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I get very confused trying to get started. I have several different X86
machines
and several different linux distributions and several different versions
of gcc
or egcs or whatever and all I really want to know is:  Where is everyone
else
launching from these days and what is the best way to build myself a
cross
compiler for an arm system (I realize there are several different chips
and
such).  I found Intel's site which said to get binutils-1.0.9 something
and
build  it on Red Hat 5.2 but there is no binutils at the place such a
thing is
supposed to be found.  So I can't use the cook book stuff from the Intel

site.  So where would I get the basic ingredients for this pizza?  It
seems
that binutils is now 2.x and the compiler is newer and the whole thing
is
jumping around all over.  I have built gcc and g++ and such before and I

build kernels all the time,  but I am not a CS grad , or a an
architecture
guru.  Will it be possible to locate the basic pieces that actually work
and
play well together?  It would seem that I would need these things before

I can build a kernel and such that will run on this arm thing.  That is
the
objective:  To run a linux system as the primary os on an ARM system,
probably a StrongArm rig if that helps any.

I see that I can say ./configure --cross arm to build a "arm" cross
compiler
in gcc 2.7.2.3 which is the gcc I happen to have the source for right
now.
Should I start there or get some other version?


--

Mike Coburn

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Mike Coburn wrote:
> 
> I get very confused trying to get started. I have several different X86
> machines
> and several different linux distributions

MontaVista Software is creating a CDK for various StrongARM boards.
You can find the compilers, libraries, and a kernel on

	ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/wip/arm_sa110/RPMS

This will be maturing over the next few weeks as more applications
are added, documentation is written, and board configurations are
created.

The current tools are hosted on Linux/x86 RedHat 6.2, and PowerPC
Linux Yellowdog 1.2.


	-- Dan

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Have a look at the site below. It has instruction on how to build
a cross compiler.

http://www.bluewaternz.com/startoff/armlinux.htm



On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, Mike Coburn wrote:

> I get very confused trying to get started. I have several different X86
> machines
> and several different linux distributions and several different versions
> of gcc
> or egcs or whatever and all I really want to know is:  Where is everyone
> else
> launching from these days and what is the best way to build myself a
> cross
> compiler for an arm system (I realize there are several different chips
> and
> such).  I found Intel's site which said to get binutils-1.0.9 something
> and
> build  it on Red Hat 5.2 but there is no binutils at the place such a
> thing is
> supposed to be found.  So I can't use the cook book stuff from the Intel
> 
> site.  So where would I get the basic ingredients for this pizza?  It
> seems
> that binutils is now 2.x and the compiler is newer and the whole thing
> is
> jumping around all over.  I have built gcc and g++ and such before and I
> 
> build kernels all the time,  but I am not a CS grad , or a an
> architecture
> guru.  Will it be possible to locate the basic pieces that actually work
> and
> play well together?  It would seem that I would need these things before
> 
> I can build a kernel and such that will run on this arm thing.  That is
> the
> objective:  To run a linux system as the primary os on an ARM system,
> probably a StrongArm rig if that helps any.
> 
> I see that I can say ./configure --cross arm to build a "arm" cross
> compiler
> in gcc 2.7.2.3 which is the gcc I happen to have the source for right
> now.
> Should I start there or get some other version?
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Mike Coburn
> 
> "These are _MY_ opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
> 
> 
> 
> 
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"Sun, Lei" wrote:

> I was trying to port linux to strong arm  SA-1110 development board. I use
> linux kernel 2.2.2 , I have successfuly( at least I think it is, since I
> didn't see error when I build the file)built the bin utility, arm-linux
> compiler, glibc, and kernel image.
>    The Problem is that after I downloaded the image into my target using
> nico's angel boot utility ( the downloading process seems fine also) and
> start minicom, I can't see any message on teh screen. seems like either the
> linux didn't run in my target or the serial port is not configured properly.
>    My question is how I should find the problem and fix that?  I don't even
> know what's going on in the target since I can't see and info on minicom
> screen.
>    Thank you very much!!
>
> Regards
>
> lei sun


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	Hi,

	I am not sure if this is the right forum for this question. But ...

	I have the IXP1200 arm linux kernel working in big endian mode with 
	statically linked binaries. Most utilities bash, busybox etc
	seem to work fine. I have the following problems though.

	a) Dynamically linked executables crash with a memory violation
	   in ld-linux-so.2. I narrowed it down to the point where I know
	   it crashes in _dl_start() when it tries to access the variable
	   at _DYNAMIC, which for some reason does not seem to be getting
	   relocated. 

	b) Floating point does not seem to work. 10.0 + 10.0 seems to return
	   0.0. I found an endianess bug where the kernel calls nwfpe and
	   fixed that. But it did not seem to help.

	c) tinylogin has a problem because the glibc function getpwnam()
does
	   not work correctly for some reason and always returns NULL. I
will
	   debug it more. I looked at all the sysdep files for asm and only 
	   strlen.S was broken and I fixed that. But I will dig deeper.
	
	Any hints would be very greatly appreciated.

	Thanks

	Uday
      


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Hi I've been looking around for a solide development environement and so far
their is not a lot of choises available. If you are familiar with hard hat can
you elaborate on it's features and maybe do a little sales pitch...

Thanks

Hugues Belanger
Dan Malek wrote:

> Mike Coburn wrote:
> >
> > I get very confused trying to get started. I have several different X86
> > machines
> > and several different linux distributions
>
> MontaVista Software is creating a CDK for various StrongARM boards.
> You can find the compilers, libraries, and a kernel on
>
>         ftp://ftp.mvista.com/pub/CDK/wip/arm_sa110/RPMS
>
> This will be maturing over the next few weeks as more applications
> are added, documentation is written, and board configurations are
> created.
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> The current tools are hosted on Linux/x86 RedHat 6.2, and PowerPC
> Linux Yellowdog 1.2.
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Hello all,

I've been working on a test board with Cirrus logic (cl ps 7500fe)
processor having minimum peripheral chips( 8 mb ram,boot flash super io
chip and a cpld).Boot flash is loaded with angel boot image with com1
communication is enabled.When I try to open sdt tool( debugger) from my
host pc the board remains silent.Only When I press reset,It(the host)reads
some bytes from the test board.No writting operation is going on.That too
it reads Half the way and then hangs.

Is there anyone who has experienced similar kind of problem?

What could've went wrong?

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Hi,

from porting Quake to the RiscPC I have some quite fast single precision floating
point routines, they reach between 3 and 5 MFlops on a SA RiscPC. I thought that
it would be a nice option to have them available as in Linux.

I recognized that there are two options, one is the FP emulator, and another one
is the softfloat library for GCC. Which of these is used in our days? And what is a good starting point for this work?

Peter Teichmann

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> found Intel's site which said to get binutils-1.0.9 something

Get binutils 2.10 from ftp.gnu.org or your favourite mirror.

>I see that I can say ./configure --cross arm to build a "arm" cross
>compiler
>in gcc 2.7.2.3 which is the gcc I happen to have the source for right
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>Should I start there or get some other version?

You probably want gcc 2.95.2 plus the patch from 
ftp.netwinder.org:/users/p/philb.

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Hello,

My name is Charlie Flynn and I have just completed V1.0 of a  touch
screen driver  for the Compaq iPAQ H3600 running Linux 2.4.0-test1.

I was thinking it would be a good idea if we had a generic interface to
the touch screen drivers of all Linux SA11x0  platforms.

This would allow clients ( such as the X windows device dependent layer
) to work, without modification, with all Linux SA11x0 touch screen
drivers.

I know it's a bit late to ask this ;-) but is there already a document
describing a generic TSD interface for these platforms?

Assuming there isn't such a document and also assuming people think it's
worth pursuing I can start the ball rolling by posting a draft spec to
the linux-arm-kernel mailing list which I assume would be the most
appropriate place to discuss this issue.

Regards
--Charlie


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nico,
   we seems to have fix UDA1341 driver.now itcan play 44.1k to 8k sound
without noise,if you didnt fix it yet,i will mail it to you.
   is there anybody working on power management for Assabet?if not,
could you give me some advice how to implement one?
regards
/dai


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Charlie Flynn writes:
> I was thinking it would be a good idea if we had a generic interface to
> the touch screen drivers of all Linux SA11x0  platforms.

Indeed, or all Linux platforms if possible.  You might try to
find out about the following device, listed in
linux/Documentation/devices.txt:

 10 char        Non-serial mice, misc features
                 11 = /dev/vrtpanel     Vr41xx embedded touch panel

> I know it's a bit late to ask this ;-) but is there already a document
> describing a generic TSD interface for these platforms?

Yes, there is a driver for the touchscreen on the assabet/graphicsclient,
but it is written to be specific to the hardware on those machines.
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dai writes:
>    is there anybody working on power management for Assabet?  if not,
> could you give me some advice how to implement one?

Don't know if we've got proper power management yet, but I've added the
"bare essentials" to the latest 2.4.0 ARM kernel.

I have noticed that there may be a power management scheme in existance
(to do with the mcp stuff?) already which does not use the 2.4.0 power
management stuff.  This appears to be incomplete in Nicos kernel.

I'd like to persuade people to use the existing powermanagement APIs in
the kernel, rather than re-inventing the square wheel.
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Hi,

I've added basic dma support for the SA-1100, mostly to support the
internal USB function controller.  Does anyone want this?  Is there
a BK tree somewhere to add things to?

Also, are the GPIO defines in arch-sa1000/SA-1111.h correct?  They look
wrong to me.  Specifically, shouldn't

	#define _PA_DDR		_SA1111( 0x1000 )
	...

be

	#define _PA_DDR		_SA1111( 0x0e00 )
	...

?  All the other defines match up with my docs correct, but the GPIO
one maps to A12:9=8 and my docs say it should A12:9=7 (or 0x0e00). 

-brad


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On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Brad Parker wrote:
> 	#define _PA_DDR		_SA1111( 0x1000 )
...
> 
> ?  All the other defines match up with my docs correct, but the GPIO
> one maps to A12:9=8 and my docs say it should A12:9=7 (or 0x0e00). 

These came from section 10.3.6 ("Memory Map") of the SA-1111 developer's
manual; this section doesn't seem to have been modified in the manual
update. Since the block A GPIO drives the MAX1600 on Neponset, and that
actually appears to work with the current definitions, I've felt
comfortable believing that these macros were correct (at least in the
patch I submitted to Nicolas; I haven't looked at the last few -np
releases).

Which part of the documentation seems in conflict?

-jd


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John G Dorsey wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Brad Parker wrote:
>> 	#define _PA_DDR		_SA1111( 0x1000 )
>...
>> 
>> ?  All the other defines match up with my docs correct, but the GPIO
>> one maps to A12:9=8 and my docs say it should A12:9=7 (or 0x0e00). 
>
>These came from section 10.3.6 ("Memory Map") of the SA-1111 developer's
>manual; this section doesn't seem to have been modified in the manual
>update. Since the block A GPIO drives the MAX1600 on Neponset, and that
>actually appears to work with the current definitions, I've felt
>comfortable believing that these macros were correct (at least in the
>patch I submitted to Nicolas; I haven't looked at the last few -np
>releases).
>
>Which part of the documentation seems in conflict?

Well, looking back at the docs now I'm totally confused.

Yes, you are correct, 10.3.6 does say it should be at 0x1000.

However, The SA-1111 developer's manual, pg 3-4 shows the GPIO at
0x1000-0x11ff (it also shows the OHCI controller at 0x400, which is
what I really wanted)

Page 4-2, however ("RAB Target Blocks/Address Assignment") shows a table
where "Address A<12:9>" is 2 for the USB (this makes 0x400, which seems right)
and 7 for the GPIO (which makes 0x0e00, *not* 0x1000).  Further, it shows
8 (which makes 0x1000) as "reserved".

In the "Specification Update October 1999", page 21, Figure 4-1 is
updated and matches the "RAB Target Blocks/Address Assignment" table...

I'll go with 10.3.6 :-)  

-brad

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Hi Peter,

I would start with the emulator.  I'd wait and see what shakes out in soft-float
in the next release of gcc.  I'm afraid you would do all the work in libfloat,
only to find the ARM switched to use floating point routines compiled into
libgcc.a.

Scott

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> 
> from porting Quake to the RiscPC I have some quite fast single precision floating
> point routines, they reach between 3 and 5 MFlops on a SA RiscPC. I thought that
> it would be a nice option to have them available as in Linux.
> 
> I recognized that there are two options, one is the FP emulator, and another one
> is the softfloat library for GCC. Which of these is used in our days? And what is a good starting point for this work?
> 
> Peter Teichmann
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All;

I upgraded to 2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3 from 2.3.35.
I had some problems. Some are fixed but some are not.
I use ADS graphics client.

1.	after booting, I execute "df" command. It displays 
	Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
			none                      5947      4886       754
87% /
			pipe:: No such file or directory
			none                      5947      4886       754
87% /
			none                      5947      4886       754
87% /
			/dev/root                 5947      4886       754
87% /
2.	I can not use flash file system. Errors are follows
		EXT2-fs error (device flash(60,2)): ext2_new_block:
Allocating block in system zone - block = 8384
		Flash driver: programming voltage error!
		end_request: I/O error, dev 3c:02 (flash), sector 2

3.	Ethernet seems not to work. It displays wrong MAC address.

Thanks in advance.
Woojung Huh



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 On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:49:08 +0100 (BST), Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote:
> dai writes:
>>    is there anybody working on power management for Assabet?  if not,
>> could you give me some advice how to implement one?
> 
> Don't know if we've got proper power management yet, but I've added the
> "bare essentials" to the latest 2.4.0 ARM kernel.

Yup, I noticed, thanks.

> I have noticed that there may be a power management scheme in existance
> (to do with the mcp stuff?) already which does not use the 2.4.0 power
> management stuff.  This appears to be incomplete in Nicos kernel.

The power management in the MCP audio is still from the old Itsy driver. I
just ported the driver to linux-2.3.xx but didn't remove the cruft.

> I'd like to persuade people to use the existing powermanagement APIs in
> the kernel, rather than re-inventing the square wheel.

That's actually my plan, too. Being compatible with the standard tools is
a nice thing.


Erik

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Huh, Woojung writes:
> 1. after booting, I execute "df" command. It displays 
> 	Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
> 	none                      5947      4886       754  87% /
> 	pipe:: No such file or directory
> 	none                      5947      4886       754  87% /
> 	none                      5947      4886       754  87% /
> 	/dev/root                 5947      4886       754  87% /

This is not a bug - the kernel now mounts certain filesystems internally,
which means that /proc/mounts will contain this information.  If your
/etc/mtab is symlinked to this "virtual" file, then this is the output
I'd expect.
   _____
  |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+-
  |   |        Russell King       linux@arm.linux.org.uk      --- ---
  | | | |            http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/            /  /  |
  | +-+-+                                                     --- -+-
  /   |               THE developer of ARM Linux              |+| /|\
 /  | | |                                                     ---  |
    +-+-+ -------------------------------------------------  /\\\  |

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All,

    I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful help
files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build binutils-2.9.5
and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build glibc-2.1
or newlib-1.8.2.

    Configuring newlib fail's 'cos it cannot compile/link a test image.
(I'm assuming arm-linux as the build variant).   It fails with unsupported
emulations.  I'm guessing that the kernel builds 'cos it uses steering files
for this stuff.

    Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
as it builds it later on.

    So, help!        Dave

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    ARM Limited
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    Moorbridge Road,
    Maidenhead, SL6 8LT

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For our cross tools, we are currently using gcc-2.95.2 (with some back
patches + my softfloat patch), glibc-2.1.3 and the latest binutils.

If you would like a snap-shot let me know.. (I have them on my personal
server, otherwise I'd post the URL for them.  If there is enough demand,
I may see about getting the current tool chain up on the MontaVista ftp
site.)

