARM Linux tree is available at > > ftp.cam.org/users/nico/ > > > > P.P.S: hope this time I'll get AT LEAST one response... :) > > Ah, but this one isn't helpful: > > I can't get it compiling - the .3 patch applied fine, but even after > fiddling (needed CONFIG_FB_SIZE_H/V/BPP stuff) it still falls over with > 'processor does not support halfwords' type stuff in ll_char_wr.S - > playing with it doesn't seem to help (ie, different -m options). > > What components are you using? I'm on arm-unknown-linuxaout 2.7.2.2 gcc > (cross compiler) and arm-unknown-linuxaout 2.9.1.0.7 binutils. > > Anything you can suggest? Make line 47 of linux/arch/arm/Makefile look like this: CFLAGS_PROC += -m6 -Wa,-mall (add the "-Wa,-mall") Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 16 01:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27383 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA14431 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:22:16 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014429; Wed, 16 Sep 98 01:21:48 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20744 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5336-10585>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:19:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154375-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:25:12 -0400 Received: from Ocean.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.5]:54804 "EHLO Ocean.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154843-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:33:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA13760; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Alex Holden cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2859 Lines: 79 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Alex Holden wrote: > On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > > rc.sysinit: memory violation at pc=0x00000000, lr=0x6001f950 (bad > > address=0x000) > ^ Beware the path of the null pointer for therein lies madness ;) > > > Does someone can tell me what's wrong? > [...] > Then again, to have got to the stage of trying to execute rc.sysinit, it > must have first loaded init, linked it against the various libraries it > needs (including libc), run it, opened /etc/inittab, and read up to the > point where it tells it to run rc.sysinit (which would seem to be a good > sign that it at least got that far before fouling up). You're absolutely right! > What about creating a program /etc/init which simply dumps the contents > of /dev/ram0 to /dev/ttyS0 or something to dump the ramdisk image out to a > serial port. If it fails part way through, you know it has a problem > accessing the ramdisk. If it manages to send it all, you can run e2fsck > on it to find out if it has become corrupted at some point. The same ramdisk image is OK with 2.0.30. If it gets corrupted it's after the kernel is booted otherwise the decompression would fail. > You could also try deleting /sbin/init and creating a blank /etc/rc file, > if you're lucky you'll end up with an absolute bare bones root shell, from > which you can try entering commands until you hit on something which makes > it die. CTRL-ScrollLock and the proc filesystem could be your friends What I just tried is ln -s /bin/sh /sbin/init and I actually got a shell prompt! I can even start /bin/bash. The echo command works but it's probably the bash's internal echo. But when I execute a command link ls, I get ls to list the files and then boom. The terminal sometimes displays segmentation fault, sometimes it don't. And at that moment, the console is displaying this over and over: init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe60, lr=0x2002d728 (bad address=0x03fffe60,) It does the same thing whatever command I give it. It seems something is wrong with the exit code or such... At one time I got: [1] init: branch through zero Internal error: Oops: 0 CPU: 0 pc : [<00000004>] lr : [<2002d728>] sp : bffffe08 ip : 00000000 fp : 00000000 r10: 00000000 r9 : c000a7f8 r8 : 00000093 r7 : 00000050 r6 : c0081040 r5 : 00000000 r4 : 00000002 r3 : c0078ad0 r2 : 00000000 r1 : 00000001 r0 : d83e4070 Flags: nZCv IRQs off FIQs off Mode SVC_32 Process init (pid: 1, stackpage=c00fb000) Stack: Code: pc not in code space BTW: the ramdisk image is made up of a.out binaries, from the great work from the Itsy team. Again, does someone have a clue? Did other people had similar problem with 2.0.35? Thanks to everione who responded! Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 16 01:48:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27764 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:48:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA14477 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:48:46 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014475; Wed, 16 Sep 98 01:48:44 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36424 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6550-10585>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:46:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154524-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:44:12 -0400 Received: from Ocean.CAM.ORG ([198.168.100.5]:54872 "EHLO Ocean.CAM.ORG" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154866-22478>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:46:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA14015; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu cc: sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: <199809151852.TAA00389@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Lines: 20 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Linux 2.0 must, repeat must be compiled using GCC 2.7.2.2 - neither I, nor > any i386 Linux guru will provide any help for people trying to use a > different compiler. Taken. So I did. > Linux 2.0 is heavily optimised for GCC 2.7.2.2 only. If you get it to work, > I wish to great success. Should I spend more effort making Linux for Brutus working on 2.1.121+ or 2.0.35 is still a good target? Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 02:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02654 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:09:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA17565 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:09:21 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017554; Thu, 17 Sep 98 02:09:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9298 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6452-19607>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:01:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154861-8088>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:31:52 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1556 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <155016-8088>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:04:30 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zJ3ZP-00047e-00; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:27:35 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: nico@CAM.ORG (Nicolas Pitre), linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:51:59 BST." <199809151852.TAA00389@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:27:35 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Lines: 17 >Linux 2.0 must, repeat must be compiled using GCC 2.7.2.2 - neither I, nor >any i386 Linux guru will provide any help for people trying to use a >different compiler. To be fair, most of the problems with 2.0 on the i386 were due to bad asm() constraints in the Intel-specific headers, not any fundamental problem with the code. Getting it working on the ARM with gcc 2.8 or later probably wouldn't be all that big a deal, though you'd have to have a fairly compelling reason to want to do it. Incidentally, gcc 2.7.2.3 should be OK as well. The changes from 2.7.2.2 were trivial. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 16 15:24:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17840 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA16154 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:24:17 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016148; Wed, 16 Sep 98 15:24:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:10320 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5466-6379> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:23:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154080-21976>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:09:44 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:39865 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154067-21976> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:09:18 -0400 Received: from mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09738; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from aixterm9.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixterm9.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.49]) by mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16782; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:07 +0200 Received: (from shanske@localhost) by aixterm9.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id PAA62560; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:06 +0200 (METDST) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:06 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixterm9.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Eduard Pfarr cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? In-Reply-To: <054e38548%root@swol.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id PAA17840 Status: RO Content-Length: 1839 Lines: 47 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > »Matthew Wilcox « schrieb in Artikel > <19980914151728.J13051@genedata.com> folgendes: > > > On Mon, Sep 14, 1998 at 11:54:21AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > > Nedit relies on Motif/Lesstif. The problem is that I can't compile > > > Lesstif. In this mailing-list's archive I read about problems with it. > > > Has anybody successfully compiled Lesstif? > > > > Don't bother even trying until you have an ELF-based system. > > What is an ELF-based system? I've recompiled my kernel to inlcude ELF- > support. Still I've got a feeling that this isn't what you mean. ELF is a new binary format that allows easy creation of shared libraries and introduces position independent code to ARMLinux. You need a compiler that supports ELF and have to recompile the binaries to take advantage of it. > > Your fault. > > Well, yes, mine, since nobody else is trying to run Linux here... :-) > > > ./configure --host=arm-linuxaout would get you further. > > But even then, you're going to hit the same problems that everyone else > > has had. > > .. which are? Lesstif compiled fine, but every application gave a strange error message like this one: 'Trying to add non-widget child SiteDropManager to parent xxx which only supports widgets.' ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 13:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23537 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:12:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA18838 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:12:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018836; Thu, 17 Sep 98 13:12:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31248 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3414-14477>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:06:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154736-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:45:06 -0400 Received: from nas3-56.thefree.net ([195.34.195.184]:1070 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154755-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:44:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA02778; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:01:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:01:29 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden Reply-To: Alex Holden To: Nicolas Pitre cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: 2.0.35 for Brutus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.121 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 21 On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > probably the bash's internal echo. But when I execute a command like ls, > I get ls to list the files and then boom. The terminal sometimes displays > segmentation fault, sometimes it don't. And at that moment, the console > is displaying this over and over: > init: memory violation at pc=0x03fffe60, lr=0x2002d728 (bad > address=0x03fffe60,) > It does the same thing whatever command I give it. It seems something > is wrong with the exit code or such... Or the context switch... cache coherency? What happens if you run something in the background (something which doesn't exit) eg. cat /dev/zero > /dev/null & --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 04:27:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA04444 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:27:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17766 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:27:24 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017764; Thu, 17 Sep 98 04:27:13 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24371 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6725-19607>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:26:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154755-8088>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:01:05 -0400 Received: from [207.67.245.34] ([207.67.245.34]:8304 "EHLO ns1.netopolis.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155000-8088>; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:21:04 -0400 Received: from netopolis.net (blake@dt0b1n1a.san.rr.com [204.210.51.26]) by ns1.netopolis.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12079 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:18:47 -0700 Message-ID: <36004B62.6A6CD301@netopolis.net> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:36:03 -0700 From: Blake Binkley Organization: Netopolis, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux Subject: probably not the place to ask this but... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 537 Lines: 15 does anyone know if there's a mailing list for ARM SDK questions? if not, maybe someone here may be able to answer a problem I'm having with my brutus and the SDK is there a malloc/alloc/farmalloc function available? we have a large (320k) array that we are initializing with values in our code but any time we get beyond a certain size on the array it locks the Debugger up requiring a kill of the debuggers process and re-starting it. thanks for any help unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 11:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21613 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:58:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18651 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:58:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018649; Thu, 17 Sep 98 11:58:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12354 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3378-19607> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:54:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154685-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:27:57 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:43102 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154816-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:20:55 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.45]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA17511 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:39:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:39:01 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35FE5237.1BAD706F@treblig.org> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id LAA21613 Status: RO Content-Length: 1696 Lines: 39 »David Alan Gilbert « schrieb in Artikel <35FE5237.1BAD706F@treblig.org> folgendes: > Thats only half the battle; Now that you have a kernel which can load > ELF binaries you need to get a compiler/binutils/libraries which produce > ELF binaries. Those together with the ELF supporting kernel could be > called an 'ELF-based system'. > Those tools are coming together and if your confident you could > get them all and give them a go. I see. Still: The Netwinder developers have got an ELF system for their Armlinux. How does it come they've got all this running (also KDE) but Acorn Armlinux doesn't? I mean if they've got an ELF GCC, libs etc. why does this stuff to be re-invented for Acorn Armlinux? Well, naturally I see: Acorn Armlinux is done freely by motivated people like Russell King and some more, while the Netwinder is commercial. It was Acorn's task to support Armlinux, IMHO. > > Well, yes, mine, since nobody else is trying to run Linux here... :-) > > Hmm - we'll help you if you promise to try and convert everyone else > to the one true OS - fair :-) ? Absolutely. :-) Basically it's not too difficult to make typical Windoze developers (like me) to try out another OS - usually Linux. However they want to work, they don't want to become Linux/Unix gurus. They're used to have a comfortable GUI and tools and applications within that GUI etc. What's concerning this, Linux has to be _much_ improved and use standards in order to become »the one true OS«. So I need KDE which I'm told to meet my wishes. ;-) Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 12:46:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22342 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA18785 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:46:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018783; Thu, 17 Sep 98 12:46:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17738 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3718-14477>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:41:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154713-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:21:24 -0400 Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com ([192.68.44.33]:2698 "EHLO gw-nl1.philips.com" ident: "IDENT-NONSENSE") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154754-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:19:11 -0400 Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id MAA21595 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:37:54 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from mkoek@wi.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from natlab.research.philips.com (prle.natlab.research.philips.com [130.139.161.112]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with SMTP id MAA10348 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:37:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by natlab.research.philips.com; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:37:53 +0200 Message-Id: <3600E680.D5FA677F@wi.leidenuniv.nl> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:37:52 +0200 From: Mark Koek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/804) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 874 Lines: 23 Eduard Pfarr wrote: [snip] > Still: The Netwinder developers have got an ELF system for their Armlinux. > How does it come they've got all this running (also KDE) but Acorn Armlinux > doesn't? I mean if they've got an ELF GCC, libs etc. why does this stuff to > be re-invented for Acorn Armlinux? Well, naturally I see: Acorn Armlinux is > done freely by motivated people like Russell King and some more, while the > Netwinder is commercial. [snip] Isn't Linux released under the GPL? I thought this meant that any modifications have to be made freely available too? GCC certainly is released under the GPL. I think that if the kernel sources were used as a basis by Netwinder developers, all these extensions you're talking about should be made public too. Where's the mistake here? Mark Koek unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 15:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24480 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA19163 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:16:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019159; Thu, 17 Sep 98 15:16:15 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:62330 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3963-14477>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:08 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154713-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:24:18 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:12632 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154806-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:06:16 -0400 Received: from tiddles.oregan.net (tiddles.oregan.net [195.173.86.18]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23190 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:25:28 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:22:38 +0100 From: Phil Norman To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Acorn World '98 Message-ID: X-Organization: Xania X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 9 Hi. It seems there will no longer be a linux-arm presence at the Acorn World '98 show, because there will be no such show. Acorn are disbanding their workstation division (reducing employee count from 175 to 100), cancelling Phoebe (RiscPC II) and the Acorn World '98 show. Phil unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 16:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27657 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19459 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmac19447; Thu, 17 Sep 98 16:54:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3785-19607> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:27:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154911-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:37:14 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:44229 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154963-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:32:59 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.45]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAB7552 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:52:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:48:36 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Acorn World '98 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id QAA27657 Status: RO Content-Length: 893 Lines: 22 »Phil Norman « schrieb in Artikel folgendes: > seems there will no longer be a linux-arm presence at the Acorn World '98 > show, because there will be no such show. Acorn are disbanding their > workstation division (reducing employee count from 175 to 100), cancelling > Phoebe (RiscPC II) and the Acorn World '98 show. This really is very bad news. :-( Where did all those computer pioners go? Atari did bite the dust, then Amiga, now Acorn's Archimedes (call it RiscPC or whatever in its latest incarnation). Wintel cartells all over the place. What effects will this have on (Acorn-) ARM Linux? Hopefully none. Hi to David Alan (Gilbert): You're right, there's the one true OS - Linux. Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 16:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27655 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19458 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmab19447; Thu, 17 Sep 98 16:54:50 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54570 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3089-19607> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:21:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154909-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:36:51 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:44230 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154962-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:32:58 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.45]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAC7552 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:52:03 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:49:23 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3600E680.D5FA677F@wi.leidenuniv.nl> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id QAA27655 Status: RO Content-Length: 1018 Lines: 34 »Mark Koek « schrieb in Artikel <3600E680.D5FA677F@wi.leidenuniv.nl> folgendes: Hallo to Holland, [..] > Isn't Linux released under the GPL? I thought this meant that any > modifications have to be made freely available too? I think so. > GCC certainly is released under the GPL. > > I think that if the kernel sources were used as a basis by Netwinder > developers, all these extensions you're talking about should be made > public too. Maybe they are? Maybe some kind Corel Computer developers who run KDE in ELF format on their Netwinder's ARM Linux could help these questions? Or Russell King who helped them porting ARM Linux to their Netwinder? Thank you. :-) > Where's the mistake here? I don't know, unfortunately. But still I can hardly wait to see real GUI stuff (KDE etc) run on my Acorn's ARM Linux (am I repeating here?).. ;-) Cheers, Eduard. -- W3-Seite des Monats: http://www.javalobby.org unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 17:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29723 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA19608 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:58:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019605; Thu, 17 Sep 98 17:58:30 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:58638 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3726-19607>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:22:01 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154891-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:56:11 -0400 Received: from nas7-7.thefree.net ([195.34.196.135]:1102 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155002-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA03142 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:07:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:07:04 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Acorn World '98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.121 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 728 Lines: 16 On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Phil Norman wrote: > It seems there will no longer be a linux-arm presence at the Acorn World '98 > show, because there will be no such show. Acorn are disbanding their > workstation division (reducing employee count from 175 to 100), cancelling > Phoebe (RiscPC II) and the Acorn World '98 show. Oh dear. I was surprised they kept going as long as they did really. What is left of Acorn now then? Best wishes, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 17:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA29724 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA19609 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:58:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa19605; Thu, 17 Sep 98 17:58:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14390 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4022-14477>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:54:35 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155005-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:33:45 -0400 Received: from hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.101]:41725 "EHLO jess.gla.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155028-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:06:59 -0400 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.18]) by jess.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #1) id 0zJf0h-0006EY-00; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:26:15 +0100 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA15652; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:26:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:26:12 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk Reply-To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> To: Phil Norman cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Acorn World '98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 23 On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Phil Norman wrote: > Hi. > > It seems there will no longer be a linux-arm presence at the Acorn World '98 > show, because there will be no such show. Acorn are disbanding their > workstation division (reducing employee count from 175 to 100), cancelling > Phoebe (RiscPC II) and the Acorn World '98 show. ERK??????? Um, www.acorn.com doesn't mention this one.... Is this the end of acorn as we know it???? > Phil > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > -- James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 20:21:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA01923 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA19948 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:21:26 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019946; Thu, 17 Sep 98 20:21:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:11875 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3524-19607>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:09:02 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154947-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:19:46 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:56218 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154966-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 07:32:24 -0400 Received: from treblig.org by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id PAA17433; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:54:01 +0100 Message-ID: <360121DA.1F7032FD@treblig.org> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:51:06 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Acorn World '98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2214 Lines: 49 Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > Phil Norman schrieb in Artikel > folgendes: > > > seems there will no longer be a linux-arm presence at the Acorn World '98 > > show, because there will be no such show. Acorn are disbanding their > > workstation division (reducing employee count from 175 to 100), cancelling > > Phoebe (RiscPC II) and the Acorn World '98 show. > > This really is very bad news. :-( Where did all those computer pioners go? > Atari did bite the dust, then Amiga, now Acorn's Archimedes (call it RiscPC > or whatever in its latest incarnation). Wintel cartells all over the place. I seem to remember reading something about Acorn just having got a really big contract for set top box stuff; I think RiscOS will survive but not in as many obvious places. > What effects will this have on (Acorn-) ARM Linux? Hopefully none. None that I can think of. > Hi to David Alan (Gilbert): You're right, there's the one true OS - Linux. I think there is some chance for the RiscOS knowledgable to influence the development of GNOME etc in such a way that it can be taught to look and feel like RiscOS's better features; that wouldn't be a bad thing as far as I am concerned. I wonder what Acorns position is on binary licensing RiscOS binaries? I have an almost practical Archimedes emulator which I'm sure would become more popular now that you soon won't be able to buy the real thing. To those Acorn users that were thinking of buying a RiscPC2 then I suggest that you have choices of quite a few StrongARM PCI systems, of which the Corel Netwinder definitly scores nicely for geekness (in terms of video in/out etc) - although no expandibility (and I think is a lot less than the RiscPC2 was going to be). Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 18 15:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24401 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:19:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA21916 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:19:31 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021914; Fri, 18 Sep 98 15:19:27 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17015 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8551-22630>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:11:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154051-8088>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:35:31 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:2010 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154104-8088>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 05:34:51 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA16618; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:00:34 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17370; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:28:19 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA00798; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:26:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199809172326.AAA00798@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? To: mkoek@wi.leidenuniv.nl (Mark Koek) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:26:28 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <3600E680.D5FA677F@wi.leidenuniv.nl> from "Mark Koek" at Sep 17, 98 12:37:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1481 Lines: 27 Mark Koek writes: > Isn't Linux released under the GPL? I thought this meant that any > modifications have to be made freely available too? > GCC certainly is released under the GPL. It is. Modifications do not have to be freely available if the public never see the binaries. Basically, the GPL allows you to modify the software for your own needs. You may choose to make the software available to others, but if you do, there must be source code available by some means/method. Currently, the gnome stuff that I have been working on is not much more than compilation attempts. Since I have not made any binaries available, there is no obligation for me to release any changes I've made to it. Generally though, gnome compiles cleanly on the Netwinder (if you get the right versions of everything). There is one stumbling block with structure alignment and the configure scripts to take care of though. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 17 16:54:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27656 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA19457 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:54:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa19447; Thu, 17 Sep 98 16:54:46 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24173 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3097-14477>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 16:57:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154833-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:27:20 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:4649 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154954-8088>; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:20:29 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 281 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:40:46 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.84.41]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 367; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:36:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3601BD85.37C265AF@corelcomputer.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:55:17 -0400 From: Scott Bambrough Organization: Corel Computer Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Koek , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: When will KDE / Gnome bins be available for Armlinux? References: <3600E680.D5FA677F@wi.leidenuniv.