--Mark

David Rusling wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
>     I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful help
> files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build binutils-2.9.5
> and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build glibc-2.1
> or newlib-1.8.2.
> 
>     Configuring newlib fail's 'cos it cannot compile/link a test image.
> (I'm assuming arm-linux as the build variant).   It fails with unsupported
> emulations.  I'm guessing that the kernel builds 'cos it uses steering files
> for this stuff.
> 
>     Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
> is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
> as it builds it later on.
> 
>     So, help!        Dave
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> David A Rusling   Consulting Engineer
>     ARM Limited
>     Liberty House,
>     Moorbridge Road,
>     Maidenhead, SL6 8LT
> 
>     Tel: UK-(0)1628-427754
>     Fax: UK-(0)1628-780551
>     e-mail: david.rusling@arm.com
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Hi,
	Could someone give me an overview as to how to use compact flash on
the assabet? I've got 32 meg compact flash cards (from viking and kinsgton),
and the socket comm ethernet card. I'm running the 2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1-np4.
(I accepted all defaults after running make assabet_config which included
pcmcia support, and ide and ethernet support). I downloaded the ramdisk from
CMU's website, and by using cardctl, it appears that power is applied to the
card, and it can read the vendor information. However, it doesn't appear
that any driver gets loaded for the compact flash card. I would expect to
see an ide device in /proc/devices, but I don't. How do you go about
mounting a compact flash card? Likewise, what steps are necessary to get the
ethernet working?

Thanks for your help,
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I have a new found respect and admiration for developers now...!

I've been trying to port my favorite firewall/router distribution the the Arm
platform only to find that man I need to know so much before I can get their..!

I've got compaq's tool chain, I've patch and compile the kernel and modules,
I've got all the libs I need (I cheated here a little and objcopy from skiff
ramdrive). now I have to port user space apps ???????????

Were do i start  ?

Thanks

Hugues


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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Rao, Ram R wrote:

> Hi,
> 	Could someone give me an overview as to how to use compact flash on
> the assabet? I've got 32 meg compact flash cards (from viking and kinsgton),
> and the socket comm ethernet card. I'm running the 2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1-np4.

You should consider moving to a more recent patch since PCMCIA wasn't
fully working with older patches.


Nicolas


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On Fri, 07 Jul 2000, Mark Hatle wrote:
> For our cross tools, we are currently using gcc-2.95.2 (with some back
> patches + my softfloat patch), glibc-2.1.3 and the latest binutils.
>
> If you would like a snap-shot let me know.. (I have them on my personal
> server, otherwise I'd post the URL for them.  If there is enough demand,
> I may see about getting the current tool chain up on the MontaVista ftp
> site.)
>

I'll give it a shot but I would like your stuff to compare against.   
As of now I have a set of cross tools that can build Linux and eCOS/GDB.
That means that I can port the kernel and play with the GNU tools, 
next step is be able to cross build (ARM) applications.

Basically, the ARM embedded Linux space is about to explode and 
I see the abilty to cross-develop on Intel Linux the quickest way forwards
for most...

Dave

> --Mark
>
> David Rusling wrote:
> > All,
> >
> >     I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful
> > help files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build
> > binutils-2.9.5 and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build
> > glibc-2.1 or newlib-1.8.2.
> >
> >     Configuring newlib fail's 'cos it cannot compile/link a test image.
> > (I'm assuming arm-linux as the build variant).   It fails with
> > unsupported emulations.  I'm guessing that the kernel builds 'cos it uses
> > steering files for this stuff.
> >
> >     Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
> > is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
> > as it builds it later on.
> >
> >     So, help!        Dave
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > David A Rusling   Consulting Engineer
> >     ARM Limited
> >     Liberty House,
> >     Moorbridge Road,
> >     Maidenhead, SL6 8LT
> >
> >     Tel: UK-(0)1628-427754
> >     Fax: UK-(0)1628-780551
> >     e-mail: david.rusling@arm.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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This should give you a good start.

ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/carleton-winder-rpms

--George

George France,      france@crl.dec.com
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From: Hugues Belanger [mailto:hbelange@cgocable.net]
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Subject: Compiling apps with toolchain


I have a new found respect and admiration for developers now...!

I've been trying to port my favorite firewall/router distribution the the
Arm
platform only to find that man I need to know so much before I can get
their..!

I've got compaq's tool chain, I've patch and compile the kernel and modules,
I've got all the libs I need (I cheated here a little and objcopy from skiff
ramdrive). now I have to port user space apps ???????????

Were do i start  ?

Thanks

Hugues


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>    I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful help
>files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build binutils-2.9.5
>and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build glibc-2.1
>or newlib-1.8.2.

You might like to get binutils 2.10 and gcc "2.95.3" (ie the latest from the 
2.95 branch in CVS).

>    Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
>is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
>as it builds it later on.

What failure are you seeing during the compile?  I used to cross-build glibc 
all the time, though I haven't done it recently.

p.



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Dear All,

Excuse me, i'm rather unfamiliar with the Linux boot procedure.

i wonder  where i can obtain a RAMdisk image for Cirrus Logic EP7212,
how to create a RAMdisk image for the CL-EP7212,


Only i can find a sample of Ramdisk ,  The WWW link in:
http://developer.intel.com/design/strong/applnots/sa1100lx/download.htm#1001
846
however, ftp://ssdl-redstone.stanford.edu/pub/ramdisk.gz
is broken.


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Hello all;

I am having difficulty getting my Brutus to work after it was sent in for
repair and I'm not sure what the problem is yet...

When I use Nico's brutustest kernel+ramdisk+angel on the debugging console
I get some interesting startup messages.

I get:

...
Calibrating delay loop 194.15 BogoMIPS
...
Starting kswapd 1.5
IRQ LOCK: IRQ 12 is locking the system, disabled
Console: Switching to colour framebuffer device 40x30

and then it hangs. I notice that a few pixels on the Tux that appears on
the LCD seem to be "blinking" after the hang.

I poped open the CPU socket and apparently I have a "StrongARM SA-1100B"
Anyone have any idea what speed grade this is? It wasn't listed in the
SA1100 manual that I have.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Vasant.


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From: "Jim Fischer" <jfischer@calpoly.edu>
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Subject: i686->StrongARM gcc/g++ cross compile problems
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I'm in the process of creating an i686 to StrongARM (EBSA-285) cross
compiler for both gcc and g++. I can successfully build the gcc cross
compiler (using the
components listed below) if I manually modify the top-level gcc Makefile by
changing the,

    LANGUAGES="c c++"

option to,

    LANGUAGES="c"

----------
Components:

binutils-2.9.5.0.34-1.src.rpm

gcc-core-2.95.2.tar.gz
gcc-g++-2.95.2.tar.gz
gcc-2.95.2-arm4.patch.gz

kernel-2.2.14-5.0.src.rpm
patch-2.2.14-rmk6.gz

glibc-2.1.3.tar.gz
glibc-crypt-2.1.tar.gz
glibc-linuxthreads-2.1.3.tar.gz


[Note: The ./configure step specifies 'LANGUAGES="c c++"' in the gcc
Makefile whether the g++ sources are installed or not -- i.e., even when
only the gcc-core sources are installed. --end note]

[Note: When I do a gcc-only build, I'm able to build a linux 'zImage' kernel
image using the gcc cross compiler. --end note]

When I add the g++ sources to the mix and leave the LANGUAGES option set to
"c c++" in the top-level Makefile, I get the following error messages at the
(tail end of the) make process:

<---start--->
Running configure in multilib subdirs soft-float
pwd: /usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio
Running configure in multilib subdir soft-float
pwd: /usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu
Appending /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/config/linux.mt to
target-mkfrag
Appending /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/config/mtsafe.mt to
target-mkfrag
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/soft-float/
libio using "target-mkfrag"
Adding multilib support to Makefile in
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio with_multisubdir=soft-float
Configuring tests...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/soft-float/
libio/tests
Configuring dbz...
Linked "rdbz.c" to "/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/dbz/dbz.c".
Linked "rdbzmain.c" to
"/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/dbz/dbzmain.c".
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/soft-float/
libio/dbz
Configuring stdio...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/soft-float/
libio/stdio
Configuring testsuite...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/soft-float/
libio/testsuite
Configuring tests...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio/tests
Configuring dbz...
Linked "rdbz.c" to "/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/dbz/dbz.c".
Linked "rdbzmain.c" to
"/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/dbz/dbzmain.c".
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio/dbz
Configuring stdio...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio/stdio
Configuring testsuite...
Created "Makefile" in
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio/tests
uite
Configuring in arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libiberty
creating cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu
checking host system type... arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu-ar... arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu-ar
checking for arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu-ranlib... arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu-ranlib
checking for gcc...
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtoo
ls/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/ -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/b
in/
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtoo
ls/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/ -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/b
in/ accepts -g... yes
checking for POSIXized ISC... no
checking for a BSD compatible install... /bin/sh
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/install-sh -c
checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp
checking for sys/file.h... yes
checking for sys/param.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for sys/time.h... yes
checking for sys/resource.h... yes
checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... no
checking whether the C compiler
(/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armto
ols/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/ -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/
bin/ -g -O2 ) works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
create executables.
make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/libio'
if [ x"no" = xyes ] && [ ! -d pic ]; then \
mkdir pic; \
else true; fi
touch stamp-picdir
test x"no" != xyes ||\
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtoo
ls/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/ -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/b
in/ -c -g -O2 -I. -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio -D_IO_MTSAFE_IO
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c -o pic/iogetline.o
/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/xgcc -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtoo
ls/work/gcc-stage-1_/gcc/ -B/usr/jdf/fornax/armtools/arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu/b
in/ -c -g -O2 -I. -I/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio -D_IO_MTSAFE_IO
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c
In file included from /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:26:
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/libioP.h:30: errno.h: No such file or
directory
In file included from /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iolibio.h:1,
from /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/libioP.h:47,
from /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:26:
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/libio.h:30: _G_config.h: No such file
or directory
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:27: string.h: No such
file or directory

<---stop--->

[Note: I've tried a number of variations on the 'target' name just to see
what would happen. The code above shows the output when the target name was
set to 'arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu', but target names of 'arm-linux' and
'arm-ebsa285-linux' produce the same set of error messages as shown
above. --end note]

Any ideas as to what's causing these errors ?



Jim



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From: "Jim Fischer" <jfischer@calpoly.edu>
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Subject: glibc make problems (i686 -> StrongARM)
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Using the following components I am able to create an i686 to StrongARM
(EBSA285) cross gcc compiler, and I can use that compiler to create a Linux
'zImage' kernel image:

----------
Components:

binutils-2.9.5.0.34-1.src.rpm

gcc-core-2.95.2.tar.gz
gcc-g++-2.95.2.tar.gz
gcc-2.95.2-arm4.patch.gz

kernel-2.2.14-5.0.src.rpm
patch-2.2.14-rmk6.gz

glibc-2.1.3.tar.gz
glibc-crypt-2.1.tar.gz
glibc-linuxthreads-2.1.3.tar.gz


After I create and install the binutils, the kernel sources, and the gcc
cross-compiler, I install, patch, configure, and make the glibc sources. The
glibc make process runs for about 15 minutes (generating about 10MB worth of
log file entries in the process) before it dies with the following error
messages:

----------
...
arm-linux-gcc -B/armtools/bin/ -shared -Wl,-O1 -o
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so -Wl,-dynamic-linker=/armtools/arm-linux/l
ib/ld-linux.so.2 -B/armtools/work/glibc_/csu/ -Wl,--version-script=/armtools
/work/glibc_/libdb.map -Wl,-soname=libdb.so.3 -L/armtools/work/glibc_ -L/arm
tools/work/glibc_/math -L/armtools/work/glibc_/elf -L/armtools/work/glibc_/n
ss -L/armtools/work/glibc_/nis -L/armtools/work/glibc_/db2 -L/armtools/work/
glibc_/rt -L/armtools/work/glibc_/resolv -L/armtools/work/glibc_/linuxthread
s -Wl,-rpath-link=/armtools/work/glibc_:/armtools/work/glibc_/math:/armtools
/work/glibc_/elf:/armtools/work/glibc_/nss:/armtools/work/glibc_/nis:/armtoo
ls/work/glibc_/db2:/armtools/work/glibc_/rt:/armtools/work/glibc_/resolv:/ar
mtools/work/glibc_/linuxthreads -Wl,--whole-archive
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb_pic.a /armtools/work/glibc_/elf/interp.os
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so -Wl,--no-whole-archive
rm -f /armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3.new
/bin/sh ../scripts/rellns-sh /armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3.new
mv -f /armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3.new
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3
arm-linux-gcc -B/armtools/bin/ -nostdlib -nostartfiles -o
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/makedb -Wl,-dynamic-linker=/armtools/arm-linux/lib
/ld-linux.so.2 /armtools/work/glibc_/csu/crt1.o
/armtools/work/glibc_/csu/crti.o
`arm-linux-gcc -B/armtools/bin/ --print-file-name=crtbegin.o`
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/makedb.o
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3 -Wl,-rpath-link=/armtools/work/glibc_:/
armtools/work/glibc_/math:/armtools/work/glibc_/elf:/armtools/work/glibc_/ns
s:/armtools/work/glibc_/nis:/armtools/work/glibc_/db2:/armtools/work/glibc_/
rt:/armtools/work/glibc_/resolv:/armtools/work/glibc_/linuxthreads
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6 /armtools/work/glibc_/libc_nonshared.a -lgcc
`arm-linux-gcc -B/armtools/bin/ --print-file-name=crtend.o`
/armtools/work/glibc_/csu/crtn.o
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__dup'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getpid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__setsid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__select'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `utime'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `munmap'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__wait4'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_fcntl'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__ftruncate'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__write'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__mprotect'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `getpid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__dup2'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `truncate'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__read'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `setitimer'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__unlink'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `readlink'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `getuid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__open'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getrusage'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__adjtimex'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `select'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getgid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_read'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `lseek'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getpgid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `alarm'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__kill'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `uname'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__personality'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__setitimer'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__chmod'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `setrlimit'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `write'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__setpgid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__gettimeofday'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__sigaltstack'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__statfs'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getrlimit'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__nanosleep'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__chdir'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `read'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__readlink'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__ioctl'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `unlink'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getegid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `fork'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__pipe'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_open'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `getsid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__chown'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `time'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__lseek'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__fchdir'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `fsync'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_lseek'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__rmdir'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__fstatfs'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__close'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__getuid'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__munmap'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__times'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `open'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__libc_write'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__fcntl'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__fork'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__access'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `fcntl'
/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/libdb.so.3: undefined reference to `close'
/armtools/work/glibc_/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `__geteuid'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
arm-linux-gcc: file path prefix `/armtools/bin/' never used
make[2]: *** [/armtools/work/glibc_/db2/makedb] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/glibc-2.1.3/db2'
make[1]: *** [db2/others] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/glibc-2.1.3'
make: *** [all] Error 2

----------

Apparently, the build process is not generating object code for the kernel
interface, and I haven't been able to figure out what's causing this. Any
ideas ?


Jim



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Greetings,

I have some questions about the current stage for UDA1341 sound device
driver for Assabet BD as follows.

1. Does the developed device driver support the sound recording?

2. If yes, are there some programs for testing it and where are they?

Thank you in advance.


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Hi,

I am trying to build a cross compiler with newlib 1.8.2. I have some problems to
configure the linker.

I have successfully build the cross compiler with gcc version 2.96 20000702,
binutils 2.10,
and glibc 2.1.3. 

But for newlib, I have problems. The linker is trying to link with crt1.o,
crti.o, crtn.o and those are for glibc only. For newlib, I have only crt0.o. So
the linker complains while linking a porgram. I don't know how to configure the
linker to link with newlib? Anyone has an idea to solve this?

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sun-Gi Hong wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I have some questions about the current stage for UDA1341 sound device
> driver for Assabet BD as follows.
> 
> 1. Does the developed device driver support the sound recording?

Yes.

> 2. If yes, are there some programs for testing it and where are they?

The simpliest is:

	dd if=/dev/dsp of=/dev/dsp bs=8192

and listen to the result with headphones for best result.