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 3180 Lines: 79 Mark Koek wrote: > > Eduard Pfarr wrote: > [snip] > > Still: The Netwinder developers have got an ELF system for their Armlinux. > > How does it come they've got all this running (also KDE) but Acorn Armlinux > > doesn't? I mean if they've got an ELF GCC, libs etc. why does this stuff to > > be re-invented for Acorn Armlinux? Well, naturally I see: Acorn Armlinux is > > done freely by motivated people like Russell King and some more, while the > > Netwinder is commercial. > [snip] > > Isn't Linux released under the GPL? I thought this meant that any > modifications have to be made freely available too? > GCC certainly is released under the GPL. > > I think that if the kernel sources were used as a basis by Netwinder > developers, all these extensions you're talking about should be made > public too. > Before this goes to far, I would like to point out that everything Corel Computer has done to the kernel, glibc, gcc, binutils and gdb has been made publically available on netwinder.org. The same goes for our changes to other software released under the GPL. All relevant changes have been passed back to Russell and Phil for inclusion in the mainstream software trees. We made a decision several months ago that if we were to have a system comparable to Linux on an Intel platform we would need ELF. To that end Pat Beirne and I worked with Russell King, Phil Blundell, and Lee Smith to move ELF forward on ArmLinux. The results of our work is freely available now. I would also like to point out that KDE was ported to the NetWinder by Jon Olson, and Raffaele Sena, neither of whom is a Corel Computer employee. Kudos are due to dedicated, hardworking people like them, Russell and Phil who work on ArmLinux in their spare time. Building an ArmLinux ELF system from scratch requires a kernel that can run ELF executables, a compiler and binutils that can generate ELF executables, plus a great deal of fortitude and patience for compiling, and testing newly built ELF executables. ELF isn't really the biggest hangup for porting, it is usually the change from libc4/libc5 to glibc that causes the biggest problems with C programs. With C++ programs the worst problem is the rapidly changing libstdc++ and glibc source trees. A smaller problem is the compiler's support for the more complex C++ language mechanisms (templates, rtti). Jon Olson reported several problems he encountered when porting KDE. There are a couple of sources of ported software (ie ported to ELF/glibc) besides Russell's site. Andrew Mileski and Zac Sprackett continue on porting the Redhat 5.1 RPM's to build on the NetWinder. These are available on netwinder.org. These should be easily converted for running on ArmLinux on an Acorn (just ensure that they are compiled for appropriate cpu and architechure). The Debian guys have a port in the works of the Debian distribution to run on the NetWinder. It would not be a stretch to change the architechure/cpu and get it to build to run on ArmLinux on an Acorn. Scott Bambrough Corel Computer Corporation scottb@corelcomputer.com unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 18 19:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29128 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:55:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22404 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:55:01 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022402; Fri, 18 Sep 98 19:54:34 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1121 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8374-22630>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:51:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154254-8088>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from nas4-41.thefree.net ([195.34.195.233]:1116 "EHLO hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154256-8088>; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:43:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (IDENT:alex@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hyperspace.m1cjd.ampr.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA02714; Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:10:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 17:10:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alex Holden Reply-To: Alex Holden To: David Alan Gilbert cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Acorn World '98 In-Reply-To: <360121DA.1F7032FD@treblig.org> Message-ID: X-OS: Linux-2.1.121 X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Subliminal-Message: Use Linux! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1624 Lines: 30 On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, David Alan Gilbert wrote: > I think there is some chance for the RiscOS knowledgable to influence the > development of GNOME etc in such a way that it can be taught to look and > feel like RiscOS's better features; that wouldn't be a bad thing as far > as I am concerned. One of the best things about GNOME, GTK, and Enlightenment (IHMO) is their configurability. Soon, virtually nothing "look and feel" related will be compiled in- it is all stored in theme files. It shouldn't be necessary to "influence the development of GNOME etc", as it is already being designed in such a way that you can easily set it up to look and feel however you want (a paradise for those who like to tinker about with every aspect of their interface). Eventually, if someone creates a RiscOS theme (or a MAC OS theme, or a W98 theme, or an Amiga theme...), you should be able to just install it, set your environment variables to use it, and magically your desktop will look and feel like a RiscOS one. Or perhaps you meant you wanted the default theme (the one it comes configured with "out of the box") to be a RiscOS clone? I don't think that would be such a big deal anyway, as it will be possible to switch themes on demand at the click of a mouse, and people will just use whatever suits them best anyway. Best wishes, Alex. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 20 10:00:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03332 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:00:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA25529 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:00:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025527; Sun, 20 Sep 98 10:00:29 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24881 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11049-9933>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:59:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154023-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:21:16 -0400 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl ([194.109.6.53]:2991 "EHLO smtp3.xs4all.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153968-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:20:46 -0400 Received: from straumli (straumli.xs4all.nl [194.109.15.17]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05307 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:58:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:57:38 +0200 From: Sander van der Wal To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: crash on startup of Linux Message-ID: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1543 Lines: 55 Hi I'm trying to install arm linux from the Acorn CDRom, following the instructions as given by Paul Vigay. I've installed it on my second ide disc (a 2.1 GB one). Everything went ok up to step 82 of Paul's instructions, because the kernel crashed with the messages below (hope I copied them right) Partition check hda: [ADFS] hda1 hdb: [ADFS] hdb1 [Linux] hdb2 EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck recommended INIT: version 2.64 booting Bad mode in prefetch abort handler detected: mode SVC_32 Internal error: Oops: 0 CPU 0 pc: [] lr: [] sp: c1ec92c4 ip: c1ec9f1c fp: c1ec9f18 r10: 00000000 r9: 0001d000 r8: 00019f80 r7: 0000007a r6: c1ec8098 r5: 00000000 r4: c1ff49f8 r3: 00000001 r2: c2805000 r1: 00000000 r0: c280af6c flags: nZCv IRQs on FIQs on Mode SVC_32 Process insmod Stack: backtrace: Function entered at [] from [] Function entered at [] from [] r9=c1ec9fb8 r8=00018000 r7=0001d000 r6=c0106170 r5=00006094 r4=03fffd8c Function entered at [] from [] r8=c1ec9ff4 r7=00900080 r6=00000080 r5=c1eca018 r4=00019f80 Code: pc not in code space I'm using a StrongArm in a RPC600. Thank you for your time. -- Sander These systems people never changed. They could work miracles, but at the same time they claimed perfectly reasonable requests were impossible. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 20 16:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08739 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:52:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA26054 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:52:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026052; Sun, 20 Sep 98 16:51:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:23858 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "root") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3958-9933>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:41:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154400-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 06:48:25 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1833 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154528-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 06:43:00 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA04923; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:52:08 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20238; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:26:31 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA00973; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:28:53 +0100 Message-Id: <199809200828.JAA00973@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: crash on startup of Linux To: svdwal@xs4all.nl (Sander van der Wal) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:28:52 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sander van der Wal" at Sep 20, 98 09:57:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 22 Sander van der Wal writes: > I'm trying to install arm linux from the Acorn CDRom, following the > instructions as given by Paul Vigay. I've installed it on my second > ide disc (a 2.1 GB one). Everything went ok up to step 82 of Paul's > instructions, because the kernel crashed with the messages below (hope > I copied them right) >... > pc: [] > lr: [] This problem is covered on the FAQ. Please see the 3rd question in the 'Booting / Rebooting problems' section. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 20 14:59:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07307 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA25918 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:59:05 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma025916; Sun, 20 Sep 98 14:58:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24069 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3365-9933>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:58:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154335-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 05:17:56 -0400 Received: from hme0.serv1.is1.u-net.net ([195.102.240.129]:41237 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154343-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 05:16:38 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zKjxb-0002OM-00; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:55:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:53:04 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Chimera v 2.a09 Message-ID: <2578b8848%rob@oac.u-net.com> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 620 Lines: 12 I'm still trying to get Chimera to compile. It's complaining about missing libraries, these seem to be in /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2.2 How do I get this included in the paths? -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 21 00:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15134 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:06:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA26637 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:06:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026635; Mon, 21 Sep 98 00:06:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:5441 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <8453-22523>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:04:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154093-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:26:26 -0400 Received: from hme0.serv1.is1.u-net.net ([195.102.240.129]:44947 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154820-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 12:10:14 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zKqSL-0003V5-00; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:51:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:37:55 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Chimera v 2.a09 Message-ID: <9f67b08848%rob@oac.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <2578b8848%rob@oac.u-net.com> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 927 Lines: 21 In message <2578b8848%rob@oac.u-net.com> Rob Davis wrote: > I'm still trying to get Chimera to compile. It's complaining > about missing libraries, these seem to be in > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2.2 > How do I get this included in the paths? Got it working now by putting a symbolic link in to gcc-lib arm-linux-aout to armlinux, and 2.6.0 to 2.7.1.1 There must be a file somewhere that explains what paths to look fir headers in that I can edit? -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org or rdavis@emobile.co.uk to phone * The box said "For Windows 95 or better", so I'm using an Acorn. * unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 21 05:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19702 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:13:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA27044 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:13:10 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma027042; Mon, 21 Sep 98 05:12:47 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:9786 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <9143-22523>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:12:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154706-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:13:27 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:18461 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154043-16160>; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:55:51 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA26677; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:38:30 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15834; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:38:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for rob.davis@oaci.org; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980921023851.K10103@genedata.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 02:38:51 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: rob.davis@oaci.org, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Chimera v 2.a09 References: <2578b8848%rob@oac.u-net.com> <9f67b08848%rob@oac.u-net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <9f67b08848%rob@oac.u-net.com>; from Rob Davis on Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 08:37:55PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1670 Lines: 37 On Sun, Sep 20, 1998 at 08:37:55PM +0100, Rob Davis wrote: > In message <2578b8848%rob@oac.u-net.com> > Rob Davis wrote: > > > I'm still trying to get Chimera to compile. It's complaining > > about missing libraries, these seem to be in > > /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-unknown-linuxaout/2.7.2.2 > > How do I get this included in the paths? > > Got it working now by putting a symbolic link in to > gcc-lib arm-linux-aout to armlinux, and 2.6.0 to 2.7.1.1 > There must be a file somewhere that explains what paths > to look fir headers in that I can edit? Mmmm... you're possibly doing something slightly wrong; I'm not entirely sure why it's looking for `armlinux' instead of `arm-linux-aout'. Did you perhaps specify `armlinux' as a configuration option somewhere? If you run `gcc -v sourcefile.c', you get all sorts of juicy information, such as.. #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: /usr/local/include /usr/i486-linux/include /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.3/include /usr/include End of search list. Bear in mind you can use -I to specify include file paths and -L to specify library paths. I still think it's a configuration problem somewhere, though I'm mystified why it's trying the 2.6.0 version of the compiler. It might be bogus cruft lying around. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 21 21:06:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08623 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:06:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA29397 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:06:40 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029395; Mon, 21 Sep 98 21:06:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:26188 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6667-22523>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:02:47 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154156-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:23:06 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:45443 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154302-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:04:07 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12358 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:52:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA18804; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:52:35 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:52:35 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: ARMLinux mailing list Subject: Ethernet cards Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 701 Lines: 17 Hi, is there any information available if the Ethernet cards AEH78 or AEH99 will work with ARMLinux?!? I just know that they're produced by i-cubed and distributed by Acorn. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 21 23:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11003 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA29628 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:37:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029626; Mon, 21 Sep 98 23:37:11 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:60978 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10993-19203> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:36:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154671-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:05:22 -0400 Received: from POP3.tu-dresden.de ([141.30.2.83]:37020 "HELO POP3.tu-dresden.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154657-16160> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:27:28 -0400 Received: from rmail.urz.tu-dresden.de by rks3 with SMTP (PP); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:12:21 +0200 Received: from rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (actually Rcs1.urz.tu-dresden.de) by rmail with SMTP (PP); Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:14:04 +0200 Received: from Sirius ([141.30.230.105]) by rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18370; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:16:05 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:13:16 +0100 From: Peter Teichmann To: Stefan Hanske Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ethernet cards Message-ID: <4889377A11%teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de> In-Reply-To: Organization: My home is my castle! X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de id VAA18370 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id XAA11003 Status: RO Content-Length: 742 Lines: 18 > is there any information available if the Ethernet cards AEH78 or AEH99 > will work with ARMLinux?!? I just know that they're produced by i-cubed > and distributed by Acorn. I have a AEH78 which says the following after typing "podules": Netzwerk-Steckkarte: Acorn Risc PC/A7000 interface © i-cubed ltd, EtherLan 600A (xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx) It works without problems with Armlinux and manages up to 900kBytes/sec if connected to a fast server, that means the driver is in a good state. -- Peter Teichmann ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: teich-p@rcs.urz.tu-dresden.de WWW: rcswww.urz.tu-dresden.de/~teich-p unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 21 23:12:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10574 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:12:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA29590 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:12:41 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029588; Mon, 21 Sep 98 23:12:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:32571 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10542-19203>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:08:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154314-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:50:49 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:19090 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154706-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:34:04 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29422; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:13 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08822; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:23:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:23:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980921232335.D24926@genedata.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:23:35 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Stefan Hanske , ARMLinux mailing list Subject: Re: Ethernet cards References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Stefan Hanske on Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 06:52:35PM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Lines: 14 On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 at 06:52:35PM +0200, Stefan Hanske wrote: > is there any information available if the Ethernet cards AEH78 or AEH99 > will work with ARMLinux?!? I just know that they're produced by i-cubed > and distributed by Acorn. These cards are, I believe, better known as `EtherH' or `EtherLAN x00'. They are listed on the web page as supported. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 22 03:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14516 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 03:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA30020 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 03:14:49 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma030018; Tue, 22 Sep 98 03:14:28 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:299 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10392-19203>; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:12:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154712-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:31:45 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1209 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154264-16160>; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:42:28 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zLFGu-0000uz-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:21:32 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ethernet cards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:52:35 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:21:32 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 311 Lines: 10 >is there any information available if the Ethernet cards AEH78 or AEH99 >will work with ARMLinux?!? I just know that they're produced by i-cubed >and distributed by Acorn. If those are the EtherH series then yes, they should. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 24 06:28:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA16535 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA04040 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 06:28:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004038; Thu, 24 Sep 98 06:28:06 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:2584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3770-7508>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 07:27:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <156887-16160>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1851 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154023-16160>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:24:31 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup1.cymru.net [163.164.160.65]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA21696; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:22:22 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24633; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:58:56 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA01140; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:01:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199809222301.AAA01140@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: installation problems To: catharine_barnes@pa.press.net (Catharine Barnes) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:01:22 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Catharine Barnes" at Sep 21, 98 09:30:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1330 Lines: 25 Catharine Barnes writes: > My ARMLinux directory that contains the RPMs and other files is on my > first HD, and I have no trouble mounting this as hda. > However, although the system information lists my second HD as 'hdc: > [ICS]' I am unable to mount it. I understand from the armlinux site that > an ICS interface driver is required in order to do this. Can anyone tell > me where I can get this from and what I need to do with it. Does the kernel display anything after the hdc: [ICS] on that line? Also, if it's got this far, then the kernel has the ICS driver in it (I'm using an ICS card at the moment, but it's set up without an ICS partition table on it). Since I don't have the ICS partitioning program, I can't try this out myself directly. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 24 00:17:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11309 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:17:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA03505 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:17:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003503; Thu, 24 Sep 98 00:17:09 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22533 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3603-5532>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:14:07 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154605-16160>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:56:04 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:53320 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154660-16160>; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:10:06 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zLodv-0005jz-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:07:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:08:21 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: SyQyest EZFlyer Parallel Message-ID: Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 5 Has anyone got the paride, epat and pd modules to work yet. -- Rob Davis unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Sep 24 18:00:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02412 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:00:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA05587 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:00:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005580; Thu, 24 Sep 98 17:59:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54284 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6414-5532>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:45:24 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154632-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:07:11 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:20985 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <156551-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:34:48 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04655 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:37:16 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22073 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:37:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980924133731.C345@genedata.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:37:31 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: no VRAM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 12 Am I correct in thinking that the console does not yet work on a RiscPC without VRAM or on an A7000/A7000+? I know this was the case a year ago, but with the new console changes that have gone into late 2.1.x, I was wondering if it was still true. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 25 07:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14893 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07074 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:33:43 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa07068; Fri, 25 Sep 98 07:33:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12903 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4036-18615> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:50:18 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155040-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:43:34 -0400 Received: from ba1.augsburg.baynet.de ([194.95.202.130]:5686 "EHLO ba1.augsburg.baynet.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155074-16160> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:49:37 -0400 Received: from ba471101 (dial048.augsburg.baynet.de [194.95.202.18]) by ba1.augsburg.baynet.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA28224 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:53:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:49:33 +0200 From: Richard Atterer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Ghostscript problem Message-ID: <488A9FDAA0%atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Reply-To: atterer@augsburg.baynet.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id HAA14893 Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 20 Hello, Ghostscript as supplied in ghostscript-2.6.2-5.arm.rpm doesn't seem to work for me. When invoked, it prints "Initializing..." and then crashes with a segmentation fault. This also happens if I try to use it via Ghostview. Is this just me or do others have the same problem? I'm using the 2.0.35 kernel on a SA RiscPC. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | \/¯| http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/ raFS V1.13 ¯ ´` ¯ ... I'm sure it's in the PRMs somewhere... unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 25 06:44:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA14107 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id GAA06959 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:44:12 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa06955; Fri, 25 Sep 98 06:43:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12903 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5594-13445>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:35:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154160-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:32:10 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:44124 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154469-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:29:44 -0400 Received: from [194.222.203.84] (helo=merton-house.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zMFGT-0005yX-00 for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:33:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:31:15 +0100 (BST) From: Matt Nicholls Subject: ELF To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Matt Nicholls X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 592 Lines: 17 Hello. I would like to get ELF working on my ARM Linux system and was wondering whether anyone would like to explain exactly what I need to do to get ELF functioning under ARM. Thanks in advance, -- __ __ _ _ _ _ | \/ |__ _| |_| |_ _ _| \| | matt@merton-house.demon.co.uk | |\/| / _` | _| _| || | .` | www.altern.org/dhcomet/ |_| |_\__,_|\__|\__|\_, |_|\_| ICQ UIN : 15479212 |__/ Sorry officer, I thought the amber light meant accelerate very quickly unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 25 07:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14894 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07073 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:33:43 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma007068; Fri, 25 Sep 98 07:33:20 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12903 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6341-18615>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:44:19 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153993-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:42:13 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:2701 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155091-16160>; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:21:37 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:25:21 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.201] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:25:20 0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:10:04 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Three questions... Message-ID: <1333bd8a48%root@usa.net> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1436 Lines: 37 Hello again, Three brief questions for those who know more about ArmLinux than I: 1. Is there going to be a complete elf release of ArmLinux for Acorn machines at some point in the future? It would be really useful to have proper linked executables, especially as some simple X applications (using the GTK) have binaries several megabytes in size. Does more work need to be done on elf, or is it just a case of someone spending a lot of time putting together the distribution. 2. Does anyone else have problems with this mailing list - I keep being thrown off it! The messages just stop coming, and I have to resubscribe every week or so. This didn't used to be much of a problem as I could read the archives on http://www.findmail.com/listsaver/linux-arm/ but this doesn't seem to be kept up-to-date any more - has it been "unsubscribed"? 3. I'm /still/ trying to compile The Gimp, but my recompiled (statically linked) ld from Binutils 2.8 gives this error: ld: memory violation at pc=0x00031700, lr=0x6001ba80 (bad address=0x00000004, code 3) gcc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal signal 11 Does anyone understand this at all? Thanks in advance for any help, Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 25 14:26:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25424 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:26:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA08030 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:26:14 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008028; Fri, 25 Sep 98 14:26:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45105 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6752-18615>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:23:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154051-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:32:00 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:1170 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154949-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:26:34 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zMUlG-00082e-00; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:06:02 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zMUlF-0003UN-00; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:06:01 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: chris.sawer@usa.net cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:10:04 BST." <1333bd8a48%root@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:06:00 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 35 >1. Is there going to be a complete elf release of ArmLinux for Acorn machines >at some point in the future? It would be really useful to have proper linked >executables, especially as some simple X applications (using the GTK) have >binaries several megabytes in size. Does more work need to be done on elf, or >is it just a case of someone spending a lot of time putting together the >distribution. The Debian people are working on an ELF-based distribution. It should work on Acorn machines without too much trouble. I don't know what the current status is though. We're almost at the stage where it's just a case of someone putting in the time and cycles to build all the packages. But there are a couple of things that need sorting out in the ELF tools first. Jim Pick is working on this. >2. Does anyone else have problems with this mailing list - I keep being >thrown off it! The messages just stop coming, and I have to resubscribe every Your mail is probably bouncing. >3. I'm /still/ trying to compile The Gimp, but my recompiled (statically >linked) ld from Binutils 2.8 gives this error: > >ld: memory violation at pc=0x00031700, lr=0x6001ba80 >(bad address=0x00000004, code 3) >gcc: Internal compiler error: program ld got fatal signal 11 > >Does anyone understand this at all? The linker tried to dereference NULL. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Fri Sep 25 16:53:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02107 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:53:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA08423 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:53:14 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma008421; Fri, 25 Sep 98 16:52:44 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:65378 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10253-18615>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:48:40 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154150-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 06:11:26 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:44646 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154839-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 05:41:16 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA14239; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:48:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA26149; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:48:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:48:37 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: atterer@augsburg.baynet.de Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ghostscript problem In-Reply-To: <488A9FDAA0%atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1183 Lines: 26 On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Richard Atterer wrote: > Hello, > > Ghostscript as supplied in ghostscript-2.6.2-5.arm.rpm doesn't seem to > work for me. When invoked, it prints "Initializing..." and then crashes > with a segmentation fault. This also happens if I try to use it via > Ghostview. Is this just me or do others have the same problem? > > I'm using the 2.0.35 kernel on a SA RiscPC. I got the same problem. You can use gs directly if you specify any other output device than the X11 display. So, if you want to render some page, specify i.e. the jpeg device and an output file and watch it with xv. That's the only way I got it doing anything at all. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 00:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11018 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA09387 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:38:44 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009384; Sat, 26 Sep 98 00:38:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40803 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3913-23644>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:35:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154730-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:14:21 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1495 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154984-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:03 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup6.cymru.net [163.164.160.70]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA31739; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:08:18 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27254; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:44:32 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00398; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:46:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199809251846.TAA00398@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Three questions... To: chris.sawer@usa.net Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:46:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <1333bd8a48%root@usa.net> from "Chris Sawer" at Sep 24, 98 08:10:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1485 Lines: 33 Chris Sawer writes: > 2. Does anyone else have problems with this mailing list - I keep being > thrown off it! The messages just stop coming, and I have to resubscribe every > week or so. This didn't used to be much of a problem as I could read the > archives on http://www.findmail.com/listsaver/linux-arm/ but this doesn't > seem to be kept up-to-date any more - has it been "unsubscribed"? I don't see why this is happening - I haven't received any bounces from the list for usa.net since 24 June, when there was a major DNS failure on the Internet (and that produced a 55k non-delivery report for almost everyone on the list). As far as the subscription/unsubscription records go, you've subscribed on: Jul 10, Aug 30, Sep 17, Sep 22 and unsubscribed on: Jul 23 Maybe vger's having an argument with you? I'll mail the majordomo owner and find out what's going on... Does anyone else have this problem? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 00:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11019 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA09388 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:38:44 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa09384; Sat, 26 Sep 98 00:38:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:40803 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6675-23644>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:36:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154884-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:14:32 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1506 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154992-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:00:20 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup6.cymru.net [163.164.160.70]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA31743; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:08:21 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27261; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:46:22 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA00423; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:48:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199809251848.TAA00423@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Ghostscript problem To: shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Stefan Hanske) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:48:49 +0100 (BST) Cc: atterer@augsburg.baynet.de, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Stefan Hanske" at Sep 25, 98 03:48:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1368 Lines: 25 Stefan Hanske writes: > On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, Richard Atterer wrote: > > Ghostscript as supplied in ghostscript-2.6.2-5.arm.rpm doesn't seem to > > work for me. When invoked, it prints "Initializing..." and then crashes > > with a segmentation fault. This also happens if I try to use it via > > Ghostview. Is this just me or do others have the same problem? > > > > I'm using the 2.0.35 kernel on a SA RiscPC. > > I got the same problem. You can use gs directly if you specify any other > output device than the X11 display. So, if you want to render some page, > specify i.e. the jpeg device and an output file and watch it with xv. > That's the only way I got it doing anything at all. Ok, so what are the exact conditions that this happens? Could you give the exact command line please? _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 02:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA13125 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA09606 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:14 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009604; Sat, 26 Sep 98 02:55:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:6690 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11165-21713>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:51:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155423-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:30326 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155490-16160>; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:51:51 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id PAA10012; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:00:57 -0700 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 25 Sep 1998 15:00:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: Philip Blundell's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:06:00 +0100" Message-ID: <87d88j97je.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > The Debian people are working on an ELF-based distribution. It > should work on Acorn machines without too much trouble. I don't > know what the current status is though. I don't see why it wouldn't work. I don't know of anybody that has tried in on a non-NetWinder machine (if you supply your own kernel - we don't have one yet). I'd like to see it running on an Acorn box. (any volunteers?) http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ We have a chroot image - it should be possible to pop it into a directory on a Linux/ARM machine (with ELF executable support) to see if it will run. The project has stalled a bit in the last few weeks as everybody waits for me to put out a new glibc. Hopefully things will start moving again soon. Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 22:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29971 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA11249 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:33:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011247; Sat, 26 Sep 98 22:33:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:329 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11104-23644>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:32:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153869-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:15:43 -0400 Received: from Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE ([137.248.9.4]:2281 "EHLO Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153864-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:15:29 -0400 Received: from Kaletsch (sppp104.Stud-PPP.Uni-Marburg.DE [137.248.9.236]) by Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA36712 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:31:39 +0200 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:39:28 +0200 From: Martin Kaletsch To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: fvwm Message-ID: <5e9aa68b48%Kaletsch@kaletsch.uni-marburg.de> X-Organization: Studenten der Universitaet Marburg X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 16 During the last days I was fighting with fvwm and fvwm2 ;-) They more or less work, but I just don't understand, where the configuration files, which are used when there are non in the home dir, are stored. # man fvwm tells me it ist in usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm (or fvwm2, same story). But the system.fvwmrc files there are definitely not the ones used, as far as I can see. The defined menus and the used ones are quite different. I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are this standart configuration files? -- Martin Kaletsch unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 21:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29275 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:53:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA11194 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:53:22 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011183; Sat, 26 Sep 98 21:53:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64549 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6789-23644> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:49:57 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153873-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:33:13 -0400 Received: from ba1.augsburg.baynet.de ([194.95.202.130]:6711 "EHLO ba1.augsburg.baynet.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154097-16160> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:28:43 -0400 Received: from ba471101 (dial066.augsburg.baynet.de [194.95.202.102]) by ba1.augsburg.baynet.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA27599 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:44:28 +0200 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:43:16 +0200 From: Richard Atterer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ghostscript problem Message-ID: <488BC7E8D3%atterer@informatik.tu-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: <199809251848.TAA00423@raistlin.armlinux.org> Reply-To: atterer@augsburg.baynet.de X-Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id VAA29275 Status: RO Content-Length: 559 Lines: 18 In article <199809251848.TAA00423@raistlin.armlinux.org> Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > Ok, so what are the exact conditions that this happens? Could you > give the exact command line please? It happens always, and any command line will do, even just "gs". Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | \/¯| http://home.augsburg.baynet.de/richard.atterer/ raFS V1.13 ¯ ´` ¯ ... Buy Acorn - our OS is never tested on animals! unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 22:41:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00146 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA11272 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:41:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011270; Sat, 26 Sep 98 22:41:11 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20560 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10476-23644>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:40:53 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153869-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:24:00 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:1953 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <153864-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:23:37 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zN0z7-0005AF-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:30:29 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Martin Kaletsch cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: fvwm In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Sep 1998 15:39:28 +0200." <5e9aa68b48%Kaletsch@kaletsch.uni-marburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 21:30:29 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 436 Lines: 13 >I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are >this standart configuration files? In the place where you specified when you configured fvwm. If you didn't, or they don't exist, I think fvwm (at least some versions of it) falls back on internal defaults. You can use strace to find out exactly where it's looking, of course. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 22:09:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29606 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:09:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA11223 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:09:22 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011220; Sat, 26 Sep 98 22:08:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:64549 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6789-21713>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:05:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153883-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:48:33 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:5879 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154091-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:46:10 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA11206 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:02:11 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29507 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:02:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980927000229.L345@genedata.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:02:29 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: new booter front end for Acorn users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 916 Lines: 18 Thought I'd let people know that I've just released my first cut at a replacement front end for Russell's booter. You can get it from my web page (http://users.ch.genedata.com/~mrw/armlinux/) and play with it. Read the !Help file. I'm looking for overall criticism of concept at this stage rather than `feature foo isn't working'. My basic premise is to get rid of the loadmap / boot.conf stuff, and boot the kernel directly. IscaFS may be of great help to those who do not already have it; you can obtain this from ftp://ftp.barnet.ac.uk/pub/Acorn/armlinux/iscafs/iscafs.zip -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sat Sep 26 22:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00213 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:48:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA11282 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:48:53 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma011280; Sat, 26 Sep 98 22:48:46 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20560 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10796-23644>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:48:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154234-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:6268 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154185-16160>; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:31:20 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA11277; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:47:30 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00208; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:47:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Kaletsch@Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:47:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980927004747.M345@genedata.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:47:47 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Philip Blundell , Martin Kaletsch Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: fvwm References: <5e9aa68b48%Kaletsch@kaletsch.uni-marburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Philip Blundell on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:30:29PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 23 On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 09:30:29PM +0100, Philip Blundell wrote: > >I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are > >this standart configuration files? > > In the place where you specified when you configured fvwm. If you didn't, or > they don't exist, I think fvwm (at least some versions of it) falls back on > internal defaults. > > You can use strace to find out exactly where it's looking, of course. I prefer using `strings' on binaries to find out this sort of information. Grepping the output for `/' reduces the search space considerably, of course. By the way, the fvwm-riscos I was demoing at Wakefield that various people have asked me for is on a machine in England whch is turned off and sat in a packing box, so I can't release it till I get home. Sorry. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 27 10:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17675 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:26:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA12220 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:25:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012218; Sun, 27 Sep 98 10:25:58 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:30260 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10702-26965>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:25:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153990-16160>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:05:42 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:52358 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153883-16160>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:05:27 -0400 Received: from [158.152.96.167] (helo=defaid.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNC7o-0000hL-00; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:24:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (melanie@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by defaid.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA02083; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:31:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:31:18 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Rhianna Lewis To: Martin Kaletsch cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: fvwm In-Reply-To: <5e9aa68b48%Kaletsch@kaletsch.uni-marburg.de> Message-ID: Organization: Trans-world BBS [+44 117 904 0901] X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Host: Melanie's Linux Box - Mournblade X-MandM-To: ALL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1336 Lines: 34 Hi, On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Martin Kaletsch wrote: > During the last days I was fighting with fvwm and fvwm2 ;-) > They more or less work, but I just don't understand, where the > configuration files, which are used when there are non in the home dir, > are stored. > # man fvwm > tells me it ist in usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fvwm (or fvwm2, same story). > But the system.fvwmrc files there are definitely not the ones used, as > far as I can see. The defined menus and the used ones are quite > different. They're in /etc/X11. You should look at .xinitrc & .Xclients both in your home directory and put a .fvwmrc file there too. > I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are > this standart configuration files? This is the fault of RedHat who move files around and stuff and so the man pages never tally with the actual situation. This is why I now use SlackWare on my intel box. Melanie -- ===================================================================== Melanie Rhianna Lewis melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk "An it hurt none, do what thou will" http://www.defaid.demon.co.uk TLBB#2 TGMCC#1 - MZ125, X7 (Under re-construction) ===================================================================== unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 19:51:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06341 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA16111 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:51:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16107; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:50:59 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57956 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10755-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:48:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154478-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:11:05 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1746 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154325-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:50:46 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup5.cymru.net [163.164.160.69]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA20646; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:22:24 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA30688; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:06:13 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00438; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:08:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199809270908.KAA00438@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: fvwm To: melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk (Melanie Rhianna Lewis) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:08:47 +0100 (BST) Cc: Kaletsch@Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Melanie Rhianna Lewis" at Sep 27, 98 00:31:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1222 Lines: 23 Melanie Rhianna Lewis writes: > > I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are > > this standart configuration files? > > This is the fault of RedHat who move files around and stuff and so the man > pages never tally with the actual situation. This is why I now use > SlackWare on my intel box. I seem to remember (I can't find my FHS document) that the Linux FHS standard says that the X11 configuration files are supposed to be in /etc/X11 (although I'd tend to disagree). If this is correct, then it's not RedHat who like to move configuration files around but the people who define the filesystem layout standards... _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Sun Sep 27 17:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27602 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:29:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA12774 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:29:00 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma012772; Sun, 27 Sep 98 17:28:54 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:27174 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6774-26965>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:27:14 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154244-4055>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:04:29 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:20668 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153886-4055>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:01:16 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12758; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:21:42 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27444; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:21:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Kaletsch@Stud-Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980927192200.O345@genedata.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:22:00 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Melanie Rhianna Lewis , Martin Kaletsch Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: fvwm References: <5e9aa68b48%Kaletsch@kaletsch.uni-marburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Melanie Rhianna Lewis on Sun, Sep 27, 1998 at 12:31:18AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 19 On Sun, Sep 27, 1998 at 12:31:18AM +0100, Melanie Rhianna Lewis wrote: > > I hate it when a prog does something I don't understand. So: Where are > > this standart configuration files? > > This is the fault of RedHat who move files around and stuff and so the man > pages never tally with the actual situation. This is why I now use > SlackWare on my intel box. Ahem. No distribution wars here, please! Also bear in mind that the RedHat-based distribution that Russell has made is rather out-of-date with respect to new RedHat distributions. Have patience, there's not much longer to wait now. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 28 09:29:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22092 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA14195 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:29:03 +0200 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net(194.217.242.40) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014191; Mon, 28 Sep 98 09:28:39 +0200 Received: from [158.152.96.167] (helo=defaid.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNXjX-0005le-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:28:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (melanie@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by defaid.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA04636; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:20:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:20:36 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Rhianna Lewis To: Matthew Wilcox cc: Arm Linux mailing list Subject: Re: fvwm In-Reply-To: <19980927192200.O345@genedata.com> Message-ID: Organization: Trans-world BBS [+44 117 904 0901] X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Host: Melanie's Linux Box - Mournblade X-MandM-To: ALL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Content-Length: 1029 Lines: 23 On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Sun, Sep 27, 1998 at 12:31:18AM +0100, Melanie Rhianna Lewis wrote: > > This is the fault of RedHat who move files around and stuff and so the man > > pages never tally with the actual situation. This is why I now use > > SlackWare on my intel box. > > Ahem. No distribution wars here, please! Also bear in mind that the > RedHat-based distribution that Russell has made is rather out-of-date > with respect to new RedHat distributions. Have patience, there's not > much longer to wait now. Sorry, it was not my intention to start one. Incidentally, my actually set up is base Slackware with bits of the Suse install. Melanie -- ===================================================================== Melanie Rhianna Lewis melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk "An it hurt none, do what thou will" http://www.defaid.demon.co.uk TLBB#2 TGMCC#1 - MZ125, X7 (Under re-construction) ===================================================================== From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 01:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09304 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:02:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA13403 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:02:30 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013401; Mon, 28 Sep 98 01:02:08 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47888 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10786-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:02:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154318-4055>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:37:19 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:24672 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154313-4055>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:37:04 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13398 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:01:22 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA09287 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:01:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 03:01:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980928030140.R345@genedata.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 03:01:40 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: MARBLE 0.3.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Lines: 23 MARBLE is Matthew's ARmlinux Boot Loader Extraordinaire. It is a more user friendly RISC OS front end to Russell's bootloader. This is the announcement of version 0.3.1, which is mostly bug fixes over 0.2. However, some of these bug fixes increase the functionality ;-) Notable changes in this version: * Name change to MARBLE * Supports drag-and-drop of kernels & initrds. * Interactive help * May now specify TFTP by name as well as address Any feedback welcomed. You can fetch it from http://users.ch.genedata.com/~mrw/armlinux/ -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 11:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25055 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:29:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA14590 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:29:03 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014588; Mon, 28 Sep 98 11:28:47 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42512 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6416-6010>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:24:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154244-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:49:17 -0400 Received: from venus.pasport.press.net ([144.178.200.93]:2378 "EHLO venus.slk.press.net" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154443-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:48:32 -0400 Received: by venus.slk.press.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:20:30 +0100 Message-ID: From: Catharine Barnes To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: RE: installation problems Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:20:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1810 Lines: 50
> Catharine Barnes writes: > > My ARMLinux directory that contains the RPMs and other files is on > my > > first HD, and I have no trouble mounting this as hda. > > However, although the system information lists my second HD as 'hdc: > > [ICS]' I am unable to mount it. I understand from the armlinux site > that > > an ICS interface driver is required in order to do this. Can anyone > tell > > me where I can get this from and what I need to do with it. > > Does the kernel display anything after the > > hdc: [ICS] > > on that line? Also, if it's got this far, then the kernel has the ICS > driver in it (I'm using an ICS card at the moment, but it's set up > without an ICS partition table on it). Since I don't have the ICS > partitioning program, I can't try this out myself directly. [Catharine] The relevant bits of the system information is as follows: icside: detected ARCIN V5 in slot 3 hdc: ST51270A, 1223MB w/128kB, Cache, CH5=2485/16/63 partition check: hda: [ADFS] hda1 hdc: [ICS] hdc1 If the kernel has managed to find my HD OK, can anyone offer advice on how I can mount it. Cheers, Catharine > _____ > |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- > | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- > | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | > | +-+-+ --- -+- > / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ > / | | | --- | > +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to > majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 11:42:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25368 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:42:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA14657 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:42:03 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014655; Mon, 28 Sep 98 11:41:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:42291 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6910-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:39:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154431-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:10:24 -0400 Received: from venus.pasport.press.net ([144.178.200.93]:2892 "EHLO venus.slk.press.net" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154458-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:07:41 -0400 Received: by venus.slk.press.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: Catharine Barnes To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: linux partitions Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:40:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1340 Lines: 34 I am having problems setting up a linux swap partition. I am using a RISC PC 600 (but with an ARM710), and the HD I want to install linux on is on a ICS expansion card. I was originally using !PartMan 1.03 (May 4 1997). The problem with this is that it will only allow me to define the type of a partition as 'linux' and not 'linux swap' or 'linux native'. If I define my 2 linux partitions as type 'linux', the Red Hat installer sees them both as 'linux native'. I then decided to use a newer version of !PartMan (1.11). However, this sees the whole drive as free, with no partitions. (Oddly, the FAQ says that this was a problem with version 1.03.) My last attempt was to use fdisk in the Red Hat installation to either set up a linux swap partition, or redefine the type of one of my 'linux native' partitions to 'linux native'. Although this appears to work at first, the 'w' option to write this to disc does not work (I get an error message saying that it can't write to disc yet). Can anyone tell me how I can set up one of my partitions to be 'linux swap'. Cheers, Catharine ------------------------------------------------- Catharine Barnes mailto:catharine_barnes@pa.press.net Tel: 0113 220 4973 ------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 17:01:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24139 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA15576 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:01:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015570; Mon, 28 Sep 98 17:00:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24421 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7093-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:59:29 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154092-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:15:29 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:40682 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153926-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:00:39 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20368; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA33322; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:41 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Jim Pick Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... In-Reply-To: <87d88j97je.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1550 Lines: 41 On 25 Sep 1998, Jim Pick wrote: > > Philip Blundell writes: > > > The Debian people are working on an ELF-based distribution. It > > should work on Acorn machines without too much trouble. I don't > > know what the current status is though. > > I don't see why it wouldn't work. I don't know of anybody that has > tried in on a non-NetWinder machine (if you supply your own kernel - > we don't have one yet). I'd like to see it running on an Acorn box. > > (any volunteers?) > > http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ > > We have a chroot image - it should be possible to pop it into a > directory on a Linux/ARM machine (with ELF executable support) to see > if it will run. > > The project has stalled a bit in the last few weeks as everybody waits > for me to put out a new glibc. Hopefully things will start moving > again soon. > > Cheers, Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on my system. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 18:02:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02823 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15800 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:02:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015796; Mon, 28 Sep 98 18:02:16 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20561 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10398-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:00:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154187-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:19:59 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:18595 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154500-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:12:32 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zNfA5-0001sC-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:24:29 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zNfA4-0000cW-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:24:28 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stefan Hanske cc: Jim Pick , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:41 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:24:27 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 534 Lines: 13 >Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since >I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on my >system. Once everything is working on StrongARM it will be a no-brainer operation to recompile everything with the right CFLAGS for ARM710. In fact the NetWinder packages won't even work on a StrongARM RiscPC because of the halfword problem. They should be OK out of the box on an EBSA or similar. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 18:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05202 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:41:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA15921 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:41:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015919; Mon, 28 Sep 98 18:41:01 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:36122 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7123-6010>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:38:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154298-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:40:11 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:2556 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154494-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:37:25 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zNfqc-0004ux-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:08:26 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Three questions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:41 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:08:24 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1207 Lines: 32 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:41, Stefan Hanske wrote: > > On 25 Sep 1998, Jim Pick wrote: > > > Philip Blundell writes: > > > > > The Debian people are working on an ELF-based distribution. It > > > should work on Acorn machines without too much trouble. I don't > > > know what the current status is though. > > > > I don't see why it wouldn't work. I don't know of anybody that has > > tried in on a non-NetWinder machine (if you supply your own kernel - > > we don't have one yet). I'd like to see it running on an Acorn box. > > Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on > my system. This seems an important point. Can't the Red Hat and Debian people be persuaded to precompile generic binaries suitable for ARM6/7 processors as well as version 4 architecture CPUs like the StrongARM? What is so wonderful about the halfword instructions that makes them so desirable? Would there really be much of a performance hit in refraining from using them for the sake of wider compatability? -- Richard. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 19:25:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA05932 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA16036 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:25:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016034; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:24:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:8993 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6806-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:22:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154526-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:35:31 -0400 Received: from ns1.waw.com ([194.51.88.250]:13407 "EHLO thor.waw.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154226-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:14:20 -0400 Received: from vincent by thor.waw.com with local-smtp (Exim 2.01 #3) id 0zNgQV-0004oQ-00 (Debian); Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:45:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:45:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Vincent Renardias To: Richard Bradbury cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Three questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1412 Lines: 31 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Richard Bradbury wrote: > > > I don't see why it wouldn't work. I don't know of anybody that has > > > tried in on a non-NetWinder machine (if you supply your own kernel - > > > we don't have one yet). I'd like to see it running on an Acorn box. > > > > Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > > I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on > > my system. > > This seems an important point. Can't the Red Hat and Debian people be > persuaded to precompile generic binaries suitable for ARM6/7 processors > as well as version 4 architecture CPUs like the StrongARM? Speaking as a Debian developer and Acorn RPC600 owner: I can't talk for RedHat, but the Debian x86 distribution is compiled for i386, and I certainly hope the ARM version will run on ARM6/7 processors too. Cordialement, -- - Vincent RENARDIAS vincent@{{waw,pipo}.com,{debian,openhardware}.org} - - Debian/GNU Linux: Open Hardware: WAW: - - http://www.fr.debian.org http://www.openhardware.org http://www.waw.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -"Depuis que ma voiture et mon ordinateur tournent au GPL, les 2 marchent - - beaucoup mieux et pour moins cher... (Linux: Le seul OS non-polluant!)" - unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 20:26:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06825 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:26:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA16209 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:26:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016207; Mon, 28 Sep 98 20:25:49 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:3088 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10560-22401> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:21:52 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154519-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:36:48 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:49776 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154514-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:29:38 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.54]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA8870 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:01:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:55:01 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... Message-ID: <902dc08c48%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id UAA06825 Status: RO Content-Length: 862 Lines: 25 »Philip Blundell« schrieb in Artikel folgendes: > >Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > >I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on my > >system. > > Once everything is working on StrongARM it will be a no-brainer operation > to recompile everything with the right CFLAGS for ARM710. Hopefully. I wouldn't say »no-brainer operation« though. It really has to be simple and easy to get Linux and programs to work. Because for many people (the number increases rapidly) there's no reason to dive into Linux' internas when they really just want to work on it in order to do their every-day- tasks. Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 19:51:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06340 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA16110 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:51:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016107; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:50:58 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57956 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10667-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:47:43 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154497-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:09:24 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:10224 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154548-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:06:28 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id KAA18057; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:38:01 -0700 To: Philip Blundell Cc: Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 10:37:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: Philip Blundell's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:24:27 +0100" Message-ID: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > >Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > >I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on my > >system. > > Once everything is working on StrongARM it will be a no-brainer operation to > recompile everything with the right CFLAGS for ARM710. In fact the NetWinder > packages won't even work on a StrongARM RiscPC because of the halfword > problem. They should be OK out of the box on an EBSA or similar. I'm wondering what we should do for the Debian port to support more machines than just the NetWinder. Right now, we've built gcc with the --with-cpu=strongarm option, and we are compiling all the packages with the normal CFLAGS options. We're using the Corel patched gcc right now, but plan on moving to Philip's egcs. So I suppose we are building binaries that use the halfword instructions. Is that correct? In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a significant performance difference. As Philip says, it would be a no-brainer to create additional debian-arm distributions which have been compiled to use different instruction sets, since they can share the same source (actually, all Debian architectures use the same source). ie. We could have an "arm-riscpc" distribution, and maybe even an "arm-710" (??) distribution for older machines. Of course, this is only going to happen if there is enough interest. This isn't without precedence - there is a sparc and a sparc64 distribution, and there has been much talk about how to build a Pentium-optimized distribution, where just some packages are optimized, and the rest would be symlinked to the i386 distribution. If anybody wants me to, I could build a chroot image and a set of packages that have been compiled to use a different instruction set and put them on my FTP site. Is anybody interested in such a thing? There isn't much point in me doing it if nobody is going to try it, since I don't have the hardware to test it on. I suppose I can lookup what flags to use from the source for the Linux/ARM distribution. Or maybe somebody could tell me? Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 21:43:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08054 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:43:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16391 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:43:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016388; Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:42:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45131 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6675-6010>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:39:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154532-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:39:12 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2106 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154546-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:16:13 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNhfy-0006P1-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:05:34 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Pick cc: Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 10:37:58 PDT." <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:05:33 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1382 Lines: 32 >So I suppose we are building binaries that use the halfword >instructions. Is that correct? Yes. If you use -march=armv4 (or -mcpu=strongarm110 which implies it) then you will be using the halfword instructions. >In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if >we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all >apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for >their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a >significant performance difference. The halfword instructions probably do make a measurable difference. More to the point the v4 architecture introduces instructions like UMULL which can make even more of a difference and you can't (currently at least) selectively enable these. I don't think there's much to be gained from compiling the standard Debian packages with backwards-compatibility options. The number of ARM machines that can't run v4 binaries is fairly small and likely to stay that way. If someone wanted to produce a CD with appropriate binaries for older machines there would be nothing to stop them. >I suppose I can lookup what flags to use from the source for the >Linux/ARM distribution. Or maybe somebody could tell me? -mcpu=arm6 will work on all v3 and later machines. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 20:58:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA07313 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:58:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA16274 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:58:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016272; Mon, 28 Sep 98 20:57:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37915 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10857-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:54:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154539-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:13:37 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:31403 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154128-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16213; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:28:15 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA06830; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:28:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980928202814.E345@genedata.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:28:14 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Jim Pick , Philip Blundell Cc: Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com>; from Jim Pick on Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 10:37:58AM -0700 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 3093 Lines: 70 On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 10:37:58AM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > > Philip Blundell writes: > > > >Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > > >I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on my > > >system. > > > > Once everything is working on StrongARM it will be a no-brainer operation to > > recompile everything with the right CFLAGS for ARM710. In fact the NetWinder > > packages won't even work on a StrongARM RiscPC because of the halfword > > problem. They should be OK out of the box on an EBSA or similar. > > I'm wondering what we should do for the Debian port to support more > machines than just the NetWinder. > > Right now, we've built gcc with the --with-cpu=strongarm option, and > we are compiling all the packages with the normal CFLAGS options. > We're using the Corel patched gcc right now, but plan on moving to > Philip's egcs. > > So I suppose we are building binaries that use the halfword > instructions. Is that correct? Yes. You can always objdump --disassemble |grep LDRH to check ;-) > In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if > we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all > apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for > their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a > significant performance difference. I don't think there's too much of a performance issue. One or two additional instructions per short loaded, two extra ones per short stored. > As Philip says, it would be a no-brainer to create additional > debian-arm distributions which have been compiled to use different > instruction sets, since they can share the same source (actually, all > Debian architectures use the same source). ie. We could have an > "arm-riscpc" distribution, and maybe even an "arm-710" (??) > distribution for older machines. Of course, this is only going to > happen if there is enough interest. you'd almost certainly want to use arm6 as the baseline - arm710 doesn't have anything that needs changing in userland. > If anybody wants me to, I could build a chroot image and a set of > packages that have been compiled to use a different instruction set > and put them on my FTP site. > > Is anybody interested in such a thing? There isn't much point in me > doing it if nobody is going to try it, since I don't have the hardware > to test it on. Yes, I'm willing to test.. > I suppose I can lookup what flags to use from the source for the > Linux/ARM distribution. Or maybe somebody could tell me? It was -m6 for gcc 2.7, but egcs & gcc 2.8 moved to -march=3. Or something similar, my GCC docs are out of date right now and I can't test easily. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 21:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08124 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16420 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:47:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16416; Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:47:25 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45131 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6986-6010>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:45:09 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154055-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:49:46 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2139 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <153887-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:25:59 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNiI2-0006US-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:44:54 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eduard Pfarr cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:55:01 +0200." <902dc08c48%root@swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:44:53 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Lines: 21 >Hopefully. > >I wouldn't say =BBno-brainer operation=AB though. It really has to be >simple >and easy to get Linux and programs to work. Because for many people (the >number increases rapidly) there's no reason to dive into Linux' internas >when they really just want to work on it in order to do their every-day- >tasks. I wasn't suggesting that *users* should do this. (If they need to recompile, they can't even boot enough of a system to run the compiler!) But since ARM7 needs no source-level changes compared to StrongARM it's just a question of someone with access to all the package sources going through and recompiling the .deb files for the right CPU. I imagine it would be an entirely automatic process and someone with only a modest amount of knowledge could do it. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 21:25:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07753 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16353 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:25:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016351; Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:24:35 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45131 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5594-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:24:20 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154522-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:47:39 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2129 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154249-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:25:12 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNiKY-0006Up-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:47:30 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Pick cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 11:48:31 PDT." <871zownke8.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:47:30 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 679 Lines: 19 >That makes it sound like it would be best to have two distributions. >One optimized for the new StrongARM-based machines that can handle the >halfword instructions (ie. NetWinder, EBSA). And a >"lowest-common-denominator" distribution that uses the ARMv3 >instruction set (for the ARM710, and RiscPC). I agree. And if somebody was sufficiently sick they could even have a go at building a 26-bit version for the ARM3. :-) >make a chroot image so people can play with it. How does "armv3" >sound for a distribution name (vs. "arm", which we are using for the >NetWinder stuff)? Sounds fine. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 21:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA08055 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:43:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16392 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:43:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa16388; Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:42:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:45131 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7110-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:42:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154493-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:39:55 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:14361 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154187-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:16:39 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id LAA30320; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:48:36 -0700 To: Philip Blundell Cc: Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:48:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: Philip Blundell's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:05:33 +0100" Message-ID: <871zownke8.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > >In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if > >we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all > >apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for > >their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a > >significant performance difference. > The halfword instructions probably do make a measurable difference. > More to the point the v4 architecture introduces instructions like > UMULL which can make even more of a difference and you can't > (currently at least) selectively enable these. > > I don't think there's much to be gained from compiling the standard Debian > packages with backwards-compatibility options. The number of ARM machines > that can't run v4 binaries is fairly small and likely to stay that way. If > someone wanted to produce a CD with appropriate binaries for older machines > there would be nothing to stop them. That makes it sound like it would be best to have two distributions. One optimized for the new StrongARM-based machines that can handle the halfword instructions (ie. NetWinder, EBSA). And a "lowest-common-denominator" distribution that uses the ARMv3 instruction set (for the ARM710, and RiscPC). > >I suppose I can lookup what flags to use from the source for the > >Linux/ARM distribution. Or maybe somebody could tell me? > > -mcpu=arm6 will work on all v3 and later machines. Thanks. That sounds simple enough to do. When I get some time over the next few days, I'll try recompiling the base system for ARMv3, and make a chroot image so people can play with it. How does "armv3" sound for a distribution name (vs. "arm", which we are using for the NetWinder stuff)? Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From jim@jimpick.com Mon Sep 28 21:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07441 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:02:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16309 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:02:35 +0200 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com(204.209.212.123) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016307; Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:02:29 +0200 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id MAA00280; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:02:17 -0700 Sender: jim@jimpick.com To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <19980928202814.E345@genedata.com> X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 12:02:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: Matthew Wilcox's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:28:14 +0200" Message-ID: <87yar4m56y.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > > So I suppose we are building binaries that use the halfword > > instructions. Is that correct? > > Yes. You can always objdump --disassemble |grep LDRH to check ;-) Confirmed. > > In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if > > we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all > > apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for > > their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a > > significant performance difference. > > I don't think there's too much of a performance issue. One or two > additional instructions per short loaded, two extra ones per short > stored. Hmm. Philip thought there was a significant difference. Maybe the best thing for me to do is to try compiling each, and do some benchmarking. Right now, I'm inclined to believe that the performance differential between the new ARM stuff and the old (obsolete?) ARM stuff is large enough to merit two binary distributions. > > As Philip says, it would be a no-brainer to create additional > > debian-arm distributions which have been compiled to use different > > instruction sets, since they can share the same source (actually, all > > Debian architectures use the same source). ie. We could have an > > "arm-riscpc" distribution, and maybe even an "arm-710" (??) > > distribution for older machines. Of course, this is only going to > > happen if there is enough interest. > > you'd almost certainly want to use arm6 as the baseline - arm710 doesn't > have anything that needs changing in userland. Ok. > > If anybody wants me to, I could build a chroot image and a set of > > packages that have been compiled to use a different instruction set > > and put them on my FTP site. > > > > Is anybody interested in such a thing? There isn't much point in me > > doing it if nobody is going to try it, since I don't have the hardware > > to test it on. > > Yes, I'm willing to test.. Great! I'll try to have something ready by the end of the week. I want to get glibc 2.0.96 working first (I'm having some problems with that). Cheers, - Jim From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 23:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09659 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA16591 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:21:35 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016589; Mon, 28 Sep 98 23:21:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:54874 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6995-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:19:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154585-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:18:54 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:50909 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154000-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:53:08 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.54]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA23914 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:26:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:20:26 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <3afcd28c48%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id XAA09659 Status: RO Content-Length: 646 Lines: 14 »Philip Blundell« schrieb in Artikel folgendes: > >That makes it sound like it would be best to have two distributions. > >One optimized for the new StrongARM-based machines that can handle the > >halfword instructions (ie. NetWinder, EBSA). And a > >"lowest-common-denominator" distribution that uses the ARMv3 > >instruction set (for the ARM710, and RiscPC). > > I agree. I can't agree. Since StrongARMed RiscPC's are the only Acorn boxes where Linux runs attractively on, I think a StrongARM optimized version without halfword instructions (because of the RiscPC's bus) is quite neccessary From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 00:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11291 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA16741 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:21:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016739; Tue, 29 Sep 98 00:20:48 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:20288 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6180-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:19:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153852-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:47:43 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:51103 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154401-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:30:13 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.54]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA27317 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:03:28 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:02:34 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <7cd7d68c48%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id AAA11291 Status: RO Content-Length: 698 Lines: 15 »Philip Blundell« schrieb in Artikel folgendes: [..] > I don't think there's much to be gained from compiling the standard > Debian packages with backwards-compatibility options. The number of > ARM machines that can't run v4 binaries is fairly small and likely to > stay that way. Some ten thousands from Acorn. Because Acorn dropped its own OS I bet that loads of people move to (Acorn-) ARM-Linux in the very near future. I'd be very interested in exact numbers: How many of these Acorns have got a StrongARM? Personally speaking I hardly know any Acorn RiscPC user who hasn't upgraded to StrongARM, so I guess: Quite many StrongARMed Acorns From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 00:44:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11725 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA16781 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:44:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016779; Tue, 29 Sep 98 00:43:52 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:22812 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6841-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:41:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154318-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:51:12 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:2717 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154593-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:24:09 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id OAA24486; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:57:52 -0700 To: Scott Bambrough Cc: Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <361094EB.87D3FE6E@corelcomputer.com> X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 14:57:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: Scott Bambrough's message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:06:03 -0400" Message-ID: <87sohbnbms.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > Yes. They are automatically enabled with -mcpu=strongarm. The NetWinder > requires -march=armv4 to ensure some cpu cache issues are handled correctly, > however, the cpu could be left as default. > > > In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if > > we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all > > apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for > > their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a > > significant performance difference. > > Not in my experience. The halfword and signed byte instructions are only > emitted with -O2. The basic code generator does not emit them, only the > optimizing pass.They are used to speed up access to shorts, and signed > characters if I remember correctly. They do speed things up, it takes > one two cpu cycles to access shorts without them and three to access > signed bytes if I recall correctly. > > I chose to configure gcc with -with-cpu=strongarm to generate code that > would be most efficient on the NetWinder. I think I may be confused about what constitutes a "RiscPC". I thought they all had StrongARM CPUs, but I think I was wrong. Acorn's web site isn't much help. I see there is the Acorn RiscPC 600 series, Acorn RiscPC 700 series, and then the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC. I am guessing that the 600 and 700 series are using chips that only support the armv3 instruction set? If that's the case, then those are RiscPCs, but they can't handle halfword instructions. But the StrongARM RiscPC can handle the halfword instructions, right? I was getting confused when people said that RiscPCs couldn't handle the halfword instructions, because I initially thought that all RiscPC models were using the StrongARM. If that's the case, then we have a pretty clean split between armv3 machines, and StrongARM machines (NetWinder, EBSA, and StrongARM RiscPC). Then the current Debian "arm" distribution should be work on any StrongARM based machine, including the StrongARM RiscPC. The RiscPC 600, 700 and some older models will need to use the "armv3" distribution. Or do I still have it wrong? Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 01:18:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12203 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:18:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16860 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:18:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016856; Tue, 29 Sep 98 01:18:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:37705 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7012-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:15:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154101-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:54:12 -0400 Received: from heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.32.11]:4846 "HELO heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154606-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:32:40 -0400 Received: from cowslip.cl.cam.ac.uk (cl.cam.ac.uk) [128.232.3.212] (rjb45) by heaton.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zNlRN-0007BS-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:06:45 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2+CL 2/24/98 To: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 11:48:31 PDT." <871zownke8.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:06:43 +0100 From: Richard Bradbury Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1165 Lines: 29 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:48:31, Jim Pick wrote: > > Thanks. That sounds simple enough to do. When I get some time over > the next few days, I'll try recompiling the base system for ARMv3, and > make a chroot image so people can play with it. How does "armv3" > sound for a distribution name (vs. "arm", which we are using for the > NetWinder stuff)? That sounds great. Can't wait to try it out on my "obsolete" ARM610 and ARM710 RiscPCs :-) Does the above indicate the prospect of an offical ARM v3 distribution of Debian at some point in the future? From recent postings to this list, there seems to be pent up demand for a full ELF Linux distribution suitable for installing on the RiscPC with 610/710/SA110. As a separate issue, what is going to happen when ARM Linux starts to make a mark on the radar screens of big boys like Oracle, Corel, Netscape or even Microsoft? My guess is that it's going to be a "sorry, ARM v4 only, folks" story here. Even those lucky enough to have a StrongARM RiscPC will be frozen out because of the halfword instruction problem. -- Richard. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 03:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13645 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:02:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA17104 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:02:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017093; Tue, 29 Sep 98 03:02:00 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31841 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6222-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154566-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:29:56 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2183 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154493-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:04:47 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNlnC-0006bw-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:29:18 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Pick cc: Scott Bambrough , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 14:57:47 PDT." <87sohbnbms.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:29:17 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 551 Lines: 16 >I see there is the Acorn RiscPC 600 series, Acorn RiscPC 700 series, >and then the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC. I am guessing that the 600 and They are all the same basic machine. You can plug in a CPU card with either a 610, a 710 or an SA110 on. >handle halfword instructions. But the StrongARM RiscPC can handle the >halfword instructions, right? No. The RiscPC glue logic can't handle 16-bit transfers at all. It was originally designed with the ARM6 in mind. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From philb@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 00:54:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11901 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:54:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA16812 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:54:36 +0200 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk(158.152.220.239) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016810; Tue, 29 Sep 98 00:54:25 +0200 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNm2H-0006fh-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:44:53 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Pick cc: Matthew Wilcox , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 12:02:13 PDT." <87yar4m56y.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:44:52 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 9 >Hmm. Philip thought there was a significant difference. Maybe the I must admit that when I originally wrote that I was still in kernel mode and thinking of code that has -mshort-load-bytes enabled. When the load-rotate trick can be used the cost is somewhat lower -- though, I suspect, still not negligible. This doesn't apply to stores, obviously. p. From philb@gnu.org Tue Sep 29 01:11:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12141 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16843 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:11:36 +0200 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk(158.152.220.239) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016841; Tue, 29 Sep 98 01:11:14 +0200 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNmIU-0006hz-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:01:38 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:07:07 +0200." <19980929010707.F345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:01:37 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 228 Lines: 9 >As a result, half-word (and possibly load signed byte?) instructions >do not work. I imagine signed byte is OK; it probably consists of just a ldrb followed by a sign-extend and the latter is internal to the processor. p. From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 11:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24355 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18062 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018060; Tue, 29 Sep 98 11:15:36 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:3945 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10439-5487>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:13:58 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154400-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:03:07 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:54347 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154623-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:05:55 -0400 Received: from [158.152.96.167] (helo=defaid.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNtYF-0005u0-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:46:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (melanie@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by defaid.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01154; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:07:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:07:42 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Rhianna Lewis To: Eduard Pfarr cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: <7cd7d68c48%root@swol.de> Message-ID: Organization: Trans-world BBS [+44 117 904 0901] X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Host: Melanie's Linux Box - Mournblade X-MandM-To: ALL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1109 Lines: 25 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > I'd be very interested in exact numbers: How many of these Acorns have got > a StrongARM? Personally speaking I hardly know any Acorn RiscPC user who > hasn't upgraded to StrongARM, so I guess: Quite many StrongARMed Acorns. Well mine hasn't been upgraded and is unlikely too as I have other priorities (motor bikes!). Its still a basic RPC600 except with a SCSI card, 32Mb ram and 2Mb VRAM. Its perfectly usable and runs about the same speed as my girlfriend's 486DX66 running Linux. Its also a perfect compliment to my P166 Linux box. I would quite like a Debian/ELF release thanks. If I want strong arm I'll get a netwinder. Melanie -- ===================================================================== Melanie Rhianna Lewis melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk "An it hurt none, do what thou will" http://www.defaid.demon.co.uk TLBB#2 TGMCC#1 - MZ125, X7 (Under re-construction) ===================================================================== unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 04:02:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA14384 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:02:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17207 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:02:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017205; Tue, 29 Sep 98 04:01:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19984 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10233-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:59:46 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154636-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:6562 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154648-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:38:01 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id QAA31812; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:12:36 -0700 To: Philip Blundell Cc: Scott Bambrough , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:12:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: Philip Blundell's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:29:17 +0100" Message-ID: <87af3jn86c.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > >I see there is the Acorn RiscPC 600 series, Acorn RiscPC 700 series, > >and then the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC. I am guessing that the 600 and > They are all the same basic machine. You can plug in a CPU card > with either a 610, a 710 or an SA110 on. Ok. I didn't know that. Please excuse my ignorance - I couldn't find much good info on the web. Maybe I should have read more of the mailing list archives. > >handle halfword instructions. But the StrongARM RiscPC can handle the > >halfword instructions, right? > > No. The RiscPC glue logic can't handle 16-bit transfers at all. It was > originally designed with the ARM6 in mind. Hmm. Since it doesn't sound like there is going to be a big penalty for not using the halfword instructions, I'd like to not use them so that the StrongARM RiscPC users could use the Debian "arm" distribution. People with armv3 processors (ie. RiscPC 600, 700) could use the "armv3" distribution. How do I do that? If I configure gcc using --with-cpu=strongarm, I'm going to get the halfword instructions. Is there another option I can use? ie. --with-cpu=armv4? Or is this going to require patching gcc? Or perhaps the StrongARM RiscPC is so rare, it's not worth decreasing performance for the other StrongARM machines (like the NetWinder)? The StrongARM RiscPC people would still be able to use the "armv3" distribution. What proportion of Linux/ARM users have the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC? Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 02:57:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA13520 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:57:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA17065 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:57:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017063; Tue, 29 Sep 98 02:57:06 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:31841 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7043-5487>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:54:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154662-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:02:27 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2308 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154679-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zNmUF-0006jz-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:13:47 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Pick cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "28 Sep 1998 16:12:27 PDT." <87af3jn86c.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:13:46 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1063 Lines: 23 >How do I do that? If I configure gcc using --with-cpu=strongarm, I'm >going to get the halfword instructions. Is there another option I can >use? ie. --with-cpu=armv4? Or is this going to require patching gcc? Basically you can't at the moment. It wouldn't be any big deal to add an option to gcc to inhibit halfword instructions but allow all other ARMv4 enhancements, but so far I haven't done it because there's been no pressing need and it seemed like a needless complication. Feel free to make a patch to egcs to implement this; it might make life slightly easier for the Acorn people. >Or perhaps the StrongARM RiscPC is so rare, it's not worth decreasing >performance for the other StrongARM machines (like the NetWinder)? To be honest I think this is the case. The number of Acorn machines running Linux is really pretty small. Since most future ARM machines are likely to support halfwords and the like it seems sensible to go with that as the default. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From jim@jimpick.com Tue Sep 29 01:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12256 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:23:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA16867 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:23:06 +0200 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com(204.209.212.123) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016865; Tue, 29 Sep 98 01:22:33 +0200 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id QAA00150; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:22:27 -0700 Sender: jim@jimpick.com To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Scott Bambrough , Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <361094EB.87D3FE6E@corelcomputer.com> <87sohbnbms.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <19980929010707.F345@genedata.com> X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:22:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: Matthew Wilcox's message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:07:07 +0200" Message-ID: <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > Sorry, it's not nearly that simple. Can we have a debian-arm and a > debian-acorn distribution, otherwise people will be confused. People > would have been more confused had Phoebe ever made it into production. > (This would be an Acorn machine which supported the StrongARM properly) We could call the "armv3" distribution an "arm-acorn" distribution. That might make sense, especially if we decide to use halfword instructions for the "arm" version, so it wouldn't run on any of the Acorn machines. Of course, that might not be a good name, because Acorn could release something in the future based on the StrongARM. Also, there might be non-Acorn machines that need the armv3 stuff. Cheers, - Jim From Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com Tue Sep 29 01:34:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12409; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for scottb@corelcomputer.com; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980929013445.G345@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Jim Pick , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Scott Bambrough , Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <361094EB.87D3FE6E@corelcomputer.com> <87sohbnbms.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <19980929010707.F345@genedata.com> <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com>; from Jim Pick on Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 04:22:24PM -0700 Status: RO Content-Length: 2039 Lines: 40 On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 04:22:24PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > > Matthew Wilcox writes: > > > Sorry, it's not nearly that simple. Can we have a debian-arm and a > > debian-acorn distribution, otherwise people will be confused. People > > would have been more confused had Phoebe ever made it into production. > > (This would be an Acorn machine which supported the StrongARM properly) > > We could call the "armv3" distribution an "arm-acorn" distribution. > That might make sense, especially if we decide to use halfword > instructions for the "arm" version, so it wouldn't run on any of the > Acorn machines. That's what I was thinking. Is there more confusion saying `The armv3 distribution is for all ARM6 & ARM7 machines, plus the Acorn RiscPC with StrongARM', or saying `The acorn distribution is for all Acorn machines, plus anything less than a StrongARM'? Thinking about it, I guess I'm wrong. The easiest thing to do is to cope with people complaining that the `arm' distribution doesn't work on their RiscPC, rather than cope with people saying `but my machine isn't an acorn' Damn, I hate hardware ;-) > Of course, that might not be a good name, because Acorn could release > something in the future based on the StrongARM. Also, there might be > non-Acorn machines that need the armv3 stuff. Hadn't you heard? Acorn have dumped their Workstation division and laid off 75 employees :-( They announced their future lies in Set Top Boxes and Digital TV, and I don't see much scope for running a Debian distribution on those. You may be right about other companies producing ARMv3 designs - the Psion 5 _may_ be, but on the other hand it might be based on an ARM7TDMI which is an ARMv4 architecture. I honestly can't remember. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 03:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14285 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:55:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA17185 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:55:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017183; Tue, 29 Sep 98 03:54:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:19984 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10245-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:53:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154597-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:56:31 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:4210 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154596-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:59:55 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16895; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:46 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12409; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for scottb@corelcomputer.com; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980929013445.G345@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:45 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Jim Pick , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Scott Bambrough , Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <361094EB.87D3FE6E@corelcomputer.com> <87sohbnbms.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> <19980929010707.F345@genedata.com> <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com>; from Jim Pick on Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 04:22:24PM -0700 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 2114 Lines: 41 On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 04:22:24PM -0700, Jim Pick wrote: > > Matthew Wilcox writes: > > > Sorry, it's not nearly that simple. Can we have a debian-arm and a > > debian-acorn distribution, otherwise people will be confused. People > > would have been more confused had Phoebe ever made it into production. > > (This would be an Acorn machine which supported the StrongARM properly) > > We could call the "armv3" distribution an "arm-acorn" distribution. > That might make sense, especially if we decide to use halfword > instructions for the "arm" version, so it wouldn't run on any of the > Acorn machines. That's what I was thinking. Is there more confusion saying `The armv3 distribution is for all ARM6 & ARM7 machines, plus the Acorn RiscPC with StrongARM', or saying `The acorn distribution is for all Acorn machines, plus anything less than a StrongARM'? Thinking about it, I guess I'm wrong. The easiest thing to do is to cope with people complaining that the `arm' distribution doesn't work on their RiscPC, rather than cope with people saying `but my machine isn't an acorn' Damn, I hate hardware ;-) > Of course, that might not be a good name, because Acorn could release > something in the future based on the StrongARM. Also, there might be > non-Acorn machines that need the armv3 stuff. Hadn't you heard? Acorn have dumped their Workstation division and laid off 75 employees :-( They announced their future lies in Set Top Boxes and Digital TV, and I don't see much scope for running a Debian distribution on those. You may be right about other companies producing ARMv3 designs - the Psion 5 _may_ be, but on the other hand it might be based on an ARM7TDMI which is an ARMv4 architecture. I honestly can't remember. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 04:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA14588 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:19:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17232 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:19:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017230; Tue, 29 Sep 98 04:18:58 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:15642 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10255-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:18:28 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154685-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:11:07 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:9816 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154692-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:11:23 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id QAA02678; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:46:02 -0700 To: Richard Bradbury Cc: ARM Linux Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:45:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: Richard Bradbury's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:06:43 +0100" Message-ID: <874strn6mj.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:48:31, Jim Pick wrote: > > > > Thanks. That sounds simple enough to do. When I get some time over > > the next few days, I'll try recompiling the base system for ARMv3, and > > make a chroot image so people can play with it. How does "armv3" > > sound for a distribution name (vs. "arm", which we are using for the > > NetWinder stuff)? > > That sounds great. Can't wait to try it out on my "obsolete" ARM610 > and ARM710 RiscPCs :-) > > Does the above indicate the prospect of an offical ARM v3 distribution > of Debian at some point in the future? From recent postings to this > list, there seems to be pent up demand for a full ELF Linux > distribution suitable for installing on the RiscPC with 610/710/SA110. Well, I'll prepare an initial "unofficial" set of packages for "armv3", so people will be able to give it a try. People can try them out by setting up a chroot environment. Myself, I own a NetWinder, so that's what I am going to concentrate on. So I won't do much beyond compiling the base system for armv3 (minus the kernel). If there is any interest, it wouldn't be too much work for people with RiscPCs to compile binaries for an official "armv3" distribution. I'm sure Vincent Renardias (one of the key Debian maintainers, who also has a RiscPC 600) would be interested in this - so we have at least one user. :-) > As a separate issue, what is going to happen when ARM Linux starts to > make a mark on the radar screens of big boys like Oracle, Corel, > Netscape or even Microsoft? My guess is that it's going to be a > "sorry, ARM v4 only, folks" story here. Even those lucky enough to > have a StrongARM RiscPC will be frozen out because of the halfword > instruction problem. That's primarily an issue for binary-only packages (ie. Corel WordPerfect). I suspect that might be true. The StrongARM RiscPC folks might want to petition Corel to compile WordPerfect without halfword instructions. Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 04:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA14867 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:37:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA17261 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:37:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017259; Tue, 29 Sep 98 04:36:38 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63306 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11093-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 05:34:30 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154692-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:12:18 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:11083 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154767-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:42 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id QAA03750; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:03 -0700 To: Philip Blundell Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:55:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: Philip Blundell's message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:13:46 +0100" Message-ID: <871zovn65y.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > >Or perhaps the StrongARM RiscPC is so rare, it's not worth decreasing > >performance for the other StrongARM machines (like the NetWinder)? > > To be honest I think this is the case. The number of Acorn machines running > Linux is really pretty small. Since most future ARM machines are likely to > support halfwords and the like it seems sensible to go with that as the > default. And the StrongARM RiscPC users would still be able to use the "armv3" distribution. I think what I will do is go ahead and build the "armv3" stuff -- which will work on an ARM6 CPU or better. The StrongARM RiscPC users can use that distribution as well for now. If there is truly enough demand, somebody could do an "arm-riscpc-sa" distribution, or modify the gcc in the "arm" distribution so that it doesn't use the halfword instructions. I'll try to get the "armv3" stuff ready by the end of this week (unless I have too much trouble with glibc 2.0.96). Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 19:40:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06160 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:40:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA16077 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:40:04 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016073; Mon, 28 Sep 98 19:39:45 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:57956 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10261-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:36:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154469-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:30:58 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:4399 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154543-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:27:31 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 310 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:00:05 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.84.41]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 353; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <36106D93.AE65A720@corelcomputer.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:18:11 -0400 From: Scott Bambrough Organization: Corel Computer Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Bradbury , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Three questions... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1825 Lines: 42 Richard Bradbury wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:30:41, Stefan Hanske wrote: > > > > On 25 Sep 1998, Jim Pick wrote: > > > > > Philip Blundell writes: > > > > > > > The Debian people are working on an ELF-based distribution. It > > > > should work on Acorn machines without too much trouble. I don't > > > > know what the current status is though. > > > > > > I don't see why it wouldn't work. I don't know of anybody that has > > > tried in on a non-NetWinder machine (if you supply your own kernel - > > > we don't have one yet). I'd like to see it running on an Acorn box. > > > > Most of the things should work - but on a StrongARM RiscPC only. Since > > I've got an ARM710 there'll be no chance using the binary packages on > > my system. > > This seems an important point. Can't the Red Hat and Debian people be > persuaded to precompile generic binaries suitable for ARM6/7 processors > as well as version 4 architecture CPUs like the StrongARM? > > What is so wonderful about the halfword instructions that makes them so > desirable? Would there really be much of a performance hit in > refraining from using them for the sake of wider compatability? > > -- > Richard. > > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu I wouldn't blame the Debian people for the choice of compiling their binaries with halfword instructions. For the most part, they started out with a NetWinder and development tools provided by me and I was the guy who made that choice. I wasn't concerned about wider compatibility, just making the NetWinder do its very best. Too my knowledge, RedHat provides no ARM binaries of any kind. The only sources of RPM's are Russell King's site and netwinder.org. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Mon Sep 28 22:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08874 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA16496 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:30:34 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016492; Mon, 28 Sep 98 22:30:03 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:24092 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6330-22401>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:26:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153956-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:30:51 -0400 Received: from mail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.130]:2063 "EHLO cccpo.corelcomputer.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154510-4055>; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:13:52 -0400 Received: from cccmail.corelcomputer.com ([209.167.41.133]) by cccpo.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 164 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:47:55 -0400 Received: from corelcomputer.com ([10.1.84.41]) by cccmail.corelcomputer.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id 387; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: <361094EB.87D3FE6E@corelcomputer.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:06:03 -0400 From: Scott Bambrough Organization: Corel Computer Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Pick CC: Philip Blundell , Stefan Hanske , linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <87d88gnnns.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1566 Lines: 35 Jim Pick wrote: > > I'm wondering what we should do for the Debian port to support more > machines than just the NetWinder. > > Right now, we've built gcc with the --with-cpu=strongarm option, and > we are compiling all the packages with the normal CFLAGS options. > We're using the Corel patched gcc right now, but plan on moving to > Philip's egcs. > > So I suppose we are building binaries that use the halfword > instructions. Is that correct? Yes. They are automatically enabled with -mcpu=strongarm. The NetWinder requires -march=armv4 to ensure some cpu cache issues are handled correctly, however, the cpu could be left as default. > In the interests of portability, what would be the performance cost if > we somehow compiled things without the halfword instructions? Do all > apps benefit, or just some specific ones? Corel is using them for > their RPM-based distribution, so I have assumed that there is a > significant performance difference. Not in my experience. The halfword and signed byte instructions are only emitted with -O2. The basic code generator does not emit them, only the optimizing pass.They are used to speed up access to shorts, and signed characters if I remember correctly. They do speed things up, it takes one two cpu cycles to access shorts without them and three to access signed bytes if I recall correctly. I chose to configure gcc with -with-cpu=strongarm to generate code that would be most efficient on the NetWinder. Scott unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From 9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk Tue Sep 29 10:38:12 1998 Return-Path: <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA23702 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA17970 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:38:07 +0200 Received: from hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk(130.209.16.101) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma017968; Tue, 29 Sep 98 10:37:51 +0200 Received: from lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.16.18]) by jess.