Nicolas


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On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Vasant Ramasubramanian wrote:

> Hello all;
> 
> I am having difficulty getting my Brutus to work after it was sent in for
> repair and I'm not sure what the problem is yet...
> 
> When I use Nico's brutustest kernel+ramdisk+angel on the debugging console
> I get some interesting startup messages.
> 
> I get:
> 
> ...
> Calibrating delay loop 194.15 BogoMIPS
> ...
> Starting kswapd 1.5
> IRQ LOCK: IRQ 12 is locking the system, disabled
> Console: Switching to colour framebuffer device 40x30

IRQ 12 is attached to the SA1100 integrated LCD controller.

Either your CPU is damaged or something on the board is wrong.  Try
replacing your CPU on your Brutus board and ensure the socket is perfectly
clean while you're at it.


Nicolas


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On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 04:48:35PM +0100, David Rusling wrote:
> All,
> 
>     I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful help
> files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build binutils-2.9.5
> and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build glibc-2.1
> or newlib-1.8.2.
> 
>     Configuring newlib fail's 'cos it cannot compile/link a test image.
> (I'm assuming arm-linux as the build variant).   It fails with unsupported
> emulations.  I'm guessing that the kernel builds 'cos it uses steering files
> for this stuff.
> 
>     Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
> is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
> as it builds it later on.
> 
>     So, help!        Dave
> 

Here's a notebook I wrote up as I went through the stuff you're doing.
It's obviously directed at me (plus other people at my site who want
to do this), but it has the advantage of being pretty recent.

Haven't built newlib for ARM, so I can't help there.  I built it for
M32R a while ago, but don't remember what was involved.

miket


Building binutils
-----------------

-- Grab safe binutils source.  The current Debian version, 2.9.5.0.31,
   is claimed to be buggy on one of the ARM mailing lists.  2.9.5.0.14
   is reported to be safe on Chris Rutter's ARM cross-compiler page,
   so I'm going to give that a try.  According to Phil Blundell's page
   and FTP site, the 2.9.5.* series binutils don't require ARM patches
   (unlike 2.9.1.*).

   Here's the official site for binutils:
   ftp://ftp.varesearch.com/pub/support/hjl/binutils/

   Actually, scratch the above version number stuff.  The site contains
   2.9.5.0.37, and I'm going to try that, because going back to a much older
   version looks like it will involve a heinous amount of reverse patching.
   If .37 doesn't work, I guess I'll try .14.

-- Also grab current Debian binutils source, so that I can figure out how to
   package the cross-compiler one I'm building.  Looks like the debian stuff
   is really complicated here (this source package produces four different
   .debs).  I guess it's time I read the Debian packaging manual...

These steps will install the ARM binutils under /usr/local/.  The binaries
will be named arm-linux-*.  Binutils is the easy part of cross-gcc
compilation.

1) Unpack tarball.
2) Make build dir 'binutils-build' parallel to source dir.
3) cd to build dir.
3) Run ../configure --help to see options.
4) Run ../configure --target=arm-linux
5) Typical make + make install.

Building GCC
------------

Following instructions on:
http://inkvine.fluff.org/~chris/arm-tools.html

GCC requires the kernel header files.  I'm going to try against a patched
2.4.0-test1-ac19.  Steps to getting this kernel in the right state for
building gcc:

1) Get 2.4.0-test1-ac19 source (from kernel.org).  Have to download
   2.4.0-test1 and apply the ac19 patch to it.  Get the .sign files
   and check the signatures, too!  This kernel can be found at
   ftp.us.kernel.org in:
	/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.0-test1.tar.gz
	/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.0-test1.tar.gz.sign
   and the -ac19 patch is in:
	/pub/linux/kerner/people/alan/2.4.0test/patch-2.4.0test1-ac19.bz2
	(and corresponding .sign).
   To unpack and apply the patch (somewhere in your home directory):
	$ tar zxvf linux-2.4.0-test1.tar.gz
	$ mv linux linux-2.4.0-test1
	$ cd linux-2.4.0-test1
	$ bzcat ../patch-2.4.0test1-ac19.bz2 | patch -p1 -s -E

2) Get latest RMK (Russell M. King, linux-arm maintainer) patch from 
   ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/source/kernel-patches/v2.4/
   (it's against -ac19, that's why I chose that kernel version) and once
   again patch the kernel:
	$ zcat ../patch-2.4.0-test1-ac19-rmk1.gz | patch -p1 -s -E

3) In the top-level kernel Makefile, replace the line:
	ARCH := $(shell uname ... bunch of stuff ...)
   with
	ARCH := arm

4) Configure the kernel with 'make menuconfig'.  Save the default
   configuration.  I'm hoping this works OK, as we don't need to really
   build the kernel, we just need to get its headers into a state
   acceptable for building GCC.  The closest thing in the Makefiles to
   the 7211 is probably the 7500 (although ARM710A, not 710TDMI), but
   that port is not fully merged and the option is commented out.

5) Run 'make dep' to build the dependency tree.

6) Create links in the arm-linux target include directory:
	$ cd /usr/local/arm-linux
	$ mkdir include; cd include
	$ ln -s your-linux-kernel-directory/include/asm-arm asm
	$ ln -s your-linux-kernel-directory/include/linux linux

7) Download gcc 2.95.2, plus Phil Blundell's add-on patch at:
	ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/users/p/philb/gcc-2.95.2-diff-991022.gz
   and the fold-const.c patch from Chris Rutter's page
	http://inkvine.fluff.org/~chris/arm-tools.html
   Read Chris's page top to bottom, as it has a bunch of information on
   what should be done next.

8) Commentary on Chris Rutter's page
   -- Phil Blundell's 2.95.2 gcc patch doesn't apply cleanly, but I looked
      at the patch, and the changes look reasonable (right direction,
      likely bug fixes, etc).  The top-level stuff (ChangeLog, configure,
      configure.in) will get rejected; the other stuff patches cleanly,
      although I had to supply a path to each file.
   -- The fold-const.c patch looks like it's still needed (it hasn't been
      applied in 2.95.2).
   -- The instructions about changing #if 0 to #if 1 in
      gcc/config/arm/linux-elf.h look to be obsolete; there is no #if 0
      in that file.
   -- I used the -Dinhibit_libc hack described in the page.

9) Configure and build, after the necessary patching.
   Command lines (from directory _above_ gcc-2.95.2):
	$ mkdir gcc-build
	$ cd gcc-build
	$ ../gcc-2.95.2/configure --target=arm-linux --disable-threads
	$ make LANGUAGES="c" cross
   My build failed with an error message in libio, but I looked at the
   binaries and found quite a lot of gcc stuff, so I did an impatient
   'make install' without debugging the problem (looks to be lack of a
   target libc) and was able to compile a standalone boot loader with
   no libc dependencies.

Glibc
-----

1) Download glibc-2.1.3 and the crypt and linuxthreads add-ons.

	$ mkdir glibc-build
	$ cd glibc-build
	$ export CC=arm-linux-gcc
	$ ../glibc-2.1.3/configure arm-linux --build=i586-linux \
		--prefix=/usr/local/arm-linux/ --enable-add-ons
	$ make
	$ make install

Gcc Revisited
-------------

You can now go back and compile the full-on gcc.  First, remove the
-Dinhibit_libc hack from the sources.  Delete your previous build
directory, and:

	$ mkdir gcc-build
	$ cd gcc-build
	$ ../gcc-2.95.2/configure --target=arm-linux
	$ make
	$ make install

Don't forget to unset CC if you set it above.

Stripping Binaries
------------------

You now have an unholy amount of stuff in /usr/local.  I went through
and stripped some shared libraries.  Make sure you use 'strip' for Intel
tools and 'arm-linux-strip' for ARM binaries.  Hopefully, I'll automate
this process soon; if you don't know what you're doing, I recommend
against this step.


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On Sun, Jul 09, 2000 at 05:38:16PM -0700, Jim Fischer wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of creating an i686 to StrongARM (EBSA-285) cross
> compiler for both gcc and g++.

....

>
> [Note: I've tried a number of variations on the 'target' name just
> to see what would happen. The code above shows the output when the
> target name was set to 'arm-ebsa285-linux-gnu', but target names of
> 'arm-linux' and 'arm-ebsa285-linux' produce the same set of error
> messages as shown above. --end note]
>
> Any ideas as to what's causing these errors ?
>

Jim,

See the notes I just (a few minutes ago) posted to the list.  To
build languages other than C, first build C (you might get errors
in libio; 'make install' anyway), then build and install glibc,
then go back and do a full build of gcc.

miket


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Hi,

I attach my first cut of a generic touch screen driver specification as promised
from my earlier email.
This specification is based around my experience with the Compaq iPAQ H3600 touch
screen driver, however I have tried to make it as generic as possible for all
Linux platforms.

If nothing else I hope it will at least start the ball rolling in the quest to
gain consensus on what a generic touch screen driver will eventually look like.

I will also put this spec in html format on the www.handhelds.org web site.

Since there has also been some interest in the handhelds@handhelds.org mailing
list I will post it in both lists for now with a view to maybe moving the
discussion to one (which one?) of the lists.

Regards
--Charlie

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

MAJOR NUMBER
--------------------
(TBD)
A generic Touch Screen major number to be registered according to the procedure
documented in../linux/Documentation/devices.txt.
A major number 10 seems the most likely candidate.

DEVICE NODES and MINOR NUMBERS
----------------------------------------------

/dev/ts    - This is the device used to read calibrated touch screen events

A generic Touch Screen device name (/dev/ts)  and minor number (TBD) to be
registered according to the procedure documented in
../linux/Documentation/devices.txt.

TOUCH SCREEN EVENT STRUCTURE (TS_EVENT)
-----------------------------------------------------------

This is the structure contains the X and Y pixel coordinates of a single touch
screen event. It is passed from the driver to the user by the read() function.

typedef struct {
    short pressure;    /* used to determine if the touch screen pen is UP or
DOWN  (Note 1) */
    short x;                /* If  pen is DOWN then this is the pixel X
coordinate */
    short y;                /* If  pen is DOWN then this is the pixel Y
coordinate  */
    /* any more ? */
} TS_EVENT;


USER LEVEL FILE OPERATIONS
--------------------------------------
In addition to open(), close() and ioctl() functions, blocking and non-blocking
reads and asynchronous notification (SIGIO) should be supported at the user
level. The select/poll mechanism will be used for non-blocking reads.
See the EXAMPLES section for pointers to example code on the above functions.

KERNEL LEVEL FILE OPERATIONS
------------------------------------------

The following file operations pertain to device /dev/ts.

_read()
Blocking reads will block until a complete TS_EVENT structure (see below) can be
returned.

_fasync()
Will send a SIGIO to user when there is an event to report. An event is defined
as reception of a complete TS_EVENT structure.

_poll()
If there are 1 or more TS_EVENT structures to be read from the driver, then this
function will return the (POLLIN | POLLRDNORM) flags otherwise a zero will be
returned.

_ioctl()
The list of ioctls will depend on the hardware used to implement the touch screen
(example UCB1200).
Initialisation ioctls will be called by the driver’s init_module() or equivalent.

The calibration application (if adopted in user space) will have it’s own ioctls
(see CALIBRATION section).

The ioctl command numbers should be ‘mangled’ using the _IO,_IOW,_IOR,_IOWR
macros as defined in  <linux/ioctl.h>
A ‘magic number’ of ‘?’ should be used (see CALIBRATION section)

TOUCH SCREEN EXAMPLE  CODE
------------------------------------------

The following example code can be found in the ../apps/h3600_test directory in
the handhelds.org CVS tree.

ts_poll.c  - example of a non-blocking read using the poll/select mechanism.
ts_read.c  - example of a blocking read.
fasynctst.c - example of how asynchronous notifications are handled in user
space.

The driver which implements most of this specification  is called h3650_ts.c and
can be found in the ../drivers/char directory in the handhelds.org CVS tree.

CALIBRATION
------------------
(This section assumes the calibration mechanism will be an application)

The (H3600) calibration parameters are calculated by a separate calibration
application. It uses the Itsy calibration paradigm. The touch screen sensor is
assumed linear, conforming to the equations of a straight line:

Xcal = mxXraw + Cx
Ycal = myYraw + Cy

Calibration information is held in the TS_CAL structure and is passed to and from
the driver using the TS_GET_CALIBRATE and TS_SET_CALIBRATE ioctls.

#define  TS_SET_CALIBRATE _IOW(IOC_MAGIC,2,TS_CAL);
#define  TS_GET_CALIBRATE _IOW(IOC_MAGIC,3,TS_CAL);

The TS_CAL structure is used to convert RAW touch screen coordinates (Xraw and
Yraw) to calibrated touch screen coordinates (Xcal and Ycal).

typedef struct {
    int xscale;
    int xtrans;
    int yscale;
    int ytrans;
    int xyswap;
} TS_CAL;


The TS_SET_RAW_ON/OFF ioctl pair will switch between raw and calibrated data. The
calibration application will instruct the driver to return only RAW events using
the TS_SET_RAW_ON ioctl and when calibrated the calibration application will
switch the driver back to returning calibrated events using the TS_SET_RAW_OFF
(Note 2)

#define  TS_SET_RAW_ON  _IO(IOC_MAGIC,0);
#define  TS_SET_RAW_OFF  _IO(IOC_MAGIC,1);

TOUCH SCREEN CALIBRATION APPLICATION EXAMPLE  CODE
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

The H3600 calibration application can be found in ../apps/ts_calibrate.c in the
handhelds.org CVS tree. This code is extensively commented and will explain how
the Itsy calibration application works. Note is uses a device called
/dev/h3600_tsraw to get raw data. This device may be superceded by the
TS_SET_RAW_ON/OFF ioctls.

Notes
1. Some systems return pressure as a value between 0 and xxxx which is used to
determine the pen status (UP or DOWN). The Compaq iPAQ H3600 just returns
pressure=0 (UP) or pressure=1 (DOWN). If UP then X and Y coordinates are set to
–1. Should this member variable be called something else?
2. The Compaq H3600 driver does not use this mechanism at present.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Charlie Flynn wrote:

> Hello,
>
> My name is Charlie Flynn and I have just completed V1.0 of a  touch
> screen driver  for the Compaq iPAQ H3600 running Linux 2.4.0-test1.
>
> I was thinking it would be a good idea if we had a generic interface to
> the touch screen drivers of all Linux SA11x0  platforms.
>
> This would allow clients ( such as the X windows device dependent layer
> ) to work, without modification, with all Linux SA11x0 touch screen
> drivers.
>
> I know it's a bit late to ask this ;-) but is there already a document
> describing a generic TSD interface for these platforms?
>
> Assuming there isn't such a document and also assuming people think it's
> worth pursuing I can start the ball rolling by posting a draft spec to
> the linux-arm-kernel mailing list which I assume would be the most
> appropriate place to discuss this issue.
>
> Regards
> --Charlie
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Mike,

    thank you very much.   I think that what I was doing was not building
the correct version of glibc, I had glibc-2.1, not 2.1.3.  After a bit of
fiddling I can now build static applications for my ARM Linux box.
This is with gcc 2.95.2 but I think that gcc 2.95.1 would also work.

    I build all my stuff for /usr/local/gnu so I ended up having to
create a link from /usr/local/gnu/lib to /usr/local/gnu/arm-linux/lib
(I also have arm-elf for the eCOS work that I've been doing).

    All I have to do now is to figure out how to 'install' the shared
libraries onto my pocket Linux system...

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David Rusling wrote:
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> Mike,
> 
>     thank you very much.   I think that what I was doing was not building
> the correct version of glibc, I had glibc-2.1, not 2.1.3.  After a bit of
> fiddling I can now build static applications for my ARM Linux box.
> This is with gcc 2.95.2 but I think that gcc 2.95.1 would also work.
> 
>     I build all my stuff for /usr/local/gnu so I ended up having to
> create a link from /usr/local/gnu/lib to /usr/local/gnu/arm-linux/lib
> (I also have arm-elf for the eCOS work that I've been doing).
> 
>     All I have to do now is to figure out how to 'install' the shared
> libraries onto my pocket Linux system...
> 
Well, now that you have a complete working toolchain, you can start building
all the components for your disk image for your pocket Linux system. A good
place to start would be to get ARM packages from the Debian site. If you want
to build 'glibc' from scratch to put on your own disk image, here is one way
of doing it.

1) Create a ramdisk using '/dev/ramX' or use the loopback device and format
   an 'ext2' filesystem on it.

2) Un-pack your 'glibc' sources again.

3) Put your cross-compilation environment in your path and run the configure
   script for 'glibc' only this time using '--prefix=/usr'. This will
   configure 'glibc' in a special way that will install the libraries in
   '/lib' like it is on a "normal" Linux system. (By telling it the prefix
   is /usr AND that the target is a Linux variant, glibc figures out that
   you are creating it to be the main C run time library on the system)

4) Go ahead and do a 'make' and let it finish. STOP THERE!

5) WARNING!!! Now that 'glibc' has been built you are now ready to install
   it. If you were to do a 'make install' it would overwrite your host PC
   libraries and you would be screwed. Instead you want to do the install
   using 'make install_root=[path-to-mounted-disk-image] install'. This
   will then install 'glibc' to your disk image.

6) Continue putting whatever else you want on your image.

7) Unmount disk image. Hurray, you are done.

Hope this helps.

-Steve

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Hello,
I would like to know the state of the development for Cirrus mcu :
cspl7500
ep7211
ep7212
Is the cspl7500 linux version able to run (with little modifications...) on
ep7211 and ep7212 ?

thank you.

Xavier.

Philip Blundell wrote:
> 
> >    I've been 'playing' with cross-tools.   Using the various helpful help
> >files (Phil Blundell and Chris Rutter) I can now build binutils-2.9.5
> >and gcc-2.95.1 every which way.   However, I cannot build glibc-2.1
> >or newlib-1.8.2.
> 
> You might like to get binutils 2.10 and gcc "2.95.3" (ie the latest from the
> 2.95 branch in CVS).
> 
> >    Following Chris's instructions, glibc-2.1 fails because gcc 2.95.1
> >is not the correct version.   I hacked the configure file but it fails
> >as it builds it later on.
> 
> What failure are you seeing during the compile?  I used to cross-build glibc
> all the time, though I haven't done it recently.
> 
> p.
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Subject: Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for all Linux SA11x0
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Charlie Flynn writes:
> I will also put this spec in html format on the www.handhelds.org web site.

It should also sit elsewhere as well.  Some suggestions:

1. Main ARM Linux site
2. HPA should have a copy (since he admins the device database, and should
   be able to answer questions like "What is the API provided by major x
   minor y)
3. in the Documentation/ part of the kernel source tree.

> Since there has also been some interest in the handhelds@handhelds.org
> mailing list I will post it in both lists for now with a view to maybe
> moving the discussion to one (which one?) of the lists.

I don't mean to cause offence to those people at handhelds.org or any
of the other mailing lists, but it strikes me that we're getting too
many mailing lists covering the same sort of areas, which is ending up
with a loss of clarity and greater confusion.  We currently have:

	linux-arm-announce@lists.arm.linux.org.uk

		For announcements about new features/projects etc only
		(moderated)

	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk

		For discussions about kernels/kernel APIs
		(unmoderated)

	linux-arm@lists.arm.linux.org.uk OR
	linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu

		For anything that doesn't fall into the above categories.
		(unmoderated)

	handhelds@handhelds.org

		?

	sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com

		StrongARM-1100 stuff ?

	linux-7110@redhat.com

		Linux on ARM7110 ?

I would prefer to see all kernel stuff discussed on linux-arm-kernel, so
that there is one central place where people can go to look for stuff, in
much the same way as the main linux-kernel list.

I'd also like these "other" mailing lists provide a clear definition of
their purpose so that it can be documented and readily available to people.

Please, don't loose sight that we're not huge community (yet)!
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Steve,

    I have a pocket linux system (based around busybox) that I built on
an ARM Linux system (a Corel box).  I use ROM fs myself.  Thanks for
the tips though...

Dave

Steve Hill wrote:

> David Rusling wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> >     thank you very much.   I think that what I was doing was not building
> > the correct version of glibc, I had glibc-2.1, not 2.1.3.  After a bit of
> > fiddling I can now build static applications for my ARM Linux box.
> > This is with gcc 2.95.2 but I think that gcc 2.95.1 would also work.
> >
> >     I build all my stuff for /usr/local/gnu so I ended up having to
> > create a link from /usr/local/gnu/lib to /usr/local/gnu/arm-linux/lib
> > (I also have arm-elf for the eCOS work that I've been doing).
> >
> >     All I have to do now is to figure out how to 'install' the shared
> > libraries onto my pocket Linux system...
> >
> Well, now that you have a complete working toolchain, you can start building
> all the components for your disk image for your pocket Linux system. A good
> place to start would be to get ARM packages from the Debian site. If you want
> to build 'glibc' from scratch to put on your own disk image, here is one way
> of doing it.
>
> 1) Create a ramdisk using '/dev/ramX' or use the loopback device and format
>    an 'ext2' filesystem on it.
>
> 2) Un-pack your 'glibc' sources again.
>
> 3) Put your cross-compilation environment in your path and run the configure
>    script for 'glibc' only this time using '--prefix=/usr'. This will
>    configure 'glibc' in a special way that will install the libraries in
>    '/lib' like it is on a "normal" Linux system. (By telling it the prefix
>    is /usr AND that the target is a Linux variant, glibc figures out that
>    you are creating it to be the main C run time library on the system)
>
> 4) Go ahead and do a 'make' and let it finish. STOP THERE!
>
> 5) WARNING!!! Now that 'glibc' has been built you are now ready to install
>    it. If you were to do a 'make install' it would overwrite your host PC
>    libraries and you would be screwed. Instead you want to do the install
>    using 'make install_root=[path-to-mounted-disk-image] install'. This
>    will then install 'glibc' to your disk image.
>
> 6) Continue putting whatever else you want on your image.
>
> 7) Unmount disk image. Hurray, you are done.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Steve
>
> --
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Russell King writes:
I don't mean to cause offence to those people at handhelds.org or any
of the other mailing lists, but it strikes me that we're getting too
many mailing lists covering the same sort of areas, which is ending up
with a loss of clarity and greater confusion.  We currently have:

I would prefer to see all kernel stuff discussed on linux-arm-kernel, so
that there is one central place where people can go to look for stuff, in
much the same way as the main linux-kernel list.

I'd also like these "other" mailing lists provide a clear definition of
their purpose so that it can be documented and readily available to people.

Please, don't loose sight that we're not huge community (yet)!
 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Russell;

Although I believe that you are correct in wanting arm kernel stuff
discussed on linux-arm-kernel. The touch screen API is an issue that crosses
many platforms and Operating Systems.  Since at this time is mostly handheld
devices that need a touch screen API, I think handhelds.org is the most
appropriate place.  In the past, I would have agree with you, that the
linux-kernel list should have been the appropriate forum, but, IMHO, the
main linux-kernel mailing list is becoming over crowed and too busy with
side discussions that do not effect the main stream kernel. I think it is
good, that there are more separate mailing list which take some of the
pressure off of the linux-kernel list. The best examples that comes to mind
is the USB mailing list or the linix-arm list.

I believe that Charlie should send a note to the linux-kernel list, BSD
lists and the plan9 list, telling everybody whom is interested that, a touch
screen API is being discussed at handhelds.org. This is not a Linux only
issue. There are many applications that run on multiple OSs.

This week, I hope to have time to have a more clear definition and purpose
of the handhelds.org lists. In short is a place to discuss and solve the
issues that effect handheld/wearable devices in the Open Source community
across Operating Systems.  

with delusions of grandeur,

--George

George France,      france@crl.dec.com
Cambridge Research Laboratory, Compaq Computer Corporation
One Cambridgecenter    MS: CRL
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Hi Nico:
   I built linux kernel running in my SA1110 assabet board. I used the
following kernel:
   linux-2.4.0-test1.tar.gz
   patch-2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1.gz
   patch-2.4.0test1-ac7.gz
   diff-2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1-np6.gz
   
   However I can't use the ethernet card (socket comm. LP) which is
installed on the compact flash slot. I downloaded the ramdisk from CMU
website, the pcmcia service is running, but I still can't activate the
ethernet. 
   can anybody tell me which patch should I apply for my current kernel and
what ramdisk I should use.

Lei Sun

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	   sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com

		   StrongARM-1100 stuff ?

I created this list for sa1100-specific linux issues (back when the sa1100
port was less well-integrated with the general arm port).  It's possible
that it's no longer needed.  Clearly, if it stays around it needs to have
sa1100 as well as sa1110 in its charter.  Nicolas, I'm willing to let you
define the charter... what do you think?

			-Debby

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Sun, Lei wrote:

> Hi Nico:
>    I built linux kernel running in my SA1110 assabet board. I used the
> following kernel:
>    linux-2.4.0-test1.tar.gz
>    patch-2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1.gz
>    patch-2.4.0test1-ac7.gz
>    diff-2.4.0-test1-ac7-rmk1-np6.gz
>    
>    However I can't use the ethernet card (socket comm. LP) which is
> installed on the compact flash slot. I downloaded the ramdisk from CMU
> website, the pcmcia service is running, but I still can't activate the
> ethernet. 
>    can anybody tell me which patch should I apply for my current kernel and
> what ramdisk I should use.

Make sure your ramdisk is using the same module version as the one you
should have produced with the kernel you compiled.  Also note that the
/lib/modules/2.4.0-xyz directory name should match your kernel version.


Nicolas


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-=> I created this list for sa1100-specific linux issues (back when the sa1100
-=> port was less well-integrated with the general arm port).  It's possible
-=> that it's no longer needed.  Clearly, if it stays around it needs to have
-=> sa1100 as well as sa1110 in its charter.  Nicolas, I'm willing to let you
-=> define the charter... what do you think?

If you don't redifine the charter ... is there anywhere that folks are
talking about sa1110 -> CompactFlash/IBM microdrive direct driver issues in
linux?  I've found stuff on going through pcmcia, but nothing on the direct
stuff ... is it because there isn't anything, or there aren't any wire
specs or what?

Dave K>

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Deborah Wallach wrote:

> 
> 	   sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com
> 
> 		   StrongARM-1100 stuff ?
> 
> I created this list for sa1100-specific linux issues (back when the sa1100
> port was less well-integrated with the general arm port).  It's possible
> that it's no longer needed.  

Does anyone on the sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com feel that this list is still
required?  I used it for my patch announcements and though it would be a
good place for very SA11x0-specific Linux support discussions.  Maybe this
list can stay with its focus, maybe all the other lists can already do the
job.

Maybe concerned people can tell what they think?

In all cases I would like to see someone to host an web archive of that
list with
as many old messages as we can gather.  There were a lot of useful
informations that went through.


Nicolas


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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, A Page in the Life of ... wrote:

> If you don't redifine the charter ... is there anywhere that folks are
> talking about sa1110 -> CompactFlash/IBM microdrive direct driver issues in
> linux?  I've found stuff on going through pcmcia, but nothing on the direct
> stuff ... is it because there isn't anything, or there aren't any wire
> specs or what?

It's because it should just work already.  CompactFlash works for me on
Assabet and the IBM microdrive is working for someone else who own one.
The current SA1100 PCMCIA with the standard IDE support in the kernel are
the only drivers required.


Nicolas


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Hi Nico, Debbi,

I think this list is still very useful in separating
the generic ARMlinux messages from the StrongArmLinux
specific ones. If the list does not put unbearable
strains on the pa.dec.com server, then by all means
please continue the service. An archive would be nice
though.

In any case, I would like to thank Compaq (nee
Digital) for hosting this list, and I hope they will
continue hosting it in the future.

Zsolt


--- Nicolas Pitre <nico@CAM.ORG> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Deborah Wallach wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 	   sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com
> > 
> > 		   StrongARM-1100 stuff ?
> > 
> > I created this list for sa1100-specific linux
> issues (back when the sa1100
> > port was less well-integrated with the general arm
> port).  It's possible
> > that it's no longer needed.  
> 
> Does anyone on the sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com feel that
> this list is still
> required?  I used it for my patch announcements and
> though it would be a
> good place for very SA11x0-specific Linux support
> discussions.  Maybe this
> list can stay with its focus, maybe all the other
> lists can already do the
> job.
> 
> Maybe concerned people can tell what they think?
> 
> In all cases I would like to see someone to host an
> web archive of that
> list with
> as many old messages as we can gather.  There were a
> lot of useful
> informations that went through.
> 
> 
> Nicolas
> 


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--George

-----Original Message-----
From: A Page in the Life of ... [mailto:dkap-wearables@haven.org]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 1:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for
all Linux SA11x0


-=> I created this list for sa1100-specific linux issues (back when the
sa1100
-=> port was less well-integrated with the general arm port).  It's possible
-=> that it's no longer needed.  Clearly, if it stays around it needs to
have
-=> sa1100 as well as sa1110 in its charter.  Nicolas, I'm willing to let
you
-=> define the charter... what do you think?

If you don't redifine the charter ... is there anywhere that folks are
talking about sa1110 -> CompactFlash/IBM microdrive direct driver issues in
linux?  I've found stuff on going through pcmcia, but nothing on the direct
stuff ... is it because there isn't anything, or there aren't any wire
specs or what?

Dave K>

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 10:43:55PM +1000, Charlie Flynn wrote:
> 
> This is the structure contains the X and Y pixel coordinates of a
> single touch screen event. It is passed from the driver to the user by
> the read() function.
>

Hi Charlie,

Pixel coordinates won't be enough, in general.  Digitizers used for
handwriting recognition often have much higher resolution than the
LCDs, and the extra information is vital for good handwriting
recognition, particularly for Asian languages.

I've integrated Asian handwriting recognition libraries into OSes
which were not designed with this in mind, and I had to hack things
up get digitizer-resolution coordinates.

Plus, I think it'd be nice to decouple the digitizer API from a
specific screen resolution.

miket


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I suspect that the sa1100-linux list will still be useful for the next two
or three months, as there are still some drivers to be completed. At that
time we should re-evaluate.

--George

George France,      france@crl.dec.com
Cambridge Research Laboratory, Compaq Computer Corporation
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Pitre [mailto:nico@cam.org]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 2:05 PM
To: Deborah Wallach
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Deborah Wallach wrote:

> 
> 	   sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com
> 
> 		   StrongARM-1100 stuff ?
> 
> I created this list for sa1100-specific linux issues (back when the sa1100
> port was less well-integrated with the general arm port).  It's possible
> that it's no longer needed.  

Does anyone on the sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com feel that this list is still
required?  I used it for my patch announcements and though it would be a
good place for very SA11x0-specific Linux support discussions.  Maybe this
list can stay with its focus, maybe all the other lists can already do the
job.

Maybe concerned people can tell what they think?

In all cases I would like to see someone to host an web archive of that
list with
as many old messages as we can gather.  There were a lot of useful
informations that went through.


Nicolas

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 03:25:21PM +0000, Xavier DEBREUIL wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like to know the state of the development for Cirrus mcu :
> cspl7500
> ep7211
> ep7212
> Is the cspl7500 linux version able to run (with little modifications...) on
> ep7211 and ep7212 ?
> 

I have the (pretty ancient) 2.2.1 kernel booting and running on
an EDB7211 evaluation board, as of Friday night :-).  Here's a
very terse set of instructions I wrote for myself:

=====================================================================
Get the canonical 2.2.1 kernel from kernel.org and unpack it:

wget ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.1.tar.gz
tar zxvf linux-2.2.1.tar.gz
mv linux linux-2.2.1-ep7211

Go to the kernel directory and patch it:

cd linux-2.2.1-ep7211
export PATCHDIR=/place/where/you/keep/your/patches
# Russell King's official Linux/ARM patch:
zcat $PATCHDIR/patch-2.2.1-rmk2.gz | patch -p1
# Phil Blundell's patch:
zcat $PATCHDIR/linux-2.2.1-philb-990208.gz | patch -p1
# www.calcaria.net (linux-7110) "crash+burn" patch:
zcat $PATCHDIR/crash+burn-26.patch.gz | patch -p1
# Ben Williamson's EP7211 port patch (NOTE -p2 instead of -p1!):
zcat $PATCHDIR/cb26-benw3.gz | patch -p2
# my patch (-miket1):
cat $PATCHDIR/patch-2.2.1-miket1 | patch -p1

Fixes in -miket1 patch:
==> include intermediate patches in EXTRAVERSION
==> in arch/arm/Makefile: elf32arm -> armelf_linux in $(LD)
==> in arch/arm/vmlinux-armv.lds: change top line to:
    OUTPUT_FORMAT("elf32-littlearm", "elf32-bigarm", "elf32-littlearm")
==> bandaid for Oops in serial bottom half
==> wrong TLB/cache flush coprocessor insns were being assembled
    (found this out the hard way :-).  Gross fix included.

Use Ben Williamson's 'shoehorn' boot loader to download the kernel over
the serial port; first install my patch to set the DRAM refresh to 64kHz
(patch also restores terminal settings when you kill shoehorn).
=====================================================================

Patches (for kernel and shoehorn) attached.

Note that both patches are quick fixes to get things working; I didn't
fix the kernel correctly, and the shoehorn patch still uses the 'anvil'
hardware type because I was in a hurry.  I'm not going to concentrate
much effort on 2.2.1; I'm looking to forward port the EDB7211 stuff to
2.4.0-test*, but I'm not sure how much time I'll have for that in the
next couple of weeks (probably not much).  Although I have the eval
board for work, the Linux kernel stuff is strictly free-time hacking
at this point.  If anyone is already doing/has already done a 7211
port to 2.4, please let me know, I'm lazy!

The version of the kernel I got working just has serial console support,
no keyboard/LCD/touchscreen/ethernet/PCMCIA.  There's a random little
Linux distro called 'Royal Linux' that has a port which includes all this
stuff, but when I tried it a while ago, it crashed a lot ('a lot' as in
'only made it to init one time in three').  Hopefully it works better for
its authors and I was just missing some magic.  I'm planning on getting
my hands on it soon, so that I can use its drivers in the port to 2.4.

miket


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I've spent the last few days trying very hard to get the SDRAM working on
a custom SA1110 based board but have failed thus far.

Does anyone (besides blob & Compaq/bootldr) have simple assembly code to
"wake-up" the SDRAMs(follow through the state machine listed in the 1110
manual) and configure & enable them? 

At this point I am unable to read/write to SDRAM after trying my code; I
do all my initalization after RESET so the MMU is unconfigured and caches
are turned off.

The hardware *looks* OK but I'm not rulling it out yet.

Anyone know of good data sheets/SDRAM briefs that might show in detail
waveforms expected to see during configuration and non-burst
read/writes? 

We're using Micron 64Mbit x 16 SDRAMs; I have data sheets from both and
IBM and both do a very crappy job of explaining terms and procedures to
non-long time users of DRAM/SDRAM

I'm at my wits end over here...

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Hi all,

Has anybody had a working EBSA-285 setup with Intel's EEPro100 NICs?

I am using a 2.2.15 kernel patched with patch-2.2.15-rmk1 (because I
need a 2.2 kernel at this point) and ebsa285-bios-1.06 w. diff2
patch.
The eepro100 driver is compiled into the kernel because I want to
mount an NFS root fs.

Now, the problem.. The cards won't initialise properly, or at least
that is what the kernel thinks.

...
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
pci_scan_bus for bus 0
PCI: 00:38 [8086/1229]
PCI: pci_scan_bus returning with max=00
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
Starting kswapd v 1.5
RAM disk driver initialized:  1 RAM disks of 4096K size
Found Intel i82557 PCI Speedo at I/O 0xe1800000, IRQ 22.
  PCI latency timer (CFLT) is 0x20.
eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker
http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers
/eepro100.html
eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.20.2.3 $ 2000/03/02 Modified by Andrey V.
Savochkin <saw@sa
w.sw.com.sg> and others
eth0: Intel PCI EtherExpress Pro100 at 0xe1800000,
00:90:27:8C:D8:6B, IRQ 22.
  Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
  Board assembly 721383-006, Physical connectors present: RJ45
  Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
Self test failed, status ffffffff:
 Failure to initialize the i82557.
 Verify that the card is in a bus-master capable slot.
...

I know that the hardware is OK because it's running when using
another OS (in house developed mini-OS).

A thought that crossed my mind is address mapping problems
(PCI-SDRAM et vice-versa) or some other setup of the CSRs.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
    Mathias



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hi,i compiled cross compiler for arm.the kernel is 2.4.0-test2.i use 
binutils-2.9.5.0.42 ,gcc-2.95.2.tar.gz,gcc-2.95.2.diff-991022.gz and 
glibc2.1.3,glibc-linuxthreads-2.1.3.tar.gz,glibc-crypt-2.1.tar.gz.
compiling the binutils-2.9.5.0.42 and gcc-2.95.2 is success,but when compiling glibc 
,there are some errors as follows:
.....
/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(tinfo2.o):In function 
'_throw_type_match_rtti'
gcc-2.95.2/gcc/./cp/tinfo2.cc:114:multi definition of 'signed char type_info node'
/usr/local/arm/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(tinfo2.o:gcc-2.95.2/gcc/./cp/tinfo2.
cc:114:first defined here
....
 why?
who can help me?
best regards.


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 I make the SOCKET LP-E PCMCIA ethernet card worked, so i want mount NFS through it,but when i run " mount -o rw, ...   " 
i got error as this:

nfs warning:mount wersion older than kernel
RPC:sendmsg return error 101

the NFS server working well, i can mount NFS through other PC. 

Could anyone tell me why?

thanks

            huang
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In message <396ADF3F.BDC59A4D@telscom.ch>
          Mathias Teikari <mathias.teikari@telscom.ch> wrote:

>   Board assembly 721383-006, Physical connectors present: RJ45
>   Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
> Self test failed, status ffffffff:
>  Failure to initialize the i82557.
>  Verify that the card is in a bus-master capable slot.
> ...
> 
> I know that the hardware is OK because it's running when using
> another OS (in house developed mini-OS).
> 
> A thought that crossed my mind is address mapping problems
> (PCI-SDRAM et vice-versa) or some other setup of the CSRs.

Mostly likely yes - it seems it's not finding some of its initial
resources.  There are a couple of compile options in this driver
you might want to take a look at; and certainly the initilisation
code - it's relatively simple.

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 I make the SOCKET LP-E PCMCIA ethernet card worked, so i want mount NFS
through it,but when i run " mount -o rw, ...   " 
i got error as this:

nfs warning:mount wersion older than kernel
RPC:sendmsg return error 101

the NFS server working well, i can mount NFS through other PC. 

Could anyone tell me why?

thanks

            huang
            huang_ch@21cn.com

A little more information about your setup would be helpful, such as kernel
version and what you are mounting to.  NFS mounting works fine.  Looks like
your server maybe doesn't like your Assabet.  Check your server config,
especially /etc/exports, /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts, and maybe /etc/fstab
on your Assabet's ramdisk.  NFS on Assabet works well, including NFS
mounting of root filesystem.

//Jeff

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Thanks for the reply Mike.
I haven't come across a Digitizer before so are you saying that a simple redesign
of the TS_EVENT structure is all that is needed to accommodate the Digitizer or
does the Digitizer require other special considerations? In other words will this
spec accommodate the Digitizer without too much modification?

--Charlie

Mike Touloumtzis wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 10:43:55PM +1000, Charlie Flynn wrote:
> >
> > This is the structure contains the X and Y pixel coordinates of a
> > single touch screen event. It is passed from the driver to the user by
> > the read() function.
> >
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> Pixel coordinates won't be enough, in general.  Digitizers used for
> handwriting recognition often have much higher resolution than the
> LCDs, and the extra information is vital for good handwriting
> recognition, particularly for Asian languages.
>
> I've integrated Asian handwriting recognition libraries into OSes
> which were not designed with this in mind, and I had to hack things
> up get digitizer-resolution coordinates.
>
> Plus, I think it'd be nice to decouple the digitizer API from a
> specific screen resolution.
>
> miket
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>>>>> "VR" == Vasant Ramasubramanian <vasantr@utdallas.edu> writes:

 VR> I've spent the last few days trying very hard to get the SDRAM
 VR> working on a custom SA1110 based board but have failed thus far.

 VR> Does anyone (besides blob & Compaq/bootldr) have simple assembly
 VR> code to "wake-up" the SDRAMs(follow through the state machine
 VR> listed in the 1110 manual) and configure & enable them?

 VR> At this point I am unable to read/write to SDRAM after trying my
 VR> code; I do all my initalization after RESET so the MMU is
 VR> unconfigured and caches are turned off.

[snip]

There are some problems with the SA1110 SDRAM controller.  It only
works at some speeds.  I think that with a 1/4 speed bus, it will
always work.  However, using the 1/2 speed bus, it will work from
187-200Mhz and from 50-118Mhz depending on the CAS latency.  I don't
think this is mentioned in errata (or whatever they call it).

Unfortunately, the SA1110 SDRAM controller doesn't give you control
over the waveforms like say the UPM on an MPC860.  This means that you
have to work with the parameters that the SA1110 provides.

Most SDRAM has the same state machine and commands.  These are sent by
three control lines (I forget which), so there are eight different
commands (maybe more, one is an escape).  Here are some 1/4 speed
numbers.

[start]

ppcr_speed:
        .long   0x00000006      /* 147 Mhz */
mdcas00:        
        .long   0xaaaaaa7f      /* 1/4 speed */
mdrefr0: 
        .long   0x00700321      /* 1/4 speed */
mdcas01:
        .long   0xaaaaaaaa
mdcas02:        
        .long   0xaaaaaaaa
mdcnfg:        
        .long   0x72547254	

initSDRAM:      
	ldr 	r0,memCfgAddr

	ldr 	r1,mdcas00      /* MDCAS00 value. */
	str 	r1,[r0,#0x4]

	ldr 	r1,mdcas01      /* MDCAS01 value. */
	str 	r1,[r0,#0x8]

	ldr 	r1,mdcas02      /* MDCAS02 value. */
	str 	r1,[r0,#0xc]

 	ldr 	r1,mdrefr0      /* MDREFR value. */
 	STR 	r1,[r0,#0x1c]

	ldr 	r1,mdcnfg       /* turn on the DRAM */
	STR 	r1,[r0]

	ldr 	r0,powCfgAddr
        mov 	r1,#0x08        /* clear the DRAM Hold bit */
	STR 	r1,[r0,#0x4] 

        /* Perform 8 reads from unenabled DRAM */
        mov     r1, #DRAM_PHYSICAL
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]

        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        ldr     r2, [r1]
        
	ldr 	r0,memCfgAddr
	ldr 	r1,mdcnfg       /* enable the DRAM */
        orr     r1,r1,#1
	STR 	r1,[r0]

	/*
	 * Wait for DRAM to come up.
	 */

	MOV	r1, #0x200
0:	SUBS	r1, r1, #1
	BNE	0b

        mov     pc,lr           /* return to caller. */

[end]

If 1/4 speed doesn't work, take a look at the hardware.  If you are
lucky enough to have the bus broken out, hook up a logic analyzer and
take a look.  Intel suggested added line traces/delay elements to get
things working at 1/2 speed.  If you have a large trace, then things
might not work exactly like the Assabet, etc boards.  This sucks and
is frustrating to debug...

hth,
Bill

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I'm trying to get a network card working with an ebsa-285 and
backplane.  I've tried a 3c905b, 3c905c, and eepro100, and all fail in
a similar way.  With 2.4.0-test3-pre7-rmk1, the 3c905's are detected
and configured, but neither sends out any packets nor indicates
any errors.  Trying the 3Com driver instead, (and 2.2.16-rmk1) they
die during configuration.  The eepro100 fails as follows:

eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/dril
eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.33 $ 2000/05/24 Modified by Andrey V. Savochkin <saw@ss
eth0: Intel Corporation 82559 InBusiness 10/100, 00:D0:B7:BF:1D:1C, IRQ 21.     
  Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.                          
  Board assembly 742252-002, Physical connectors present: RJ45                  
  Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.                                         
Self test failed, status ffffffff:                                              
 Failure to initialize the i82557.                                              
 Verify that the card is a bus-master capable slot.                             
eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                            
eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                            
eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                            
eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                            
eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                            
Sending BOOTP requests...<1>eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                
.<1>eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                        
.<1>eepro100: wait_for_cmd_done timeout!                                        

Is there some board or backplane jumper setting that I'm missing
that would cause this?

-Jacob

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On Mon 10 Jul, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote:

> I don't mean to cause offence to those people at handhelds.org or any
> of the other mailing lists, but it strikes me that we're getting too
> many mailing lists covering the same sort of areas

> 	linux-7110@redhat.com

> 		Linux on ARM7110 ?

This is now basically the 'Linux on Psion PDAs' list


> I'd also like these "other" mailing lists provide a clear definition of
> their purpose so that it can be documented and readily available to people.

I generated this description of the various lists (for our ARMlinux
manual) a while back. If anyone has comments/disagrees etc please say so.
It will go online shortly.

   Mailing lists:
          There are several, depending on your level of experience/area
          of interest.

          There is a mailing list specifically for people new to
          ARMLinux, where you are positively encouraged to ask 'stupid
          questions.' This is <[75]ARMLinux-newbie@lists.armlinux.org>.
          We recommend that all users join this list so that the
          community can help each other out and compare notes. To
          subscribe go to
[file://localhost/websites/www.armlinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/index.html] the local copy of the site
          http://www.armlinux.org and fill in the form. When you have
          finished go on-line and submit it. Alternatively you can fill
          in the form directly on-line.

          There is also <[77]linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu>. This is the
          'main' ARMLinux list which covers ARMLinux topics not specific
          to ARMLinux-newbie or linux-arm-kernel. This covers all
          architectures that ARMLinux is used on. Users who have ceased
          to be 'newbies' will find this of interest. To subscribe send
          'subscribe linux-arm' (in the body of the message) to
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          <[79]linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk> is for
          kernel-related discussions, generally of a technical nature.
          This normally covers the kernel, compilers, related tools and
          new hardware. If you are a Linux beginner you won't understand
          a word of what goes on here :-) This is the place for those
          interested in the grubby stuff. To subscribe send 'subscribe
          linux-arm-kernel' (in the body of the message) to
          <[80]majordomo@lists.arm.linux.org.uk>

          There are other lists not directly related to this distribution
          of ARMLinux that may nevertheless be of interest.
          <[81]debian-arm@lists.debian.org> relates to work on and
          discussion of the Debian port. In a similar vein,
          <[82]linux-7110@redhat.com> is concerned with the Psion 5 port
          of ARMLinux whilst <[83]sa1100-linux@pa.dec.com> is for those
          who are interested in the StrongARM 1100 Linux port (Itsy,
          LART, PLEB)

I should of course now add handhelds.org and emdebian.org to this list, and
linux-arm-announce, whose existence I had failed to notice (tut).

I agree with Russell's fundamental point that too much splitting is not
good, but equally I think that linux-arm and linux-arm-kernel are both
quite busy. I suspect that the sa1100 list is perhaps the one that might
be most appropriately re-integrated, and the linux-7110 list (which is
very low traffic) could also perhaps benefit from talking more to the
mainstream (eg a recent question there about a kernel oops didn't get
useful resonse directly because the people who knew the answers don't
read it). The other lists all have a well-enough defined purpose that
I don't think integration would help.

just my two pennorth.

Wookey
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 12:26:37AM +1000, Charlie Flynn wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Mike.
>
> I haven't come across a Digitizer before so are you saying that a
> simple redesign of the TS_EVENT structure is all that is needed
> to accommodate the Digitizer or does the Digitizer require other
> special considerations? In other words will this spec accommodate the
> Digitizer without too much modification?
>

A digitizer is just a touch screen input device.  The Palm Pilot has
a digitizer; so does the Psion Series 5.  In the lingo I've been used
to, digitizer + LCD == touch screen[1].  It sometimes connotes high
resolution, especially WRT to the graphic artist market.  My experience is
mainly in Japanese consumer electronics; handwriting recognition is taken
much more seriously there than in the U.S. and European markets, because
everyone learns to write characters (even English ones) using a consistent
stroke order, so vector handwriting recognition works very well.

Unfortunately, the word "digitizer" is overloaded, and also refers to
various forms of specialized A/D equipment, like ultra-high-resolution
physical surface scanners, and optical scanners.  But it's pretty
unambiguous in the consumer electronics market; there's not a lot of
overlap.

The type of information you get out a digitizer varies from coarse
worse-than-pixel resolution (this type might be used in a greasy-sceen
supermarket kiosk) to a current peak of about 10,000 lines per inch
(for high-end graphic artist drawing tablets).

Handwriting recognition on consumer electronics devices is typically done 
using vector paths at digitizer resolution; in addition to X+Y coordinates,
the following info might be available from the hardware: pressure, stylus
angle, stylus height (mainly for RF devices like the Cross input pad, I
think; I have no experience with this).  The Jot HWR system stores a whole
bunch of info per path:

"The ink is stored in vectorized form (important for resizing and
representation on higher resolution output devices) and currently may
include the following attributes[35]: stroke order, bounding coordinates,
groups of strokes, timing, pressure, stylus angle (in x and y directions),
pen color (including opacity), scaling and offset, height over the
digitizer surface, buttons on the pen, and pen tip type. Speed and
pressure, for example, are important for signature verification, and
color may be used for user identification in a multi-user environment."[2]

Some of these attributes come from the hardware, while others are clearly
plugged in by software and probably wouldn't play a role in a kernel API.
Timing info is plugged in by software, but must be very high-precision
and so should probably be handled by the kernel (by sticking a
gettimeofday()-derived timestamp on input data points).

Good ink display is also best done with a sub-pixel coordinate system,
for the same reasons that sub-pixel sampling is good for antialiasing
and other graphical effects.

In writing a digitizer driver API, there are a few main things to keep
in mind:

-- Allow room for plenty of resolution, and don't assume pixel coords
   will equal digitizer coords.

-- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
   measured.

-- Allow room for expansion to new data types in the API (for instance,
   pen pressure info).  Translation: pad structures a little :-).  I
   wouldn't want to try to overdesign this; that way lies X.  I would
   at read a bunch of data sheets before trying to settle on a canonical
   API, though.

-- Some digitizers have non-linear input systems and need input munging
   beyond the simple device-independant translation/rotation/deskew that
   calibration can provide.  Most devices work fine with the equivalent
   of a single affine transform at most, but I know of at least one
   shipping touchscreen PDA/phone in Japan that essentially requires a
   system of linear equations to normalize coordinates, and also has 
   two "dead zones" that must be worked around.

   A driver API should be clear about whether it normalizes coordinates
   (in which case it must be possible to feed it calibration points from
   a userspace app) or whether it passes raw digitizer input to higher
   layers (in which case those layers must have hardware-dependent
   code--this is the gpm approach).

miket

[1] Not quite--there are electromagnetic digitizers in addition to
    pressure sensitive ones; I wouldn't refer to them as "touch
    screens" even when used with an LCD.  But handheld devices usually
    seem to be touch based.

[2] http://www.amug.org/amug/sigs/newton/nanug/PenReport/Handwriting.html


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Platform: CL-EP7212, Redhat 6.2, bootloader for SA1100 & CL-EP7211
Project: porting arm-linux to CL-EP7212


Hi,

Really i want to know how can i create a initrd.gz, which should download
with the kernel image in order to boot the development board.


The arm-linx kernel image for CL-EP7212, i have made it based on the
following kernel and patch:

"VERSION = 2
PATCHLEVEL = 2
SUBLEVEL = 1
EXTRAVERSION = -rmk2"  ----from the main Makefile

it seems healthy.

i have been downloaded it via the bootloader, unfortunately, the board
couldn't boot up because of without the initrd.

A initrd.gz sample, i got from
ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/user/b/benw/initrd.gz 35393 bytes

however, it couldn't work with the arm-inux kernel image before.

Well, i wonder how i can create the initrd.gz step by step.


it's welcom for any other info about porting linux on CL-EP7212, thanks.



Best Regards

Eads Sun


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Wookey writes:
>           http://www.armlinux.org and fill in the form. When you have
>           finished go on-line and submit it. Alternatively you can fill
>           in the form directly on-line.

Yet more splitting, that even I wasn't aware of. ;(

>           <[79]linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk> is for
>           kernel-related discussions, generally of a technical nature.
>           This normally covers the kernel, compilers, related tools and
>           new hardware.

Not compilers I'm afraid.

> I agree with Russell's fundamental point that too much splitting is not
> good, but equally I think that linux-arm and linux-arm-kernel are both
> quite busy.

Please define "busy".  From the linux-arm* lists combined, the maximum that
I've had (not including my postings) from them in one month (April 2000) is
331 messages in 30 days.  Of those, there were 161 messages on the linux-arm
list.  That's an total average of 11 messages a day, or 5 per day for
linux-arm.  Note that it normally averages 2 to 3 messages per day.  This
is "silent" compared with other lists such as "linux-kernel" who have 140+
messages a day, and the "mgetty" list which has about 4 per day.  I just
get very amused with people saying that the linux-arm* lists are busy.

I'm not sure that the correct answer is to create parallel lists with the
same subject area, but to have a clearly defined separation between the
lists (eg, linux-arm and linux-arm-kernel).  In general, the "right"
splits are on subject matter, not machine type since many problems span
most linux-arm machine types (eg, "how do I build a cross compiler" "does
xxx work on ARM Linux" "building cross libraries" "angel boot loader"
etc) and to fragment the community over these issues can only lead to
poorer information.

For instance, I believe that we have at least a third person announcing
that they will create a site where an x86 ARM cross toolchain will be
available from.  However, because it is distributed across a wide number
of hosts, it gets lost, and then someone else comes along and announces
the same thing.  Eventually we end up with some people going to one site,
and someone else creating another toolchain.

I have always offered to provide FTP space on the main site - in fact
there has always been a set of cron scripts running which automagically
mail me when stuff gets uploaded into /pub/linux/arm/incoming so that
it can be moved into the appropriate area, but I've yet to see anyone
take up on this.

As it stands, the "community" is becoming very fragmented with little or
even no communication between the parties, especially the 'armlinux.org'
group who appear to keep themselves completely to themselves.  This is
BAD, since it will lead to decay of quality, not improvement.

Oh, while we're on the subject of mailing lists, I'd like to table a
motion to close down linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu and move to
linux-arm@lists.arm.linux.org.uk.  The reasons for this is:

1. vger.rutgers.edu is rather overloaded now, to the point where 
   the admins are refusing to setup new mailing lists.
2. Since Southampton Uni has finally closed my mail accounts (yay),
   I no longer get the administrivia mail from vger.
3. lists.arm.linux.org.uk is easier to administer, and is seen (I hope)
   as the central point for ARM Linux.
4. lists.arm.linux.org.uk has a faster response time than vger.

That's my 2p's worth tonight.
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Vasant Ramasubramanian wrote:

> Anyone know of good data sheets/SDRAM briefs that might show in detail
> waveforms expected to see during configuration and non-burst
> read/writes? 

The processor manual should contain the pin descriptions and the hardware
protokol (when which line is going high or low). At least it does in the
<= ARM710 manual from ARM.



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Touloumtzis" <miket@bluemug.com>
To: "Charlie Flynn" <flynn@ozy.dec.com>
Cc: "Mike Touloumtzis" <miket@bluemug.com>; <linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu>;
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Subject: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for all Linux
SA11x0 platforms.


> In writing a digitizer driver API, there are a few main things to keep
> in mind:
>
> -- Allow room for plenty of resolution, and don't assume pixel coords
>    will equal digitizer coords.

This is another reason why I think the best thing is to just feed the raw
data to userspace and divide it up there, avoiding any attempt to calibrate
or smooth data in the kernel.

> -- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
>    measured.

Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the kernel.  Give
every point to userspace so that all timing is known.

> -- Allow room for expansion to new data types in the API (for instance,
>    pen pressure info).  Translation: pad structures a little :-).  I
>    wouldn't want to try to overdesign this; that way lies X.  I would
>    at read a bunch of data sheets before trying to settle on a canonical
>    API, though.

Userspace.

> -- Some digitizers have non-linear input systems and need input munging
>    beyond the simple device-independant translation/rotation/deskew that
>    calibration can provide.  Most devices work fine with the equivalent
>    of a single affine transform at most, but I know of at least one
>    shipping touchscreen PDA/phone in Japan that essentially requires a
>    system of linear equations to normalize coordinates, and also has
>    two "dead zones" that must be worked around.

Userspace.  BTW, I've released a solved system of linear equations in my
touch panel driver for microwindows.  Several people got involved in the
creation of those equations, and they work well.

>    A driver API should be clear about whether it normalizes coordinates
>    (in which case it must be possible to feed it calibration points from
>    a userspace app) or whether it passes raw digitizer input to higher
>    layers (in which case those layers must have hardware-dependent
>    code--this is the gpm approach).

The kerenel should keep it's grubby fingers off the data.  :-)

Regards,
Brad


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>>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley D LaRonde <brad@ltc.com> writes:

 >> ...

 Bradley> This is another reason why I think the best thing is to just
 Bradley> feed the raw data to userspace and divide it up there,
 Bradley> avoiding any attempt to calibrate or smooth data in the
 Bradley> kernel.

I'd agree with that, provided you also get a query function that lets
you discover what units are used for all those raw data items.  That's
a bit like X which gives you pixels (not world coordinates or
millimeters or whatnot) but lets you find out how big the pixel is.
(And unlike a certain other operating system which not only pretends to
use inches, but then doesn't actually use the same size inches
everyone else does.)

 >> -- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
 >> measured.

 Bradley> Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the
 Bradley> kernel.  Give every point to userspace so that all timing is
 Bradley> known.

I can't tell whether you meant "have the kernel timestamp every point
and give the result to userspace" or "have the kernel give every point
to userspace so the application can do the timestamping".

The latter won't work, of course...

 >> -- Allow room for expansion to new data types in the API (for
 >> instance, pen pressure info).  Translation: pad structures a
 >> little :-).  I wouldn't want to try to overdesign this; that way
 >> lies X.  I would at read a bunch of data sheets before trying to
 >> settle on a canonical API, though.

 Bradley> Userspace.

Sure, though here in particular the need to query units is important.
Also, I think you would want to linearize things, if the raw hardware
has an oddball transfer function.

    paul

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Bradley D. LaRonde wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Touloumtzis" <miket@bluemug.com>
> To: "Charlie Flynn" <flynn@ozy.dec.com>
> Cc: "Mike Touloumtzis" <miket@bluemug.com>; <linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu>;
> <handhelds@handhelds.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 1:57 PM
> Subject: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for all Linux
> SA11x0 platforms.
> 
> 
> > In writing a digitizer driver API, there are a few main things to keep
> > in mind:
> >
> > -- Allow room for plenty of resolution, and don't assume pixel coords
> >    will equal digitizer coords.
> 
> This is another reason why I think the best thing is to just feed the raw
> data to userspace and divide it up there, avoiding any attempt to calibrate
> or smooth data in the kernel.
> 
> > -- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
> >    measured.
> 
> Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the kernel.  Give
> every point to userspace so that all timing is known.

You won't have reliable time stamping in user space.  This has to be done
at the interrupt level.


Nicolas


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> >>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley D LaRonde <brad@ltc.com> writes:
>
>  >> ...
>
>  Bradley> This is another reason why I think the best thing is to just
>  Bradley> feed the raw data to userspace and divide it up there,
>  Bradley> avoiding any attempt to calibrate or smooth data in the
>  Bradley> kernel.
>
> I'd agree with that, provided you also get a query function that lets
> you discover what units are used for all those raw data items.  That's
> a bit like X which gives you pixels (not world coordinates or
> millimeters or whatnot) but lets you find out how big the pixel is.
> (And unlike a certain other operating system which not only pretends to
> use inches, but then doesn't actually use the same size inches
> everyone else does.)

No, I mean send raw, unitless data to userspace.

>  >> -- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
>  >> measured.
>
>  Bradley> Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the
>  Bradley> kernel.  Give every point to userspace so that all timing is
>  Bradley> known.
>
> I can't tell whether you meant "have the kernel timestamp every point
> and give the result to userspace" or "have the kernel give every point
> to userspace so the application can do the timestamping".
>
> The latter won't work, of course...

The touch panel that I work with takes samples at regular intervals.  If all
of those samples are delivered to userspace, then you can tell the timing of
data relative to other data, but not the absolute timing.  I suppose the
kernel driver could put an absolute timestamp on every data point, but I
can't offhand see the usefullness in that, and it certainly would eat
kernel/userspace bandwidth.  What would you need to compare any absolute
time against?

>  >> -- Allow room for expansion to new data types in the API (for
>  >> instance, pen pressure info).  Translation: pad structures a
>  >> little :-).  I wouldn't want to try to overdesign this; that way
>  >> lies X.  I would at read a bunch of data sheets before trying to
>  >> settle on a canonical API, though.
>
>  Bradley> Userspace.
>
> Sure, though here in particular the need to query units is important.
> Also, I think you would want to linearize things, if the raw hardware
> has an oddball transfer function.

I'm saying that I think that all interpretation and distribution of the data
should be done in userspace, where it can be more easily engineered,
debugged, and extended.

Regards,
Brad


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Nicolas Pitre writes:
 > > Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the kernel.  Give
 > > every point to userspace so that all timing is known.
 > 
 > You won't have reliable time stamping in user space.  This has to be done
 > at the interrupt level.

Some people are assuming that the digitizer is spitting out points at
a constant interval.  Others are assuming that the digitizer is only
spitting out deltas.

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Bradley D. LaRonde writes:
 > > Some people are assuming that the digitizer is spitting out points at
 > > a constant interval.  Others are assuming that the digitizer is only
 > > spitting out deltas.
 > 
 > Yup, I'm a constant interval assumer.  :-)
 > 
 > To all:  is that safe to assume?  Is there touch panel hardware out there
 > that won't do this?

It's easier to generate deltas with a timestamp than it is to generate 
constant interval data, if you're given the "wrong" thing.

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> Nicolas Pitre writes:
>  > > Agreed.  Yet another reason for not munging things in the kernel.
Give
>  > > every point to userspace so that all timing is known.
>  >
>  > You won't have reliable time stamping in user space.  This has to be
done
>  > at the interrupt level.
>
> Some people are assuming that the digitizer is spitting out points at
> a constant interval.  Others are assuming that the digitizer is only
> spitting out deltas.

Yup, I'm a constant interval assumer.  :-)

To all:  is that safe to assume?  Is there touch panel hardware out there
that won't do this?

Regards,
Brad


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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Bradley D. LaRonde wrote:

> I'm saying that I think that all interpretation and distribution of the data
> should be done in userspace, where it can be more easily engineered,
> debugged, and extended.

The extreme stand on user space is not always so good.  At some point you
need a common base so the job doesn't have to be duplicated for every and
all clients.

That's the role of the kernel to present a coherent view of all
peripherals types to user space apps, wether is is a sound card, a
framebuffer device, a touchscreen panel, etc.  Otherwise, we would already
manage ethernet interfaces in user space, IDE chipsets, etc.

The "all in the kernel" approach isn't good either, far from it.  However
a good balance is required for not duplicating the work for all user space
clients.  Since the kernel is the common point of communication for all
hardware components and all software apps, we need to use it in order not
to waste too much time on skattered user space maintenance.  Thus the need
for a well defined kernel interface.

A good compromise might involve a common basic interface for presenting
data that all types of touchscreens can provide, with the possibility for
a user space app that wants more to turn the driver into a raw mode. The
same principle is currently implemented with termios (think of cooked vs
raw modes), keyboards (translated, keycodes or scancodes), etc.

This way, all windowing systems using the basic interface would work
automagically without modifications whenever a new touchscreen driver is
produced which is not the case with the "all in user space" approach.

What I would change from the original proposition is the following:

For each TS events, a struct with the x, y, pressure coordinate and time
stamp be returned with int values rather than short.  This allows for a
much larger scale while limiting alignment and size problems on
architectures that doesn't support shorts naturally.

Next, some ioctls that allows the client to probe for the x scale, y scale
and pressure scale allowed by the hardware.  Maybe also probe for the type
of coordinates i.e. linear, polar or whatever could be common usage. If a
certain hardware doesn't do sane coordinate and requires a special
transform then it would have to be done in the driver so it could fit into
the nearest standard coordinate type -- just like different color modes
and representations are presented through the generic framebuffer
interface.

Probably the driver would benifit from an isteresis processing which
parameters are configurable from user space, based on queried scale
ranges.  This has to be done in the kernel too so the user space client is
not waken up unnecessary by the noise.

But all interpretation of coordinates in order to match screen pixels,
calibration, etc. has to be done in user space since that's what likely
to change meaning from one application to another.


Nicolas


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Nelson" <rn-handhelds@crynwr.com>
To: <linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu>; <handhelds@handhelds.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 6:09 PM
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> Bradley D. LaRonde writes:
>  > > Some people are assuming that the digitizer is spitting out points at
>  > > a constant interval.  Others are assuming that the digitizer is only
>  > > spitting out deltas.
>  >
>  > Yup, I'm a constant interval assumer.  :-)
>  >
>  > To all:  is that safe to assume?  Is there touch panel hardware out
there
>  > that won't do this?
>
> It's easier to generate deltas with a timestamp than it is to generate
> constant interval data, if you're given the "wrong" thing.

Ugh, I can just see it now, people taking a least-common-demoninator
approach because it adapts better to hypothetical delta-spewing hardware.

Regards,
Brad


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> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Bradley D. LaRonde wrote:
>
> > I'm saying that I think that all interpretation and distribution of the
data
> > should be done in userspace, where it can be more easily engineered,
> > debugged, and extended.
>
> The extreme stand on user space is not always so good.  At some point you
> need a common base so the job doesn't have to be duplicated for every and
> all clients.

Just because it isn't in the kernel doesn't mean there can't be a comon
base.  Share libs and userspace processes can also do abstraction.

Regards,
Brad


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> For instance, I believe that we have at least a third person announcing
> that they will create a site where an x86 ARM cross toolchain will be
> available from.  However, because it is distributed across a wide number
> of hosts, it gets lost, and then someone else comes along and announces
> the same thing.  Eventually we end up with some people going to one site,
> and someone else creating another toolchain.

If you mean the emdebian.org people, they are pretty accurately targeting
these problems with coordination from some ARM Linux types; I don't think
at all that this is how their effort will end up.

> I have always offered to provide FTP space on the main site - in fact
> there has always been a set of cron scripts running which automagically
> mail me when stuff gets uploaded into /pub/linux/arm/incoming so that
> it can be moved into the appropriate area, but I've yet to see anyone
> take up on this.

I think terming ftp.arm.linux.org.uk `the main site' is a little
contentious; ftp.netwinder.org (amongst others) contains at least as
much data important to the Linux/ARM project.  So eventually, I hope,
will ftp.armlinux.org.

> As it stands, the "community" is becoming very fragmented with little or
> even no communication between the parties,

The Linux/ARM project is, certainly in places, stricken with this problem;
projects proceed in their relatively insulated autonomous groups, not,
I think, owing to any sort of unsociability, but just a lack of conscious
organisation at a higher level: it is a question that needs thought as to
whether and what kind of higher organisation is desirable.

armlinux.org is, incidentally, a part of my effort to remedy this sort of
problem.

> especially the 'armlinux.org'
> group who appear to keep themselves completely to themselves.  This is
> BAD, since it will lead to decay of quality, not improvement.

armlinux.org really is little more than a WHOIS record at the moment:
this accusation is a paranoid one.  There is no `armlinux.org group' or
mafia; it is a domain name (and collection of i386/ARM machines) intended
to help foster open development, communcation, and web/FTP/shell space
for whoever might need it.

c.


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In case it wasn't clear from my message--I'm in favor of passing raw
digitizer data to userspace, but with kernel-generated timestamps for
accuracy (without that, even the amount of jitter generated by interrupt
latency could hurt measurements). Most digitizers use regular sampling
intervals, but I have used some that don't (including ones that can't
generate interrupts and have to be polled by the OS--yuck!).

miket


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Bradley D. LaRonde writes:
 > > It's easier to generate deltas with a timestamp than it is to generate
 > > constant interval data, if you're given the "wrong" thing.
 > 
 > Ugh, I can just see it now, people taking a least-common-demoninator
 > approach because it adapts better to hypothetical delta-spewing hardware.

How are mice hypothetical?  You lose nothing by compressing your data
stream into "and I saw the same thing for N intervals until I saw
this".  You *do* avoid context switches and kernel/userspace copying,
which are relatively expensive operations.  Remember: every electron
has to get pushed around by your battery.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Nelson" <rn-handhelds@crynwr.com>
To: <linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu>; <handhelds@handhelds.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for
allLinux SA11x0 platforms.


> Bradley D. LaRonde writes:
>  > > It's easier to generate deltas with a timestamp than it is to
generate
>  > > constant interval data, if you're given the "wrong" thing.
>  >
>  > Ugh, I can just see it now, people taking a least-common-demoninator
>  > approach because it adapts better to hypothetical delta-spewing
hardware.
>
> How are mice hypothetical?

I know mice are delta beasts.  I was talking about touch panels.

> You lose nothing by compressing your data
> stream into "and I saw the same thing for N intervals until I saw
> this".  You *do* avoid context switches and kernel/userspace copying,
> which are relatively expensive operations.  Remember: every electron
> has to get pushed around by your battery.

I agree with you in principle, but in practice, a touch panel data stream
fluctuates enough so that this simple compression method doesn't buy you
much at all except more electrons running around trying to figure out if
they should (de)compress or not using that lonely extra code we've chucked
into both the kernel and userland side, but practically always getting
disappointed.

And I suppose someone will say "then put some hysteresis and/or noise
filtering in the kernel driver".  So now whenever the user holds his pen
perfectly still on the touch panel, all our extra code gets to do it's
dance.  :-)

Regards,
Brad


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Please don't cross post your mail,and look at linux/Document/ramdisk.txt
first.
You will got what you want.



On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Eads Sun wrote:

> 
> Platform: CL-EP7212, Redhat 6.2, bootloader for SA1100 & CL-EP7211
> Project: porting arm-linux to CL-EP7212
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Really i want to know how can i create a initrd.gz, which should download
> with the kernel image in order to boot the development board.
> 
> 
> The arm-linx kernel image for CL-EP7212, i have made it based on the
> following kernel and patch:
> 
> "VERSION = 2
> PATCHLEVEL = 2
> SUBLEVEL = 1
> EXTRAVERSION = -rmk2"  ----from the main Makefile
> 
> it seems healthy.
> 
> i have been downloaded it via the bootloader, unfortunately, the board
> couldn't boot up because of without the initrd.
> 
> A initrd.gz sample, i got from
> ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/user/b/benw/initrd.gz 35393 bytes
> 
> however, it couldn't work with the arm-inux kernel image before.
> 
> Well, i wonder how i can create the initrd.gz step by step.
> 
> 
> it's welcom for any other info about porting linux on CL-EP7212, thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
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Hi,

can anyone tell me what `rdi' actually does.
I'm working with arm clps7500fe evaluation board.
when I try..
    (gdb)target rdi /dev/ttyS0
it gives error message as..
     can not reset the target.Try reset by pressing the reset button.

thanx,

saran





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 i use linux2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3,the ramdisk i downloaded it from CMU,http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wearable/software/ramdisks/ramdisk_pcmcia.gz.
and change the modules in the ramdisk.
when i download the image to the assabet,run "ifconfig" ,i only can find the eth0 ,there is not lo. and it can not ping other PC, if i run " ifconfig eth0 down " and "ifconfig eth0 192.xxx.xxx.xxx.. netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 192.xxx.xxx.xxx." "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1",then i can ping other PC,
but when run "ping 127.0.0.1" it give this message

64 bytes from 127.0.0.1 :icmp_seq=xxx ttl=255 tim=0.4ms
warning: unkonwn ICMP packet received(not echo-reply)

ping itself also display the message like above.

when i mount NFS ,it display this message.

nfs warning:mount wersion older than kernel
portmap:server localhost not respending, time out.
lockd_up:makesock failed,error=-5

i have changed the /etc/pcmcia/network.opts in the ramdisk.

Could anyone tell me why?

thanks

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>>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley D LaRonde <brad@ltc.com> writes:

 >> Some people are assuming that the digitizer is spitting out points
 >> at a constant interval.  Others are assuming that the digitizer is
 >> only spitting out deltas.

 Bradley> Yup, I'm a constant interval assumer.  :-)

 Bradley> To all: is that safe to assume?  Is there touch panel
 Bradley> hardware out there that won't do this?

I think so.

Furthermore, passing only non-zero deltas across the kernel/user
boundary is more efficient.  Those boundary crossings are very
efficient and doing one every millisecond or so is not particularly
desirable.

	paul

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<snip>
> Furthermore, passing only non-zero deltas across the kernel/user
> boundary is more efficient.  Those boundary crossings are very
> efficient and doing one every millisecond or so is not particularly
> desirable.

As I mentioned in a previous email, I agree in principle, but in practice
non-zero deltas in raw touch panel data are too rare to bother with.

Also, who says you have to get touch panel data one reading at a time?  The
kernel driver can buffer the readings.

Regards,
Brad


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> Hi Charlie,
> 
> Pixel coordinates won't be enough, in general.  Digitizers used for
> handwriting recognition often have much higher resolution than the
> LCDs, and the extra information is vital for good handwriting
> recognition, particularly for Asian languages.

I agree...

> 
> I've integrated Asian handwriting recognition libraries into OSes
> which were not designed with this in mind, and I had to hack things
> up get digitizer-resolution coordinates.
> 
> Plus, I think it'd be nice to decouple the digitizer API from a
> specific screen resolution.
> 

Yup.  Not just nice, but essential for some applications.  This implies
the driver interface(s) should be in device coordinates to me, rather than
X coordinate systems.

There are two interfaces in X that have to be built: one in which the touch
screen is being used as the primary pointer, and then some other way to
deal with it in all its glory, almost certainly via the X Input extension.

(Un)fortunately, the X Input extension is something I haven't ever dealt
with, so I'll have to spend some time figuring things out.  This was going
on about the same time as I was last working on X related topics (the XSync
extension).

Keith Packard knows quite a bit about the input extension (he and Bob 
Scheifler ripped it apart and put it back together again some years ago), 
and we're talking to each other about how in general we need X input to 
get redone (note that while touchscreen is burning for handhelds, that 
the widespread deployment of USB over the next year is going to require 
this issue to get visited in a general sense for X; Keith is also interested 
in handheld computing).  Some work needs to be done to X in general in 
this area, as the input extension does not have the concept of devices 
coming and going (plug and play kinds of hardware weren't on the drawing 
board in the early '90's).  So not all the cultural history has been lost.
If we need to add an extension to make this all work, we can.

So we'll probably have to do a bit of work to X in general and while we're
at it, should ensure there be some way to get both screen coordinates from
the X server, and higher resolution coordinates for applications that need
them.
			- Jim





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Jim Gettys
Technology and Corporate Development
Compaq Computer Corporation
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> There are two interfaces in X that have to be built: one in which the touch
> screen is being used as the primary pointer, and then some other way to
> deal with it in all its glory, almost certainly via the X Input extension.

I've been thinking more about input recently, and it's less than clear 
that the input extension is sufficient for pen-based devices.  Because the 
input device is so limited, I believe that a significant amount of policy 
will be required to distinguish between gestures intended as text input 
and gestures intended for pointer input.

In addition, we need support for a digital ink "overlay". One of the
important HWR lessons I learned from the Itsy was that graffiti with
feedback is much more reliable than without.

It's almost as if a separate app should be reading the touch screen and 
selectively synthesizing pointer and keyboard events; drawing digital 
ink on the screen to help make HWR usable.  Perhaps a portion of this app 
could be done within the X server using a grab/queuing mechanism similar 
to the core grabs.

Here's an idea -- have pen-down events cause raw input to be directed at
the external agent and simultaneously queued within the server.  The agent
could then monitor the gesture and at some point decide whether to echo
with digital ink, and finally decide whether to forward the entire queued
event stream on to the X pointer input queue or send it along for HWR. The
server could echo the ink itself or we could let the agent generate X
protocol for that.

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> Sender: handhelds-admin@handhelds.org
> From: Mike Touloumtzis <miket@bluemug.com>
> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:57:08 -0700
> To: Charlie Flynn <flynn@ozy.dec.com>
> Cc: Mike Touloumtzis <miket@bluemug.com>, linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu,
>         handhelds@handhelds.org
> Subject: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for all Linux
> SA11x0 platforms.
> -----
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 12:26:37AM +1000, Charlie Flynn wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply Mike.
> >
> > I haven't come across a Digitizer before so are you saying that a
> > simple redesign of the TS_EVENT structure is all that is needed
> > to accommodate the Digitizer or does the Digitizer require other
> > special considerations? In other words will this spec accommodate the
> > Digitizer without too much modification?
> >
> 
> A digitizer is just a touch screen input device.  The Palm Pilot has
> a digitizer; so does the Psion Series 5.  In the lingo I've been used
> to, digitizer + LCD == touch screen[1].  It sometimes connotes high
> resolution, especially WRT to the graphic artist market.  My experience is
> mainly in Japanese consumer electronics; handwriting recognition is taken
> much more seriously there than in the U.S. and European markets, because
> everyone learns to write characters (even English ones) using a consistent
> stroke order, so vector handwriting recognition works very well.
> 
> Unfortunately, the word "digitizer" is overloaded, and also refers to
> various forms of specialized A/D equipment, like ultra-high-resolution
> physical surface scanners, and optical scanners.  But it's pretty
> unambiguous in the consumer electronics market; there's not a lot of
> overlap.
> 
> The type of information you get out a digitizer varies from coarse
> worse-than-pixel resolution (this type might be used in a greasy-sceen
> supermarket kiosk) to a current peak of about 10,000 lines per inch
> (for high-end graphic artist drawing tablets).

10K LPI!!!!  I don't believe they could possibly really be at that
resolution, though the hardware might make claims to be that high...

The second question is how large do tablets get?

The product of LPI (LPC) and the size tells us how big the coordinates
should be...

By this theory, it sounds like 16 bits/coordinate may be enough, but at 
32 bits/coordinate, it can't possibly be wrong (since this would imply 
a physical size for the digitizer of 6 miles or so).  Since at 16 bits 
we are a bit close for taste (1K line resolution results in a 5 foot 
digitizer size), it sounds like coordinate values should be 32 bits to 
be safe.  

> 
> Handwriting recognition on consumer electronics devices is typically done
> using vector paths at digitizer resolution; in addition to X+Y coordinates,
> the following info might be available from the hardware: pressure, stylus
> angle, stylus height (mainly for RF devices like the Cross input pad, I
> think; I have no experience with this).  The Jot HWR system stores a whole
> bunch of info per path:
> 
> "The ink is stored in vectorized form (important for resizing and
> representation on higher resolution output devices) and currently may
> include the following attributes[35]: stroke order, bounding coordinates,
> groups of strokes, timing, pressure, stylus angle (in x and y directions),
> pen color (including opacity), scaling and offset, height over the
> digitizer surface, buttons on the pen, and pen tip type. Speed and
> pressure, for example, are important for signature verification, and
> color may be used for user identification in a multi-user environment."[2]
> 
> Some of these attributes come from the hardware, while others are clearly
> plugged in by software and probably wouldn't play a role in a kernel API.
> Timing info is plugged in by software, but must be very high-precision
> and so should probably be handled by the kernel (by sticking a
> gettimeofday()-derived timestamp on input data points).

Yup.  More on time stamps below.


I'm a bit skeptical about pen color: are there devices that can change
colors of pens dynamically?  Can they change pen types dynamically?
If yes, then I suppose the data might be packed into each event, and
if no, just via an interface to determine once...

> 
> Good ink display is also best done with a sub-pixel coordinate system,
> for the same reasons that sub-pixel sampling is good for antialiasing
> and other graphical effects.
> 
> In writing a digitizer driver API, there are a few main things to keep
> in mind:
> 
> -- Allow room for plenty of resolution, and don't assume pixel coords
>    will equal digitizer coords.
> 
> -- Timestamps are important because they allow pen velocity to be
>    measured.

Yes.  I agree completely.  X needs timestamps associated with
device events to allow proper serialization among different devices
as well.

So I think timestamps should present in device driver events  I can try 
work around their absense, but it is a pain, and always more questionable 
than if the device driver generates the timestamps itself.  In short, 
user space timestamps are fundamentally unreliable and don't work well...
The next question is units: is more than a millisecond resolution time
stamp needed?  Or do we return a struct timeval?  (another 64 bits on
32 bit machines).  X's timestamps are a 32 bit value in milliseconds,
(32 bits).

Just go the the Linux kernel list, where they are discussing worst case
latencies for user space stuff at the moment: while they are working
to minimize the latencies, the worst case are frightenly high.
> 
> -- Allow room for expansion to new data types in the API (for instance,
>    pen pressure info).  Translation: pad structures a little :-).  I
>    wouldn't want to try to overdesign this; that way lies X.  I would
>    at read a bunch of data sheets before trying to settle on a canonical
>    API, though.

We did allow for new datatypes and padded structures in X.  The core X
stuff isn't so badly overdesigned, but some of the extensions went of the
deep end...
 
> 
> -- Some digitizers have non-linear input systems and need input munging
>    beyond the simple device-independant translation/rotation/deskew that
>    calibration can provide.  Most devices work fine with the equivalent
>    of a single affine transform at most, but I know of at least one
>    shipping touchscreen PDA/phone in Japan that essentially requires a
>    system of linear equations to normalize coordinates, and also has
>    two "dead zones" that must be worked around.

Question: is a single affine transform going to get more than 90% of the
devices out there?  If so, lets run with this, and be done with it; leave
the others to suffer for their own sins of bad hardware...

> 
>    A driver API should be clear about whether it normalizes coordinates
>    (in which case it must be possible to feed it calibration points from
>    a userspace app) or whether it passes raw digitizer input to higher
>    layers (in which case those layers must have hardware-dependent
>    code--this is the gpm approach).
> 

I believe it is important that things be "sane" when you power up a system.
To me, this means that I need to be told somehow how to convert hardware
device coordinates to something that applications (read X) can use. 

This argues to me to report the raw coordinates to user space, along with
calibration data (which can be approximate when first started, but then
updated with correct values if the user recalibrates the device).

Since you might (or might not) run a calibration application under a window
system, I think there should be a way to set the default calibration
information in the driver, rather than have to recalibrate for each
application that comes along.  In some sense, this is rediculous (since
all the calls would be doing is saving information for later), but the
practical impact is large.  Saving the information between processes is
non-trivial...

And for the record, devices that spew events continuously forever should
be banned: it is certainly the case that this should not cause user space
processes to be woken up continuously to deal with (non)events they don't
care about. Informing applications that nothing has changed is brain-death
beyond belief.  (not on my battery power, you don't!).

And yes, the kernel should buffer events for clients: clients get busy
for a while, and it is much cheaper to to pick up a bunch of events at
once when you are busy than handle them one at a time.  This minimizes
the overhead when you need to minimize it (when you are busy).
			- Jim

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Jim Gettys wrote:
> 
> > The type of information you get out a digitizer varies from coarse
> > worse-than-pixel resolution (this type might be used in a greasy-sceen
> > supermarket kiosk) to a current peak of about 10,000 lines per inch
> > (for high-end graphic artist drawing tablets).
> 
> 10K LPI!!!!  I don't believe they could possibly really be at that
> resolution, though the hardware might make claims to be that high...
> 
Actually, from experience with digitizing tablets for CAD which use
similar technology, the resolution is near that.

> The second question is how large do tablets get?
> 
I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen them as
large as 48"x36".

-Steve

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This seems to be the same problem I'm having.  
Does anyone with a working ebsa-285 setup have it
working on the newer revision of the board
(Intel rather than Dec names, 21285-AB rather than
21285-AA)

-Jacob

Mathias Teikari <mathias.teikari@telscom.ch> writes:

> Hi all,
> 
> Has anybody had a working EBSA-285 setup with Intel's EEPro100 NICs?
> 
> I am using a 2.2.15 kernel patched with patch-2.2.15-rmk1 (because I
> need a 2.2 kernel at this point) and ebsa285-bios-1.06 w. diff2
> patch.
> The eepro100 driver is compiled into the kernel because I want to
> mount an NFS root fs.
> 
> Now, the problem.. The cards won't initialise properly, or at least
> that is what the kernel thinks.
> 
> ...
> POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
> PCI: Probing PCI hardware
> pci_scan_bus for bus 0
> PCI: 00:38 [8086/1229]
> PCI: pci_scan_bus returning with max=00
> Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
> Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
> NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
> NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
> IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
> TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
> Starting kswapd v 1.5
> RAM disk driver initialized:  1 RAM disks of 4096K size
> Found Intel i82557 PCI Speedo at I/O 0xe1800000, IRQ 22.
>   PCI latency timer (CFLT) is 0x20.
> eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker
> http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers
> /eepro100.html
> eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.20.2.3 $ 2000/03/02 Modified by Andrey V.
> Savochkin <saw@sa
> w.sw.com.sg> and others
> eth0: Intel PCI EtherExpress Pro100 at 0xe1800000,
> 00:90:27:8C:D8:6B, IRQ 22.
>   Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
>   Board assembly 721383-006, Physical connectors present: RJ45
>   Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
> Self test failed, status ffffffff:
>  Failure to initialize the i82557.
>  Verify that the card is in a bus-master capable slot.
> ...
> 
> I know that the hardware is OK because it's running when using
> another OS (in house developed mini-OS).
> 
> A thought that crossed my mind is address mapping problems
> (PCI-SDRAM et vice-versa) or some other setup of the CSRs.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
>     Mathias
> 
> 
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On pen color:

There are devices that can track different pen colors.  The mimio whiteboard
capture unit from Virtual Ink tracks multiple pens.  See www.mimio.com.

-Jamey

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>>>>> "Steve" == Steve Hill <sjhill@cotw.com> writes:

 Steve> Jim Gettys wrote:
 >>  > The type of information you get out a digitizer varies from
 >> coarse > worse-than-pixel resolution (this type might be used in a
 >> greasy-sceen > supermarket kiosk) to a current peak of about
 >> 10,000 lines per inch > (for high-end graphic artist drawing
 >> tablets).
 >> 
 >> 10K LPI!!!!  I don't believe they could possibly really be at that
 >> resolution, though the hardware might make claims to be that
 >> high...
 >> 
 Steve> Actually, from experience with digitizing tablets for CAD
 Steve> which use similar technology, the resolution is near that.

Of course accuracy isn't anywhere near that, but so long as the device
is monotonic, having the extra bits is potentially useful.

 >> The second question is how large do tablets get?
 >> 
 Steve> I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen
 Steve> them as large as 48"x36".

I've seen them quite a lot bigger than that.  I remember pictures of
tablets used for work on maps that were clearly bigger than a standard
old-time draftman's drafting table.  Maybe six feet or so longest
dimension, perhaps even more.

My strong prerefence is to play it safe.  Squeezing coordinates into
16 bits doesn't buy much and it's sufficiently close to the edge that
32 bits is clearly the safer answer.

 Jim> I'm a bit skeptical about pen color: are there devices that can
 Jim> change colors of pens dynamically?  Can they change pen types
 Jim> dynamically?  If yes, then I suppose the data might be packed
 Jim> into each event, and if no, just via an interface to determine
 Jim> once...

Pen type -- definitely.  Consider the Wacom tablet, popular among
graphic artists on PCs and Macs.  They come with several pen types
(pen, puck, airbrush).  Also, the pen has an "erasers" on the other
end, so you can flip it over to erase.  That's a property seen across
the API.

I vaguely remember seeing mention of Wacom support in Linux and
possibly in X.  Certainly that device would be an important test case
for any API, along with the perhaps more familiar architect-style puck
tablets.  The sort of parameters that the Wacom device sends relate to
its need to emulate artist tools.  Take a look at the "airbrush".  I
don't have one, my Wacom is too old.  But a regular "double action"
airbrush (the non-computer kind) has two control inputs apart from
position: air volume and paint volume, which are independent.  And
position is in three coordinates, not just two (distance from the
paper matters a lot).  If the Wacom device emulates all that, it means
that each sample would consist of five analog values (x, y, z, air,
paint).

Hm.  Off the wall thought.  Would it make sense for a digitizer API to
be applicable to 3d input devices as well, things like 3d pointers,
sensor gloves, stuff like that?  There seems to be a lot of overlap,
but it may be too much of a distraction.

    paul


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Paul Koning wrote:
> 
> Of course accuracy isn't anywhere near that, but so long as the device
> is monotonic, having the extra bits is potentially useful.
> 
I would agree.

>  Steve> I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen
>  Steve> them as large as 48"x36".
> 
> I've seen them quite a lot bigger than that.  I remember pictures of
> tablets used for work on maps that were clearly bigger than a standard
> old-time draftman's drafting table.  Maybe six feet or so longest
> dimension, perhaps even more.
> 
Whoops, I forgot about the mapping agencies too.

> My strong prerefence is to play it safe.  Squeezing coordinates into
> 16 bits doesn't buy much and it's sufficiently close to the edge that
> 32 bits is clearly the safer answer.
> 
You've got my vote for it.

> I vaguely remember seeing mention of Wacom support in Linux and
> possibly in X.  Certainly that device would be an important test case
> for any API, along with the perhaps more familiar architect-style puck
> tablets.  The sort of parameters that the Wacom device sends relate to
> its need to emulate artist tools.  Take a look at the "airbrush".  I
> don't have one, my Wacom is too old.  But a regular "double action"
> airbrush (the non-computer kind) has two control inputs apart from
> position: air volume and paint volume, which are independent.  And
> position is in three coordinates, not just two (distance from the
> paper matters a lot).  If the Wacom device emulates all that, it means
> that each sample would consist of five analog values (x, y, z, air,
> paint).
> 
Owen Tayler maintains the XInput HOWTO document which you can find at (http://www.gtk.org/~otaylor/xinput/howto/). I haven't looked at in a
while though. It appears support is there for Wacom and Summagraphics
just to name a few. This uses X to handle the data i.e. the user land
side which goes back to an earlier comment by Brad that the data should
come raw from the kernel to be handled by the application.

> Hm.  Off the wall thought.  Would it make sense for a digitizer API to
> be applicable to 3d input devices as well, things like 3d pointers,
> sensor gloves, stuff like that?  There seems to be a lot of overlap,
> but it may be too much of a distraction.
> 
I would have to say no. Something says to me "no" because things start
popping in my head like Euler angles, infancy IMHO of 3d input devices,
etc. I would be interested in other peoples thoughts, but we should
probably start a different thread.

-Steve

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I can second that, i currently own an Calcomp/Sumagraphics Digitizer, and we get
about 12,000
lpi, and its a 60"x48". It comes in handy for several things, especially for
making 3D Digital Terrain Models by quickly tracing contours off a land plot
plan.

-Nick





Steve Hill <sjhill@cotw.com> on 07/12/2000 02:39:46 PM

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Jim Gettys wrote:
>
> > The type of information you get out a digitizer varies from coarse
> > worse-than-pixel resolution (this type might be used in a greasy-sceen
> > supermarket kiosk) to a current peak of about 10,000 lines per inch
> > (for high-end graphic artist drawing tablets).
>
> 10K LPI!!!!  I don't believe they could possibly really be at that
> resolution, though the hardware might make claims to be that high...
>
Actually, from experience with digitizing tablets for CAD which use
similar technology, the resolution is near that.

> The second question is how large do tablets get?
>
I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen them as
large as 48"x36".

-Steve

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In message <14700.49335.307702.539603@xedia.com> Paul Koning writes:
:  Steve> I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen
:  Steve> them as large as 48"x36".
: 
: I've seen them quite a lot bigger than that.  I remember pictures of
: tablets used for work on maps that were clearly bigger than a standard
: old-time draftman's drafting table.  Maybe six feet or so longest
: dimension, perhaps even more.

Back in school in the late 1980's, one of my jobs was to get a
digitizer table working.  While it didn't use a pen stylus, it was
6'x4' and had a resolution of about .001".  Its coordinate space was
something like 75000x50000.  There were larger tables at the time (on
the order of 12'x8') that were talked about in the manual that had an
even better resolution, but they were mondo expensive so we didn't
have one :-)

Warner

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So what you are saying is that something like xscribble becomes central
to input in general on handheld devices: it takes relatively raw input
and then tells X what to do when it needs to.  Building it into the
core X server seems wrong to me: by definition, we won't get it right:
I think we should regard it as though it were a window manager: a separate
application providing some of the UI.

The issue I see is how to arbitrate among more than one application that
might want/need the high resolution digitizer device...  We'll certainly
be running something like scribble continuously, but other apps may need
more than what the X core protocol gives them.  If the Xinput stuff can
adaquately handle this situation (other applications in addition to
the scribble app), then we have a rational course of action.

I guess it is time to go look at the Input extension and see if it can 
deal with digitizers adequately in the general case and whether it has 
any grab/replay notion.  My book is at home, I'll try to remember to get 
a copy and stare at it some tomorrow.

					- Jim


> Sender: handhelds-admin@handhelds.org
> From: Keith Packard <keithp@suse.com>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:05:44 -0700
> To: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys)
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>         linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu, handhelds@handhelds.org
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> -----
> > There are two interfaces in X that have to be built: one in which the touch
> > screen is being used as the primary pointer, and then some other way to
> > deal with it in all its glory, almost certainly via the X Input extension.
> 
> I've been thinking more about input recently, and it's less than clear
> that the input extension is sufficient for pen-based devices.  Because the
> input device is so limited, I believe that a significant amount of policy
> will be required to distinguish between gestures intended as text input
> and gestures intended for pointer input.
> 
> In addition, we need support for a digital ink "overlay". One of the
> important HWR lessons I learned from the Itsy was that graffiti with
> feedback is much more reliable than without.
> 
> It's almost as if a separate app should be reading the touch screen and
> selectively synthesizing pointer and keyboard events; drawing digital
> ink on the screen to help make HWR usable.  Perhaps a portion of this app
> could be done within the X server using a grab/queuing mechanism similar
> to the core grabs.
> 
> Here's an idea -- have pen-down events cause raw input to be directed at
> the external agent and simultaneously queued within the server.  The agent
> could then monitor the gesture and at some point decide whether to echo
> with digital ink, and finally decide whether to forward the entire queued
> event stream on to the X pointer input queue or send it along for HWR. The
> server could echo the ink itself or we could let the agent generate X
> protocol for that.
> 
> keithp@suse.com		XFree86 Core Team	SuSE, Inc.
> 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Gettys" <jg@pa.dec.com>
To: "Mike Touloumtzis" <miket@bluemug.com>
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> >    A driver API should be clear about whether it normalizes coordinates
> >    