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.01 #1) id 0zNvHz-0000zX-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:43 +0100 Received: from localhost (9606585c@localhost) by lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk (8.8.4/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09471; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:37:38 +0100 (BST) From: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: 9606585c@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk To: Matthew Wilcox cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: <19980929013445.G345@genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1101 Lines: 27 > Hadn't you heard? Acorn have dumped their Workstation division and > laid off 75 employees :-( They announced their future lies in Set Top > Boxes and Digital TV, and I don't see much scope for running a Debian > distribution on those. You may be right about other companies producing > ARMv3 designs - the Psion 5 _may_ be, but on the other hand it might > be based on an ARM7TDMI which is an ARMv4 architecture. I honestly > can't remember. Processor: ARM7100 Speed: 18.432MHz. ROM: 6M RAM: 8M So there you go. I think it's pretty similar to the ARM7500 but designed for a palmtop instead of a normal PC. > -- > Matthew Wilcox > "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are > better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of > one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 > unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu > -- James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 13:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08063 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA18389 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:30:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018386; Tue, 29 Sep 98 13:30:19 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <7038-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:28:10 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154170-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:39:38 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:56511 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154819-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:25:21 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAB9971 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:07:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:39:58 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id NAA08063 Status: RO Content-Length: 1346 Lines: 34 »Melanie Rhianna Lewis« schrieb in Artikel folgendes: Hallo, > > I'd be very interested in exact numbers: How many of these Acorns have > > got a StrongARM? Personally speaking I hardly know any Acorn RiscPC > > user who hasn't upgraded to StrongARM, so I guess: Quite many > > StrongARMed Acorns. > > Well mine hasn't been upgraded and is unlikely too as I have other > priorities (motor bikes!). Its still a basic RPC600 except with a SCSI > card, 32Mb ram and 2Mb VRAM. Its perfectly usable and runs about the same > speed as my girlfriend's 486DX66 running Linux. Its also a perfect > compliment to my P166 Linux box. > I would quite like a Debian/ELF release thanks. If I did understand Jim and the others right they intend to do an ARMv3 release which will work on any ARM »below« StrongARM - ie RiscPCs with ARM6xx and ARM7xx (and slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs). > If I want strong arm I'll get a netwinder. For most RiscPC users without a StrongARM it's a question of about £100-150 to insert a StrongARM processor card and suddenly their RiscPC flies. Try it out and you'll be truely amazed . Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 12:35:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01658 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:35:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA18271 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:35:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018269; Tue, 29 Sep 98 12:34:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11059-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:31:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155199-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:36:44 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:56510 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154816-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:25:18 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA9971 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:07:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:51:14 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id MAA01658 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2172 Lines: 49 »Philip Blundell« schrieb in Artikel folgendes: Hallo, > >How do I do that? If I configure gcc using --with-cpu=strongarm, I'm > >going to get the halfword instructions. Is there another option I can > >use? ie. --with-cpu=armv4? Or is this going to require patching gcc? > > Basically you can't at the moment. It wouldn't be any big deal to add an > option to gcc to inhibit halfword instructions but allow all other ARMv4 > enhancements, but so far I haven't done it because there's been no > pressing need and it seemed like a needless complication. Feel free to > make a patch to egcs to implement this; it might make life slightly > easier for the Acorn people. Naturally it will make life easier for us Acorn StrongARM users. Please do that patch . The StrongARM has many pros compared to older ARMs (you know I know ) so disabling the StrongARM features on Acorn StrongARM machines »just« because they can't handle the halfword operations makes the computers much slower than they should. > >Or perhaps the StrongARM RiscPC is so rare, it's not worth decreasing > >performance for the other StrongARM machines (like the NetWinder)? > > To be honest I think this is the case. The number of Acorn machines > running Linux is really pretty small. Since Acorn's native OS (RISC OS) isn't supported any longer the number of Acorn users running Linux will increase. I don't know numbers right now but I know there are many Acorn StrongARM users out there. Because they won't throw away their machines they'll have to use ARM Linux. > Since most future ARM machines are likely to support halfwords and the > like it seems sensible to go with that as the default. Since Linux supports all kind of different architectures it looks to be a bit unfair to ignore the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC machines which have got a CPU clocked six times higher than any older Acorn ARM6xx/7xx RiscPC together with an improved instruction set (MULs etc)... :-| Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 12:31:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00982 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA18244 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:31:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18238; Tue, 29 Sep 98 12:31:07 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10538-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:28:00 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154384-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:24:31 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:18599 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154800-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:24:15 -0400 Received: from tiddles.oregan (oregan-cambridge.demon.co.uk [212.228.27.73]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28851; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:06:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:58:46 +0100 From: Phil Norman To: EduardPfarr@swol.de Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <6869188d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> In-Reply-To: <3afcd28c48%root@swol.de> X-Organization: Xania X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1494 Lines: 32 In message <3afcd28c48%root@swol.de> Eduard Pfarr wrote: > Philip Blundell schrieb in Artikel > folgendes: > > > >That makes it sound like it would be best to have two distributions. > > >One optimized for the new StrongARM-based machines that can handle the > > >halfword instructions (ie. NetWinder, EBSA). And a > > >"lowest-common-denominator" distribution that uses the ARMv3 > > >instruction set (for the ARM710, and RiscPC). > > > > I agree. > > I can't agree. Since StrongARMed RiscPC's are the only Acorn boxes where > Linux runs attractively on, I think a StrongARM optimized version without > halfword instructions (because of the RiscPC's bus) is quite neccessary. I'd like you to remember a few things. Firstly, these guys gain nothing for compiling up a RiscPC version at all, so it's rather nice of them to do that much. Secondly, Acorn machines are occupying a smaller and smaller position in the linux-arm scene, and so support for RiscPCs is becoming less important. Thirdly, due to the ridiculously slow bus on a StrongARM RiscPC, unix-clone OSs run incredibly slowly anyway (they tend to require fast busses far more than RiscOS does). So basically what I'm trying to say is, stop complaining and be content with what Jim is already doing, at no gain to himself, for the benefit of those with RiscPCs. Phil unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 13:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08064 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:30:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA18390 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:30:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa18386; Tue, 29 Sep 98 13:30:21 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6774-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:28:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154819-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:39:51 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:56512 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154820-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:25:24 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAC9971 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:07:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:01:10 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <874strn6mj.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id NAA08064 Status: RO Content-Length: 977 Lines: 27 »Jim Pick« schrieb in Artikel <874strn6mj.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> folgendes: Hallo, [..] > That's primarily an issue for binary-only packages (ie. Corel > WordPerfect). I suspect that might be true. The StrongARM RiscPC > folks might want to petition Corel to compile WordPerfect without > halfword instructions. Unfortunately we StrongARM RiscPC users don't have a real lobby/company behind us so I'm pretty pessimistic about such a petition. The Europeans look to be conservative when it comes to Internet petitions done by the users... So in the end even with Linux OS I've to own either a Wintel box or a Netwinder in order to run binary-only software. Sigh. Funny point: Most of us StrongARM RiscPC users already had a StrongARM when the world hardly knew what the ARM and StrongARM actually is... Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 14:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10433 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18583 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018581; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:27:34 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10942-5487> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:26:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154078-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:49:03 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:56787 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155201-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:38:16 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.48]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAC14853 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:20:32 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:40:40 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <843f1c8d48%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: <6869188d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id OAA10433 Status: RO Content-Length: 1472 Lines: 37 »Phil Norman« schrieb in Artikel <6869188d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> folgendes: Hallo, > > I can't agree. Since StrongARMed RiscPC's are the only Acorn boxes where > > Linux runs attractively on, I think a StrongARM optimized version > > without halfword instructions (because of the RiscPC's bus) is quite > > neccessary. > > I'd like you to remember a few things. Firstly, these guys gain nothing > for compiling up a RiscPC version at all, so it's rather nice of them to > do that much. Yes, definitely! Still there's no need to »remember« me because I didn't ignore it. I just participate at a discussion here. > Secondly, Acorn machines are occupying a smaller and smaller position > in the linux-arm scene, and so support for RiscPCs is becoming less > important. Yes and no - RiscPC users could replace their dieing RISC OS with Linux (like many Amiga users did with AmigaOS). If the RiscPC-II should ever enter the market it would run Linux, too. > Thirdly, due to the ridiculously slow bus on a StrongARM RiscPC, > unix-clone OSs run incredibly slowly anyway I've read Linux runs happily on 386 and 486 Wintel boxes which usually don't have a faster bus so I'm not sure what you're trying to say... > So basically what I'm trying to say is, stop complaining and be content > with what Jim is already doing, at no gain to himself, for the benefit of > those with RiscPCs. I'd like you to remember that Jim asked which ARM releases he should do From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 14:45:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19352 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18630 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:45:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018628; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:45:01 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:33584 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10844-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:42:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <155343-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:44:21 -0400 Received: from gw-nl1.philips.com ([192.68.44.33]:2930 "EHLO gw-nl1.philips.com" ident: "IDENT-NONSENSE") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154890-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:07:02 -0400 Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.philips.com with ESMTP id LAA04438 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:49:17 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from mkoek@wi.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from natlab.research.philips.com (prle.natlab.research.philips.com [130.139.161.112]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.8.5/8.6.10-1.2.2m-970826) with SMTP id LAA20359 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:49:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by natlab.research.philips.com; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:49:16 +0200 Message-Id: <3610AD1B.A35BA0A1@wi.leidenuniv.nl> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:49:15 +0200 From: Mark Koek Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ARM Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1347 Lines: 33 Melanie Rhianna Lewis wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > > I'd be very interested in exact numbers: How many of these Acorns have got > > a StrongARM? Personally speaking I hardly know any Acorn RiscPC user who > > hasn't upgraded to StrongARM, so I guess: Quite many StrongARMed Acorns. > > Well mine hasn't been upgraded and is unlikely too as I have other > priorities (motor bikes!). Its still a basic RPC600 except with a SCSI > card, 32Mb ram and 2Mb VRAM. Its perfectly usable and runs about the same > speed as my girlfriend's 486DX66 running Linux. Its also a perfect > compliment to my P166 Linux box. > > I would quite like a Debian/ELF release thanks. If I want strong arm I'll > get a netwinder. Mine *is* upgraded (anyone need a spare ARM610? :-). However, having read this thread I don't think it's worth the trouble to create a strongarm-without-LDRH/STRH-distribution, because the only benefit of that compared to an armv3 distribution would be the long multiply instructions. What code would be generated for ARM6/7 where a StrongARM would use a 64bit multiply? Is it very 'expensive'? Plus, how often are those instructions actually used in practice? Mark Koek PS How about a distribution for my old ARM2-machine? ;-) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 14:03:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01454 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:03:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA18505 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:03:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018503; Tue, 29 Sep 98 14:02:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:59969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10969-5487>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:00:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154047-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:47:30 -0400 Received: from man01.cogency.co.uk ([195.153.128.51]:36655 "HELO mailhost.cogency.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <155116-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:34:23 -0400 Received: from treblig.org by mailhost.cogency.co.uk (SMI-8.6/PIPEX simple 1.27) id LAA21259; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:19:01 +0100 Message-ID: <3610B35A.304CD50A@treblig.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:15:54 +0100 From: David Alan Gilbert Organization: Cogency Technology Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 33 James Craig wrote: > That someone else had written (Possibly Matthew) > You may be right about other companies producing > > ARMv3 designs - the Psion 5 _may_ be, but on the other hand it might > > be based on an ARM7TDMI which is an ARMv4 architecture. I honestly > > can't remember. I >think< that any ARM7 design is V3; or V3T if it has a Thumb extension. StrongARM, ARM8 etc are V4 with the snazzy load extension. > > > Processor: ARM7100 > Speed: 18.432MHz. > ROM: 6M > RAM: 8M > So there you go. I think it's pretty similar to the ARM7500 but designed > for a palmtop instead of a normal PC. I think there are some people who've looked at porting to Psion; but I haven't heard anything from them lately. Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Dr. David Alan Gilbert - WARNING! This is a beta release .signature- - Work: dg @ cogency.co.uk - +44-(0)161-428-9444 - - Home: gro.gilbert @ treblig.org - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 15:18:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00739 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:18:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18748 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:18:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018745; Tue, 29 Sep 98 15:18:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:14905 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10381-5487>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:15:03 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154177-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:33:38 -0400 Received: from relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.119.201]:57030 "EHLO relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154414-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:01:56 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.218.162]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14002; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:44:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03aixgraf1) id AA38955; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:44:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:44:20 +0200 (METDST) From: Stefan Hanske X-Sender: shanske@aixgraf1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de To: Jim Pick Cc: Richard Bradbury , ARM Linux Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: <874strn6mj.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1189 Lines: 24 On 28 Sep 1998, Jim Pick wrote: > (minus the kernel). If there is any interest, it wouldn't be too much > work for people with RiscPCs to compile binaries for an official > "armv3" distribution. I'm sure Vincent Renardias (one of the key > Debian maintainers, who also has a RiscPC 600) would be interested in > this - so we have at least one user. :-) I think there's two at least... and there'll be a lot more. Since Acorn's RiscPCs aren't like normal PCs (they do work fine for 5 years without the need to upgrade yearly), there is definitly a "market" for an armv3 distribution of at least a basic system including basic tools / X11R6 / some libraries. ---------------------------------------------------------- |mailto: Stefan Hanske (shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de | |WWW : http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~shanske | |phone: I'm not silly | |--------------------------------------------------------| | And don't forget to remember what you remembered not | | to forget to remember... | ---------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 16:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02905 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:32:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18977 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:32:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018975; Tue, 29 Sep 98 16:32:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38476 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3415-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:28:31 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153885-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:57:32 -0400 Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]:38958 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154209-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:34:06 -0400 Received: from [193.237.23.100] (helo=gate.sw.milldev.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNxlm-0003hu-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:38 +0000 Received: from florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (florence.sw.milldev.co.uk [192.168.0.6]) by gate.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14191; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:05:01 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA06927; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:04:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199809291104.MAA06927@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: phil@oregan.net (Phil Norman) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:04:58 +0100 (BST) Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <6869188d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> from "Phil Norman" at Sep 29, 98 09:58:46 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1798 Lines: 40 Phil Norman said: > I'd like you to remember a few things. Firstly, these guys gain nothing for > compiling up a RiscPC version at all, so it's rather nice of them to do that > much. Another point to remember - I gain very little from Linux as well (in fact, I end up with a lot of grief, but that's my choice when I created Linux on ARM). > Secondly, Acorn machines are occupying a smaller and smaller position > in the linux-arm scene, and so support for RiscPCs is becoming less > important. Especially now with Acorn Workstation gone. However, IMHO they are still a viable machine from my perspective at the moment. Although I'm starting to put more effort into the EBSA-285 port (giving it a HD for starters), my main machine will still be the RiscPC for some time yet. > Thirdly, due to the ridiculously slow bus on a StrongARM RiscPC, unix-clone > OSs run incredibly slowly anyway (they tend to require fast busses > far more than RiscOS does). So far, since adding the hard drive to the EBSA-285 last night, I have not achieved the performance from it that I was hoping for - the transfer rate off of the HD is 1.2MB/s - slower than the RiscPC! This is a Promise UltraDMA card with the Conner 1GB drive from the RiscPC. On the RiscPC, I managed to get 1.6MB/s out of it. I am still hopeful to get the speed up on the EBSA, so don't take these figures as fact yet. > So basically what I'm trying to say is, stop complaining and be content with > what Jim is already doing, at no gain to himself, for the benefit of those > with RiscPCs. Indeed, and report bugs with information on how they're caused ;) -- Russell King (rmk@milldev.demon.co.uk) Millbank Electronics Tel: 01825 764811 Fax: 01825 761620 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 16:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02231 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:06:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18909 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:06:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018907; Tue, 29 Sep 98 16:05:40 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1660 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3078-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:02:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154848-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:40:35 -0400 Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]:42099 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155408-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:47:03 -0400 Received: from [158.152.9.209] (helo=cryton.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zNxyT-0003S6-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:29:46 +0000 Received: from picard.demon.co.uk by cryton.demon.co.uk (4.1/25-eef) id AA08737; Tue, 29 Sep 98 12:29:43 BST Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:28:19 +0100 (BST) From: Hugo Fiennes Reply-To: Hugo Fiennes Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: James Craig <9606585c@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Serial Port X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.50] X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 26 On Tue 29 Sep, James Craig wrote: > > > Processor: ARM7100 > Speed: 18.432MHz. > ROM: 6M > RAM: 8M > So there you go. I think it's pretty similar to the ARM7500 but designed > for a palmtop instead of a normal PC. It's an ARM7 core, yes, with 8k of cache (as opposed to 4k on the 7500?). If you telnet to ham01.dcs.warwick.ac.uk, you'll see one running Linux :-) (holdups on the Psion5 port: mainly, the chips they use are organised in such a way that you only get 512k contiguous with MMU off. Kernel wasn't happy running in that sort of space when last tried :-( The board you can telnet to is my wirewrapped '7100 board, with a proper symmetrical row/column SIMM. Hugo -- Disclaimer: "The contents of this albatross were measured by weight, not volume. Contents may have settled during transit." unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 16:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03171 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18991 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:43:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma018989; Tue, 29 Sep 98 16:43:13 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:38476 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3580-5487> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:40:27 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153916-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:09:48 -0400 Received: from chaos.oregan.net ([195.173.86.1]:1379 "EHLO chaos.oregan.net" ident: "root") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <156042-4055> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:31:57 -0400 Received: from tiddles.oregan (oregan-cambridge.demon.co.uk [212.228.27.73]) by chaos.oregan.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01497; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:14:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:08:12 +0100 From: Phil Norman To: EduardPfarr@swol.de Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xania X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail =?ISO-8859-1?Q?0.21=DF?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id QAA03171 Status: RO Content-Length: 724 Lines: 19 In message Eduard Pfarr wrote: > If I did understand Jim and the others right they intend to do an ARMv3 > release which will work on any ARM »below« StrongARM - ie RiscPCs with ^ ^ Please stop using the above highlighted characters; they're high ASCII, and really should not be used in emails. > ARM6xx and ARM7xx (and slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs). No, you did not understand correctly. Any linux-arm stuff compiled for v3 ARMs will work on the StrongARM. StrongARM users are not being hard done by; we are being supported. Phil unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 18:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA23627 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19361 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:22:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019358; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:22:31 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12568 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3311-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:17:41 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154237-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:04:43 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:27712 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154001-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:48:11 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zNzoZ-0002wp-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:39 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zNzoX-0000nN-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:37 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark Koek cc: ARM Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:49:15 +0200." <3610AD1B.A35BA0A1@wi.leidenuniv.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:27:37 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Lines: 11 >PS How about a distribution for my old ARM2-machine? ;-) Nobody has done the work to make ELF run on 26-bit machines yet. It's certainly not impossible and it's something I plan to look at eventually but as priorities go it's quite low down. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 18:22:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA23626 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:22:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19362 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:22:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa19358; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:22:32 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:12568 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10465-6289> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:22:16 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154121-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:05:48 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:29750 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <155042-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:55:47 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18819; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:38:46 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01609; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:38:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for EduardPfarr@swol.de; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:38:46 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Eduard Pfarr on Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 10:51:14AM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id SAA23626 Status: RO Content-Length: 2070 Lines: 41 On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > The StrongARM has many pros compared to older ARMs (you know I know ) so > disabling the StrongARM features on Acorn StrongARM machines »just« > because > they can't handle the halfword operations makes the computers much slower > than they should. Really? You know this for a fact do you? I don't think many programs use shorts. To check my guess, I just untarred the grep-2.2 package from Debian, and grepped all the files. Not one single `short' in it. It may be atypical, but on the other hand I can't remember the last program I wrote that used a short. I don't know under what circumstances GCC will produce the MULL opcode. probably only when using `long long'. A grep through the grep code again produces _no_ `long long' usage either. What other extensions does armv4 have over armv3? I'd like to know there's a real problem before actually worrying about it. One question I have is whether GCC will generate code which _won't_ run on a SA? I'm referring to unusual things like relying on PC+8/PC+12 issues; I very much doubt it generates this code, or that it generates self-modifying code, but I'd like to be sure. > Since Linux supports all kind of different architectures it looks to be > a bit unfair to ignore the Acorn StrongARM RiscPC machines which have got a > CPU clocked six times higher than any older Acorn ARM6xx/7xx RiscPC together > with an improved instruction set (MULs etc)... :-| I really don't think the extra instructions get you terribly much more in the way of performance for real life applications. They may well suit embedded applications and produce significant enhancements there, since that is ARM's target market. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 18:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05617 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:56:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19494 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:56:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019492; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:55:56 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47469 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3708-6289>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:53:21 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154165-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:40:51 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:28442 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154652-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:11:31 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zO13T-000346-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:47:07 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zO13R-00012H-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:47:05 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King cc: phil@oregan.net (Phil Norman), Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:04:58 BST." <199809291104.MAA06927@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:47:05 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 11 >achieved the performance from it that I was hoping for - the transfer rate >off of the HD is 1.2MB/s - slower than the RiscPC! This is a Promise UltraDMA That certainly is a bit dismal. I must admit I never did any testing to see how fast the CATS hard drive was. I'll have to give it a go. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Tue Sep 29 19:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07596 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA19515 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:01:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019513; Tue, 29 Sep 98 19:01:14 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47469 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3092-5487>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:57:12 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154242-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:45:23 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:2243 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154801-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:33:00 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA19071; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:07 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06321; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980929171607.L345@genedata.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:16:07 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Mark Koek , ARM Linux mailing list Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <3610AD1B.A35BA0A1@wi.leidenuniv.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <3610AD1B.A35BA0A1@wi.leidenuniv.nl>; from Mark Koek on Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:49:15AM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1406 Lines: 37 On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 11:49:15AM +0200, Mark Koek wrote: > What code would be generated for ARM6/7 where a StrongARM would use a > 64bit multiply? Is it very 'expensive'? Plus, how often are those > instructions actually used in practice? Good question. A naive implementation gives me 12 instructions: mov r2, r0, lsr #16 bic r0, r0, r2, lsl #16 mov r3, r1, lsr #16 bic r1, r1, r3, lsl #16 mul r4, r0, r1 mul r0, r3, r0 mul r1, r2, r1 mul r2, r3, r2 adds r4, r4, r0, lsl #16 adc r2, r2, r0, lsr #16 adds r0, r4, r1, lsl #16 adc r1, r2, r1, lsr #16 This uses 3 additional registers, and it probably has some nasty stalls while waiting for mul to complete. I suspect other people have done better. However, i don't believe these instructions are used terribly often, as I said in my earlier post. > PS How about a distribution for my old ARM2-machine? ;-) Once I get my R140 out here, I'll look into it. But I don't think we should burden Debian with having to create a distribution. Particularly since there's no armv2-ELF solution yet. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From pb@nexus.co.uk Tue Sep 29 18:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01397 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:44:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA19452 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:44:07 +0200 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk(158.152.30.195) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019450; Tue, 29 Sep 98 18:43:40 +0200 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zO2ix-0003E5-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:34:03 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zO2iw-0001L8-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:34:02 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Matthew Wilcox cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:38:46 +0200." <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:34:02 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 15 >I don't think many programs use shorts. To check my guess, I just >untarred the grep-2.2 package from Debian, and grepped all the files. >Not one single `short' in it. It may be atypical, but on the other >hand I can't remember the last program I wrote that used a short. FWIW, I've been working with Bison this afternoon and the parsers it generates use shorts all over the place. >there's a real problem before actually worrying about it. One question >I have is whether GCC will generate code which _won't_ run on a SA? I don't think so. p. From linux@arm.uk.linux.org Tue Sep 29 23:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA08075 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:38:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20057 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:38:06 +0200 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net(163.164.160.3) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020055; Tue, 29 Sep 98 23:37:50 +0200 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup2.cymru.net [163.164.160.66]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA24582; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:37:10 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02618; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:35:07 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00983; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:37:30 +0100 Message-Id: <199809292137.WAA00983@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: jim@jimpick.com (Jim Pick) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:37:29 +0100 (BST) Cc: Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com, scottb@corelcomputer.com, pb@nexus.co.uk, shanske@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org In-Reply-To: <877lynn7pr.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> from "Jim Pick" at Sep 28, 98 04:22:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 1356 Lines: 28 Jim Pick writes: > We could call the "armv3" distribution an "arm-acorn" distribution. > That might make sense, especially if we decide to use halfword > instructions for the "arm" version, so it wouldn't run on any of the > Acorn machines. I would strongly suggest calling the ARM for acorn machines (and other machines) the "armv3", which will tie up with the new `uname -m` strings. I would also strongly suggest calling the Netwinder (StrongARM with half-word) the "armv4" since half-words are introduced into Architecture V4, and is not allowed in V3 (if you believe the ARM architecture ref manual). This would then mean that we have a common base from which all the names come from. If anyone wants to know the exact strings that uname -m produces on various machines, either look in the 2.1.xx source patches, or mail me and I'll dig out the info. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 00:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09619 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20240 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:50:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma020238; Wed, 30 Sep 98 00:50:16 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25936 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6272-13565>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:48:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154324-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:42:10 -0400 Received: from fleming.jimpick.com ([204.209.212.123]:2090 "EHLO fleming.jimpick.com" ident: "jim") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154066-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:13:51 -0400 Received: (from jim@localhost) by fleming.jimpick.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) id OAA22392; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:57:38 -0700 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <199809292137.WAA00983@raistlin.armlinux.org> X-Url: http://www.jimpick.com/ Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Jim Pick Date: 29 Sep 1998 14:57:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin's message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:37:29 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <87ogryh99s.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.27/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" X-Face: Hz"C77\53<,u1}C~=DFwS#Ddj161XLl6W!3g7xjxh*P'`FF^-IYQXX$a*WC~=^8rvy"~<3z UeQqGo&KZe[}lJg`\+SDMGRVIUJ~P,#(=w~yYv{g9i%"k|\J|jYVvv^Bzfwo=@AddrDMO writes: > I would strongly suggest calling the ARM for acorn machines (and other > machines) the "armv3", which will tie up with the new `uname -m` strings. Agreed. > I would also strongly suggest calling the Netwinder (StrongARM with > half-word) the "armv4" since half-words are introduced into Architecture > V4, and is not allowed in V3 (if you believe the ARM architecture ref > manual). I'll see what I can do. We initially called it "arm" because we didn't know any better (that was before the uname strings were settled upon). When I get some time, I'll talk to the maintainer of ftp.debian.org to see what we can do about moving things around. We'll also have to recompile all the stuff we've got so far to use the new architecture names (not that big of a deal). > This would then mean that we have a common base from which all the names > come from. I agree that would be good. > If anyone wants to know the exact strings that uname -m produces on > various machines, either look in the 2.1.xx source patches, or mail me > and I'll dig out the info. Ok. Cheers, - Jim unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 19:29:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12582 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:29:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22837 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:29:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022833; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:28:53 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55324 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6605-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:24:44 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154003-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:37:26 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1940 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154044-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:36:38 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup6.cymru.net [163.164.160.70]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA18734; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:23:11 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02953; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:35:25 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01265; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:37:45 +0100 Message-Id: <199809292237.XAA01265@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:37:44 +0100 (BST) Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Sep 29, 98 03:47:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1825 Lines: 36 Philip Blundell writes: > >achieved the performance from it that I was hoping for - the transfer rate > >off of the HD is 1.2MB/s - slower than the RiscPC! This is a Promise UltraDMA > > That certainly is a bit dismal. I must admit I never did any testing to see > how fast the CATS hard drive was. I'll have to give it a go. Ok, after setting the PCI Latency timers to something sensible (32), I'm still getting around 1.4MB/s. There is the little matter of one of Phil's comments lying around in the sources: /* Nobody could say these are optimal, but not to worry. */ Hmm, maybe I ought to optimise them then... BTW, DMA doesn't seem to work with this drive (Conner CFS1081A) - does anyone know if this drive is DMA capable? According to hdparm -i: RawCHS=2097/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4 BuffType=0(?), BuffSize=0KB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=1(medium), DMA=yes, maxDMA=2(fast) CurCHS=2097/16/63, CurSects=2114180, LBA=yes, LBAsects=2114180 tDMA={min:120,rec:120}, DMA modes: *mword0 mword1 mword2 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:383,w/IORDY:120}, PIO modes: mode3 mode4 Anyone know what this means? i'm guessing that it means that DMA mode 'mword0' is supported, but none of the other modes. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From linux@arm.uk.linux.org Wed Sep 30 19:23:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11727 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:23:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22814 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:23:37 +0200 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net(163.164.160.3) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022812; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:23:27 +0200 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (dialup6.cymru.net [163.164.160.70]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA18737; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:23:15 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02971; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:41:31 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01307; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:43:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199809292243.XAA01307@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:43:50 +0100 (BST) Cc: Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com, EduardPfarr@swol.de, Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Sep 29, 98 05:34:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 777 Lines: 16 Philip Blundell writes: > >there's a real problem before actually worrying about it. One question > >I have is whether GCC will generate code which _won't_ run on a SA? > > I don't think so. I thought that GCC can produce half-word instructions, which don't work on the RiscPC. _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 14:17:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01176 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:17:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA21890 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:17:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021886; Wed, 30 Sep 98 14:16:38 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:63850 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11088-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:16:23 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154108-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:29:58 -0400 Received: from lizard.u-net.net ([195.102.240.251]:57853 "EHLO serv1.is1.u-net.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154491-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 03:29:44 -0400 Received: from [194.119.175.102] (helo=oac.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu id 0zOM6Q-0006mW-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:15:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:15:58 +0100 From: Rob Davis To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <48d6928d48%rob@oac.u-net.com> In-Reply-To: <87ogryh99s.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Reply-To: rob.davis@oaci.org X-Organization: OAC Ministries X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 860 Lines: 21 In message <87ogryh99s.fsf@fleming.jimpick.com> Jim Pick wrote: > > Russell King - ARM Linux Admin writes: > > > I would strongly suggest calling the ARM for acorn machines (and other > > machines) the "armv3", which will tie up with the new `uname -m` strings. > > Agreed. Could you not simply put a symbolic link in the directory structure, so that non-programmers could work out what to do. The link could be called acorn and link to the armv3 binaries? -- Rob Davis OAC Ministries, British Registered Charity, 295432 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Homepage: http://www.oac.u-net.com Mobile: 0973 359577 (SMS welcome) rob.davis@oaci.org (Rob.. At the house) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 10:59:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21421 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:59:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA21290 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:59:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021286; Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:58:54 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:3178 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10294-13565>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:52:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154339-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:56:57 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:38029 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154406-4055>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:54:46 -0400 Received: from [158.152.96.167] (helo=defaid.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOHoA-0005xQ-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:40:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (melanie@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by defaid.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01400; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:41:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:41:17 +0100 (BST) From: Melanie Rhianna Lewis To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: Arm Linux mailing list Subject: Re: fvwm In-Reply-To: <199809270908.KAA00438@raistlin.armlinux.org> Message-ID: Organization: Trans-world BBS [+44 117 904 0901] X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 X-Host: Melanie's Linux Box - Mournblade X-MandM-To: ALL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 769 Lines: 19 On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote: > I seem to remember (I can't find my FHS document) that the Linux FHS standard > says that the X11 configuration files are supposed to be in /etc/X11 (although > I'd tend to disagree). I've sym-linked to there anyway 'cause that's what I'm used to (I used to run Redhat 4.2). Melanie -- ===================================================================== Melanie Rhianna Lewis melanie@defaid.demon.co.uk "An it hurt none, do what thou will" http://www.defaid.demon.co.uk TLBB#2 TGMCC#1 - MZ125, X7 (Under re-construction) ===================================================================== unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 11:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24202 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:41:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA21491 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:41:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021489; Wed, 30 Sep 98 11:41:18 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:35668 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10383-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:38:49 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154384-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:52:26 -0400 Received: from swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au ([130.95.208.1]:4108 "EHLO swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154467-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:49:39 -0400 Received: from sg26.ee.uwa.edu.au (sg26.ee.uwa.edu.au [130.95.200.56]) by swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10537 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:40:56 +0800 (WST) Received: from localhost by sg26.ee.uwa.edu.au (940816.SGI.8.6.9/CIIPS-1.0) id RAA03171; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:36:42 +0800 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:36:41 +0800 (WST) From: Tom Clarkson X-Sender: clark-tj@sg26 To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Binary Archive && AfterStep Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Lines: 26 Hi People! Does anyone know of an archive of binaries for ArmLinux users? I think that if there isn't one, it might be something for people to have a think about. There are lots of pieces of software with pre-compiled x86 binaries and so on, however, they rarely have the armlinux binary!! I have been trying to install Afterstep from the RPM and from source code, and having trouble, and it occured to me that is anyone had already posted the binary on an archive then I was wasting my time. If there is something like this already, then I'd love to know about it, and if there isn't then it is something that might be worth setting up! Tom :-) \\|// (o -) +-----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------+ | Tom Clarkson | | University of Western Australia | +---------------------------------+ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 12:48:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26508 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA21642 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma021640; Wed, 30 Sep 98 12:48:14 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:29969 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10680-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:45:39 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154500-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:55:08 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:1227 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154456-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:52:37 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOJSC-0003u4-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:25:52 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOJSA-0001qH-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:25:50 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom Clarkson cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Binary Archive && AfterStep In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:36:41 +0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:25:50 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 9 >Does anyone know of an archive of binaries for ArmLinux users? There are some in ftp.uk.linux.org:/pub/armlinux. Corel and the Debian people both have their own binary archives. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 15:37:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12124 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22191 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa22187; Wed, 30 Sep 98 15:37:04 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25096 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10773-13565>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:09:56 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154066-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:22:51 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:4231 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153888-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:22:26 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOLjU-00048l-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:51:52 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOLjT-00022S-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:51:51 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: rob.davis@oaci.org cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:15:58 BST." <48d6928d48%rob@oac.u-net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:51:51 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 396 Lines: 11 >Could you not simply put a symbolic link in the directory structure, >so that non-programmers could work out what to do. The link >could be called acorn and link to the armv3 binaries? I think better would be to just mention in the documentation "if you have an Acorn machine, you need the armv3 distribution". p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 15:37:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12123 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22190 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:37:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022187; Wed, 30 Sep 98 15:37:02 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:25096 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10487-13565>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:06:22 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154242-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:19:23 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:61578 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153888-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:15:23 -0400 Received: from [193.237.23.100] (helo=gate.sw.milldev.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOLsY-0007VD-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:01:14 +0000 Received: from florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (florence.sw.milldev.co.uk [192.168.0.6]) by gate.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26701; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:55:56 +0100 From: Russell King Received: (from rmk@localhost) by florence.sw.milldev.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA07103; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:55:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199809301255.NAA07103@florence.sw.milldev.co.uk> Subject: Re: Binary Archive && AfterStep To: pb@nexus.co.uk (Philip Blundell) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:55:54 +0100 (BST) Cc: clark-tj@ee.uwa.edu.au, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: from "Philip Blundell" at Sep 30, 98 11:25:50 am Content-Type: text X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 14 Philip Blundell said: > There are some in ftp.uk.linux.org:/pub/armlinux. Corel and the Debian people > both have their own binary archives. Please use ftp.arm.uk.linux.org to refer to this, and not ftp.uk.linux.org. It may get you to the same place *at the moment* but it may move elsewhere at any time! This is the point of the aliases... -- Russell King (rmk@milldev.demon.co.uk) unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 18:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06994 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:54:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA22735 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:54:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022732; Wed, 30 Sep 98 18:54:10 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51216 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10411-25671> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:50:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153951-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:03:15 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:33132 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153956-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:00:58 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.39]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA26837 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:47:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:40:27 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <3e84c68d48%root@swol.de> In-Reply-To: <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id SAA06994 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1605 Lines: 37 »Matthew Wilcox« schrieb in Artikel <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> folgendes: > On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > The StrongARM has many pros compared to older ARMs (you know I know > > ) so disabling the StrongARM features on Acorn StrongARM machines > > »just« because they can't handle the halfword operations makes the > > computers much slower than they should. > > Really? You know this for a fact do you? Well, mea culpa when it comes to the relative term »much slower«. What is much - and compared to what . Considering many Acorn user's experiences with C compiled programs on the RiscPC when the StrongARM replaced the older ARMv3 CPUs: There's been a performance difference when Acorn's C compiler became StrongARM aware. I suppose this is mainly because the compiler addressed the improved cache system (long cache lines maybe, alignment to 8 word boundary, etc) but I'm unfortunately no compiler expert, just a programmer »brutus« . RISC OS 3.7 has addressed these StrongARM features; again I suppose just because it used a/the new compiler? [..] > What other extensions does armv4 have over armv3? I'd like to know > there's a real problem before actually worrying about it. AFAIK it's more the internal working (caching etc.) than new instructions. Acorn's applications notes when the StrongARM CPU card has been released mentioned some. Probably they're still on their server. Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 19:01:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08413 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:01:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22758 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:01:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022756; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:01:05 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:51216 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6674-25671> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:58:06 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153883-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:03:25 -0400 Received: from mail.swol.de ([195.238.142.104]:33134 "EHLO mail.swol.de" ident: "SOCKWRITE-65") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153962-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:01:01 -0400 Received: from armaxess.swol.de ([195.238.138.39]) by mail.swol.de (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAC26837 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:47:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:44:39 +0200 From: Eduard Pfarr To: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. Message-ID: <95e6c68d48%root@swol.de> References: <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> X-Organization: Aut Deus aut Nihil X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id TAA08413 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1150 Lines: 30 »Phil Norman« schrieb in Artikel <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> folgendes: > > If I did understand Jim and the others right they intend to do an ARMv3 > > release which will work on any ARM »below« StrongARM - ie RiscPCs with > ^ ^ > Please stop using the above highlighted characters; they're high ASCII, > and really should not be used in emails. Unusual - 3/4 of the European countries need »high ASCII« chars in their mother language and people from there use these characters in e-mails as well as Usenet articles. I've done this successfully for many years now, too, and it works fine on Windoze and RISC OS. If it's a problem here I will have to do something about it. > > ARM6xx and ARM7xx (and slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs). > > No, you did not understand correctly. Any linux-arm stuff compiled for v3 > ARMs will work on the StrongARM. Great to hear. However does »slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs« apply? Cheers, Eduard. -- Wunschliste Linux-Software: http://linuxresources.com/wish/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 19:16:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10720 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:16:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22792 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:16:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022790; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:16:33 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55324 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6257-13565> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:13:13 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153971-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:13:07 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:31846 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154029-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:12:15 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22750; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:58:50 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07896; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for EduardPfarr@swol.de; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930185850.V345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:58:50 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> <3e84c68d48%root@swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <3e84c68d48%root@swol.de>; from Eduard Pfarr on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 06:40:27PM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id TAA10720 Status: RO Content-Length: 1286 Lines: 27 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 06:40:27PM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > »Matthew Wilcox« schrieb in Artikel > <19980929153846.K345@genedata.com> folgendes: > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > > The StrongARM has many pros compared to older ARMs (you know I know > > > ) so disabling the StrongARM features on Acorn StrongARM machines > > > »just« because they can't handle the halfword operations makes the > > > computers much slower than they should. > > > > Really? You know this for a fact do you? > > Well, mea culpa when it comes to the relative term »much slower«. What is > much - and compared to what . > > Considering many Acorn user's experiences with C compiled programs on the > RiscPC when the StrongARM replaced the older ARMv3 CPUs: There's been a > performance difference when Acorn's C compiler became StrongARM aware. I Acorn have never shipped and do not possess a StrongARM-aware compiler. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 19:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14817 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:44:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22865 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:44:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022863; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:43:36 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18449 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10424-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:39:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153981-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:51:04 -0400 Received: from nexusel.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.195]:8270 "EHLO globe.nexus.co.uk" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154024-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:48:16 -0400 Received: from [192.0.0.3] (helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=exim) by globe.nexus.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOPlV-0004VP-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:10:13 +0100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=spring.nexus.co.uk ident=pb) by spring.nexus.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zOPlU-0002c3-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:10:12 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eduard Pfarr cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:44:39 +0200." <95e6c68d48%root@swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:10:12 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 12 >However does "slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs" apply? To a limited extent. But the binaries you get for the Intel port, for example, aren't going to be optimal for every single CPU out there -- the deal has always been that if you're all that bothered (most people aren't) you have the source, you can compile your own binaries. I think the same thing applies here. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 19:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12588 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA22839 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:29:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmab22833; Wed, 30 Sep 98 19:28:58 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:55324 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10790-25671> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:25:33 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154002-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:38:07 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:32475 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154001-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:37:26 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22818; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:24:06 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA11789; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:24:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for EduardPfarr@swol.de; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:24:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930192407.W345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:24:07 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> <95e6c68d48%root@swol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: <95e6c68d48%root@swol.de>; from Eduard Pfarr on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 06:44:39PM +0200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id TAA12588 Status: RO Content-Length: 1520 Lines: 30 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 06:44:39PM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > »Phil Norman« schrieb in Artikel > <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> folgendes: > > > > If I did understand Jim and the others right they intend to do an ARMv3 > > > release which will work on any ARM »below« StrongARM - ie RiscPCs with > > ^ ^ > > Please stop using the above highlighted characters; they're high ASCII, > > and really should not be used in emails. > > Unusual - 3/4 of the European countries need »high ASCII« chars in their > mother language and people from there use these characters in e-mails as > well as Usenet articles. I've done this successfully for many years now, > too, and it works fine on Windoze and RISC OS. If it's a problem here I > will have to do something about it. I think you can see what my software does to them. It looks most unpleasant and isn't even remotely necessary since you can use the ordinary quotes `,' or ". SMTP is specified for 7 bit messages only. In any case, if the top bit is to be used, it is wrong to use it to encode only another 128 characters. UTF-8 is the way of the future (and for some, the present). -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 20:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21040 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:28:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22936 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:28:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xmaa22932; Wed, 30 Sep 98 20:27:39 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18449 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10831-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:22:55 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154042-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:35:38 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2530 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154034-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:35:16 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zOQfW-0007wk-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:08:06 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:37:44 BST." <199809292237.XAA01265@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:08:06 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 15 >BTW, DMA doesn't seem to work with this drive (Conner CFS1081A) - does anyone What happens when you try to turn it on? Some drives do seem to claim to be able to do DMA but actually fail every transfer if you use it. > BuffType=0(?), BuffSize=0KB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off > DblWordIO=no, maxPIO=1(medium), DMA=yes, maxDMA=2(fast) It looks like the drive certainly thinks it supports DMA. But the IDE driver almost certainly doesn't know about the cache coherency issues involved. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 20:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21039 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:28:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22935 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:28:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022932; Wed, 30 Sep 98 20:27:37 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18449 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <11210-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:22:25 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154039-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:35:16 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2523 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154032-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:35:04 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zOQi6-0007x4-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:10:46 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:43:50 BST." <199809292243.XAA01307@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:10:46 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 668 Lines: 20 >Philip Blundell writes: >> >there's a real problem before actually worrying about it. One question >> >I have is whether GCC will generate code which _won't_ run on a SA? >> >> I don't think so. > >I thought that GCC can produce half-word instructions, which don't work >on the RiscPC. Yes, it can, but I didn't think that was what Matthew was asking. I took his question to mean "if I target GCC for an ARMv3 cpu, is there danger that the resulting code will fail on StrongARM". The halfword problem on RiscPCs has had quite a substantial airing on this mailing list recently. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From nico@CAM.ORG Wed Sep 30 20:30:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21376 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22947 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:30:07 +0200 Received: from ocean.cam.org(198.168.100.5) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma022943; Wed, 30 Sep 98 20:29:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (nico@localhost) by Ocean.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA02896; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:29:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Ocean.CAM.ORG: nico owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:29:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Matthew Wilcox cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: <19980930192407.W345@genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id UAA21376 Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2178 Lines: 47 On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 06:44:39PM +0200, Eduard Pfarr wrote: > > »Phil Norman« schrieb in Artikel > > <3ec1298d48%phil@tiddles.oregan.net> folgendes: > > > > > > If I did understand Jim and the others right they intend to do an ARMv3 > > > > release which will work on any ARM »below« StrongARM - ie RiscPCs with > > > ^ ^ > > > Please stop using the above highlighted characters; they're high ASCII, > > > and really should not be used in emails. > > > > Unusual - 3/4 of the European countries need »high ASCII« chars in their > > mother language and people from there use these characters in e-mails as > > well as Usenet articles. I've done this successfully for many years now, > > too, and it works fine on Windoze and RISC OS. If it's a problem here I > > will have to do something about it. > > I think you can see what my software does to them. It looks most > unpleasant and isn't even remotely necessary since you can use the > ordinary quotes `,' or ". SMTP is specified for 7 bit messages only. This kind of message makes me mad when I see it. You should be aware that there isn't only English in the world even if Americans were part of the first computer designs and didn't bother about other characters than the plain dumb ASCII. SMTP and NNTP are 8 bits now and since I actually can see those quotes right even from the above wich is a reply from your mailer I must conclude that your mailer and the SMTP gateways on the path from it to the mailing list handle high ASCII just fine. These characters are displayed correctly within Winblows and Linux too, even in text mode which is what I use. I hope that your mailer is MIME compliant because otherwise those special characters will appear like an ugly escape sequence. So please, don't complain to others if your display is broken but fix it instead. And please don't be another advocate of those narrow-minded 7-bits-only designs... «Le français possède des accents, il faut les respecter.» P.S.: Don't take it personal, I must admit I'm not in a good mood today. Nicolas Pitre, B. ing. nico@cam.org From Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com Wed Sep 30 21:06:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23360; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for nico@CAM.ORG; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930210646.Y345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:46 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Nicolas Pitre , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <19980930192407.W345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas Pitre on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:29:00PM -0400 Status: RO Content-Length: 2855 Lines: 58 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > > I think you can see what my software does to them. It looks most > > unpleasant and isn't even remotely necessary since you can use the > > ordinary quotes `,' or ". SMTP is specified for 7 bit messages only. > > This kind of message makes me mad when I see it. You should be aware that > there isn't only English in the world even if Americans were part of the > first computer designs and didn't bother about other characters than the > plain dumb ASCII. SMTP and NNTP are 8 bits now and since I actually can > see those quotes right even from the above wich is a reply from your > mailer I must conclude that your mailer and the SMTP gateways on the path > from it to the mailing list handle high ASCII just fine. These characters > are displayed correctly within Winblows and Linux too, even in text mode > which is what I use. Thank you for gratuitously snipping the part of my message where I specifically mention UTF-8. If you don't even know what that is, who the hell do you think you are criticising me for not being considerate enough for languages apart from English? You're the arrogant one for not considering languages outside of this little corner of Europe. For those who don't know, UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode invented at Bell Labs which has many nice properties. It supports up to 2^32 characters as specified and there's space to specify more. The main point is that ASCII is compatible with UTF-8 (the mapping from ASCII to UTF-8 is the identity mapping) and using one's own local extensions to it is NOT. My mailer seems to cope with them fine (as it should - there's no reason to gratuitously break) whereas my _editor_ displays them in a very nasty way. > So please, don't complain to others if your display is broken but fix it > instead. And please don't be another advocate of those narrow-minded > 7-bits-only designs... > > «Le français possède des accents, il faut les respecter.» To me in this editor, it looks like: > \xabLe fran\xe7ais poss\xe8de des accents, il faut les respecter.\xbb Since I'm not a french speaker, I don't know what the typographic conventions are for the cedilla. Aber ich habe kein problem mit jemand zu reden ueber sieben-bit ASCII auf deutsch (ausserhalb mein schlect deutsch, natuerlich) > P.S.: Don't take it personal, I must admit I'm not in a good mood today. Oh, but I do take it personally when someone who plainly knows less about the issues than I do starts to criticise me! -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 21:24:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23598 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:24:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA23091 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:24:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023087; Wed, 30 Sep 98 21:24:27 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:18449 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3199-13565> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:22:36 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154079-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:21:57 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:1876 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <153883-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:19:55 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23037; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:45 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23360; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for nico@CAM.ORG; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930210646.Y345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:06:46 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Nicolas Pitre , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <19980930192407.W345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas Pitre on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:29:00PM -0400 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by relay.ch.genedata.com id VAA23598 Status: RO Content-Length: 2930 Lines: 59 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:29:00PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > > I think you can see what my software does to them. It looks most > > unpleasant and isn't even remotely necessary since you can use the > > ordinary quotes `,' or ". SMTP is specified for 7 bit messages only. > > This kind of message makes me mad when I see it. You should be aware that > there isn't only English in the world even if Americans were part of the > first computer designs and didn't bother about other characters than the > plain dumb ASCII. SMTP and NNTP are 8 bits now and since I actually can > see those quotes right even from the above wich is a reply from your > mailer I must conclude that your mailer and the SMTP gateways on the path > from it to the mailing list handle high ASCII just fine. These characters > are displayed correctly within Winblows and Linux too, even in text mode > which is what I use. Thank you for gratuitously snipping the part of my message where I specifically mention UTF-8. If you don't even know what that is, who the hell do you think you are criticising me for not being considerate enough for languages apart from English? You're the arrogant one for not considering languages outside of this little corner of Europe. For those who don't know, UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode invented at Bell Labs which has many nice properties. It supports up to 2^32 characters as specified and there's space to specify more. The main point is that ASCII is compatible with UTF-8 (the mapping from ASCII to UTF-8 is the identity mapping) and using one's own local extensions to it is NOT. My mailer seems to cope with them fine (as it should - there's no reason to gratuitously break) whereas my _editor_ displays them in a very nasty way. > So please, don't complain to others if your display is broken but fix it > instead. And please don't be another advocate of those narrow-minded > 7-bits-only designs... > > «Le français possède des accents, il faut les respecter.» To me in this editor, it looks like: > \xabLe fran\xe7ais poss\xe8de des accents, il faut les respecter.\xbb Since I'm not a french speaker, I don't know what the typographic conventions are for the cedilla. Aber ich habe kein problem mit jemand zu reden ueber sieben-bit ASCII auf deutsch (ausserhalb mein schlect deutsch, natuerlich) > P.S.: Don't take it personal, I must admit I'm not in a good mood today. Oh, but I do take it personally when someone who plainly knows less about the issues than I do starts to criticise me! -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From elw@wc-rt.tntech.edu Wed Sep 30 21:33:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23758 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:33:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA23108 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:33:07 +0200 Received: from wc-rt.tntech.edu(149.149.11.235) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023106; Wed, 30 Sep 98 21:32:38 +0200 Received: from wc-rt.tntech.edu (wc-rt.tntech.edu [149.149.11.235]) by wc-rt.tntech.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA32671; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:43:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:43:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Elijah L. Wright" Reply-To: Elijah Wright To: Matthew Wilcox cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: <19980930210646.Y345@genedata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 1466 Lines: 31 you know, i personally don't have time to deal with this kind of crap. if the mailer or the editor you're using simply can't deal with the kind of characters that are being used, perhaps you need to get a new piece of software. pine/linux in latin-1 mode handles all of what's been posted just jolly. if you're going to have a charset-snob flamewar, at least stop cc'ing lists. UTF-8 is fine. so are a lot of other charsets. don't be a bigot. i bet people are unsubscribing because of things like this. don't waste everyone's time with your petty argument. -elijah wright > Thank you for gratuitously snipping the part of my message where I > specifically mention UTF-8. If you don't even know what that is, who > the hell do you think you are criticising me for not being considerate > enough for languages apart from English? You're the arrogant one for > not considering languages outside of this little corner of Europe. > For those who don't know, UTF-8 is an encoding of Unicode invented at Bell > Labs which has many nice properties. It supports up to 2^32 characters as > specified and there's space to specify more. The main point is that > ASCII is compatible with UTF-8 (the mapping from ASCII to UTF-8 is the > identity mapping) and using one's own local extensions to it is NOT. > My mailer seems to cope with them fine (as it should - there's no reason > to gratuitously break) whereas my _editor_ displays them in a very nasty > way. From Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com Wed Sep 30 21:58:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24049; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930215811.Z345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:11 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Elijah Wright , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <19980930210646.Y345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Elijah L. Wright on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:43:54PM -0500 Status: RO Content-Length: 1761 Lines: 38 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:43:54PM -0500, Elijah L. Wright wrote: > > you know, i personally don't have time to deal with this kind of crap. Fine. hit the `delete' button. move on. i do that for threads that I'm not interested in. i don't feel obliged to read everything that ends up in my mailbox. > if the mailer or the editor you're using simply can't deal with the kind > of characters that are being used, perhaps you need to get a new piece of > software. pine/linux in latin-1 mode handles all of what's been posted > just jolly. my mailer handles it fine. the question was whether it was defined. it is frequently a bad idea to assume that the rest of the world speaks iso 8859/1 because frankly, it doesn't. it's all about how important it is to you to get your message across. therefore i don't use top bit set characters. character 148 & character 149 are much nicer looking quotes, but i don't use them because it's not necessary to convey the point of the message. > if you're going to have a charset-snob flamewar, at least stop cc'ing > lists. UTF-8 is fine. so are a lot of other charsets. don't be a bigot. i can tell you didn't read my earlier post. i wasn't the one being bigoted. i was the one pointing out that the `everything should cope with 8 bit so i can use my national character set' argument is flawed. > i bet people are unsubscribing because of things like this. don't waste > everyone's time with your petty argument. then good riddance to them. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 22:22:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24521 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA23212 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:22:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023210; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:21:56 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3691-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:18:34 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154092-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:24:19 -0400 Received: from mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com ([157.161.173.16]:2253 "EHLO mail.core.genedata.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154144-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:11:15 -0400 Received: from relay.ch.genedata.com (pinatubo.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.32]) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23151; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:10 +0200 Received: from mencheca.ch.genedata.com (root@mencheca.ch.genedata.com [157.161.173.204]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24049; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by genedata.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for Matthew.Wilcox@genedata.com; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980930215811.Z345@genedata.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:11 +0200 From: Matthew Wilcox To: Elijah Wright , Matthew Wilcox Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. References: <19980930210646.Y345@genedata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Elijah L. Wright on Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:43:54PM -0500 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1836 Lines: 39 On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 at 02:43:54PM -0500, Elijah L. Wright wrote: > > you know, i personally don't have time to deal with this kind of crap. Fine. hit the `delete' button. move on. i do that for threads that I'm not interested in. i don't feel obliged to read everything that ends up in my mailbox. > if the mailer or the editor you're using simply can't deal with the kind > of characters that are being used, perhaps you need to get a new piece of > software. pine/linux in latin-1 mode handles all of what's been posted > just jolly. my mailer handles it fine. the question was whether it was defined. it is frequently a bad idea to assume that the rest of the world speaks iso 8859/1 because frankly, it doesn't. it's all about how important it is to you to get your message across. therefore i don't use top bit set characters. character 148 & character 149 are much nicer looking quotes, but i don't use them because it's not necessary to convey the point of the message. > if you're going to have a charset-snob flamewar, at least stop cc'ing > lists. UTF-8 is fine. so are a lot of other charsets. don't be a bigot. i can tell you didn't read my earlier post. i wasn't the one being bigoted. i was the one pointing out that the `everything should cope with 8 bit so i can use my national character set' argument is flawed. > i bet people are unsubscribing because of things like this. don't waste > everyone's time with your petty argument. then good riddance to them. -- Matthew Wilcox "I decry the current tendency to seek patents on algorithms. There are better ways to earn a living than to prevent other people from making use of one's contributions to computer science." -- Donald E. Knuth, TAoCP vol 3 unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 22:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24718 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA23249 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:37:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023238; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:36:51 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10359-13565>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:35:37 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154155-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:40:51 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net ([195.34.192.14]:2742 "EHLO mail.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154171-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:31:53 -0400 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:18:59 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.101] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:18:58 0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:03:39 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Binary Archive && AfterStep Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Cc: clark-tj@ee.uwa.edu.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1376 Lines: 34 In message Tom Clarkson wrote: > Does anyone know of an archive of binaries for ArmLinux users? I started one on my website (see sig), but I only ever got round to putting one up - GXEdit, which is currently corrupted. I'll try uploading it again when I send this e-mail. If anyone has any useful binaries and fancies putting them together with a short readme, I'm happy to put them up on my website. > I have been trying to install Afterstep from the RPM and from source code, > and having trouble, and it occured to me that is anyone had already posted > the binary on an archive then I was wasting my time. What is afterstep? (excuse my ignorance if it's famous) - if you e-mail me the URL, I'll have a go at compiling it - I can't guarantee I'll be able to, tho'. > If there is something like this already, then I'd love to know about it, > and if there isn't then it is something that might be worth setting up! I'm currently in discussion with Jonathan Balls about setting one up - we'll let you know if anything comes of this. Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 22:53:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA24999 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:53:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA23284 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:53:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023282; Wed, 30 Sep 98 22:53:27 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <10853-25671>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:50:17 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154106-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:55:16 -0400 Received: from mail2.thefree.net ([195.34.192.5]:2939 "HELO mail2.thefree.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154195-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:47:35 -0400 Received: from mail.thefree.net [195.34.192.14] by mail2.thefree.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.06) id A7C21C2A01FE; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:34:26 +00d0 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:33:33 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from loopback [195.34.197.101] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:33:33 0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:32:58 +0100 From: Chris Sawer To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Binary Archive && AfterStep Message-ID: <1cedb8d48%root@usa.net> Reply-To: chris.sawer@usa.net X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 494 Lines: 16 I wrote: > I started one on my website (see sig), but I only ever got round to putting > one up - GXEdit, which is currently corrupted. I'll try uploading it again > when I send this e-mail. Now done - edit to your heart's content (in X). Chris -- Chris Sawer - Worthing, Sussex, England http://members.xoom.com/chrissawer/ E-Mail: chris.sawer@usa.net, ICQ: 15010147 PGP public key available on request unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 23:12:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25336 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:12:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA23316 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:12:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023314; Wed, 30 Sep 98 23:11:45 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <4072-24923>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:05:54 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154167-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:13:57 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2603 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154171-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zOT8e-0008A4-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:46:20 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:37:44 BST." <199809292237.XAA01265@raistlin.armlinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:46:19 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1204 Lines: 27 >Ok, after setting the PCI Latency timers to something sensible (32), I'm still >getting around 1.4MB/s. There is the little matter of one of Phil's comments >lying around in the sources: > > /* Nobody could say these are optimal, but not to worry. */ > >Hmm, maybe I ought to optimise them then... Having looked at the code again, although there certainly is some scope for improvement I don't think this is likely to be the direct cause of your problem. My guess would be that the (presumably uncached) external I/O access will dominate the time taken for the transfer. For routines like insw it really is important that those accesses happen 16 bits at a time so you can't use multiple-register load instructions either. >From your hdparm settings it looks like you don't have 32-bit I/O enabled -- that would probably be quite a win as it will halve the number of these slow bus transactions. That also has the advantage that you get to use the (apparently better optimised) insl rather than the slow insw. You might also try turning on multiple-sector mode which also seems to be currently off. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 23:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25205 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA23298 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:04:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023296; Wed, 30 Sep 98 23:03:42 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:17672 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <3441-24923>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:01:11 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154117-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:09:15 -0400 Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]:56471 "EHLO post.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154250-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:07:36 -0400 Received: from [194.222.210.232] (helo=tardis.home.dave) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOTGa-00074c-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:54:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:53:57 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Gilbert X-Sender: gilbertd@tardis.home.dave To: Philip Blundell cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1462 Lines: 31 On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Philip Blundell wrote: > >However does "slower than must be on StrongARM RiscPCs" apply? > > To a limited extent. But the binaries you get for the Intel port, for > example, aren't going to be optimal for every single CPU out there -- the deal > has always been that if you're all that bothered (most people aren't) you have > the source, you can compile your own binaries. I think the same thing applies > here. I agree with this; I don't think the short loads make much odds for most purposes; by all means teach the compiler to optimise for performance on StrongARM by knowing about the cache/instruction latencies and anything like that; but dont cause incompatibility where it is not essential. If you MUST cause incompatibility then I suggest that you modify 'init' so that it will start on both machines and then will display: 'YOU ARE RUNNING THE WRONG BINARY VERSION FOR THIS ARCHITECTURE' or something similar - the last thing I want is 75% of the messages being 'I've just installed Debian/ARM on my ARM600 RiscPC and some things randomly crash....' Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- / Dr. David Alan Gilbert | Running Linux on Alpha(LX) | Happy \ \ gro.gilbert @ treblig.org | & ARM(EBSA285,old Arc) | In Hex / \____________________________|___ http://www.treblig.demon.co.uk __/ unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Wed Sep 30 23:48:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25790 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:48:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA23359 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:48:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023357; Wed, 30 Sep 98 23:47:53 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:1860 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <5205-24923>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:42:59 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <153860-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:42:01 -0400 Received: from tazenda.demon.co.uk ([158.152.220.239]:2621 "HELO kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org" ident: "exim") by vger.rutgers.edu with SMTP id <154112-4055>; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:23:14 -0400 Received: from kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org [127.0.0.1] (phil) by kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zOTLT-0008Cr-00; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:59:35 +0100 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Dave Gilbert cc: Eduard Pfarr , Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:53:57 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:59:34 +0100 From: Philip Blundell Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 20 >I agree with this; I don't think the short loads make much odds for most >purposes; by all means teach the compiler to optimise for performance on >StrongARM by knowing about the cache/instruction latencies and anything >like that; but dont cause incompatibility where it is not essential. FWIW, I think the theory is that "-march=armv3 -mtune=strongarm110" will do this, though I've never tried it. >or something similar - the last thing I want is 75% of the messages being >'I've just installed Debian/ARM on my ARM600 RiscPC and some things >randomly crash....' To be fair, you'd have to be pretty determined to do that -- one assumes that the "arm" distribution (ie the one for netwinders, EBSA's and so on) wouldn't ship with a kernel that ran on the RiscPC. p. unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu From owner-linux-arm-outgoing@vger.rutgers.edu Thu Oct 1 22:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.core.genedata.com (mentolat-e0.core.genedata.com [157.161.173.16]) by relay.ch.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA17772 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:23:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mail.core.genedata.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA26169 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:23:44 +0200 Received: from listserv.funet.fi(128.214.248.27) by mentolat.core.genedata.com via smap (V2.0) id xma026167; Thu, 1 Oct 98 22:23:17 +0200 Received: from vger.rutgers.edu ([128.6.190.2]:47404 "EHLO vger.rutgers.edu" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by listserv.funet.fi with ESMTP id <6546-24079>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:19:50 +0300 Received: by vger.rutgers.edu id <154154-7446>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:02 -0400 Received: from snowcrash.cymru.net ([163.164.160.3]:1199 "EHLO snowcrash.cymru.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by vger.rutgers.edu with ESMTP id <154592-7446>; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:50:40 -0400 Received: from caramon.armlinux.org (galatea-34.cableol.net [194.168.16.34]) by snowcrash.cymru.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA19890; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:11:03 +0100 Received: from raistlin.armlinux.org (raistlin [192.168.0.3]) by caramon.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03937; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:53:38 +0100 From: Russell King - ARM Linux Admin Received: (from linux@localhost) by raistlin.armlinux.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00656; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199809302156.WAA00656@raistlin.armlinux.org> Subject: Re: Debian ports for RiscPC, ARM710, etc. To: EduardPfarr@swol.de (Eduard Pfarr) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <95e6c68d48%root@swol.de> from "Eduard Pfarr" at Sep 30, 98 06:44:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;Linux-Arm@vger.rutgers.edu Sender: owner-linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu Precedence: bulk X-Loop: majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1574 Lines: 28 Eduard Pfarr writes: > > Please stop using the above highlighted characters; they're high ASCII, > > and really should not be used in emails. > > Unusual - 3/4 of the European countries need »high ASCII« chars in their > mother language and people from there use these characters in e-mails as > well as Usenet articles. I've done this successfully for many years now, > too, and it works fine on Windoze and RISC OS. If it's a problem here I > will have to do something about it. Indeed - your mails are correctly mime-encapsulated, so there should be no problem transporting the mail across the internet (indeed, this mail made it to me with no conversion from 8-bit, whereas others get autoconverted along their route and back again). I think what Matthew is complaining about are the weird characters that appear as a result. However, it will cause a problem because most of us unix freeks ;) like to just hit reply, and that normally sends stuff in plain-old 7-bit (since this is what we use). _____ |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+- | | Russell King linux@arm.uk.linux.org --- --- | | | | http://www.arm.uk.linux.org/~rmk/armlinux.html / / | | +-+-+ --- -+- / | THE developer of ARM Linux |+| /|\ / | | | --- | +-+-+ ------------------------------------------------- /\\\ | unsubscribe: body of `unsubscribe linux-arm' to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu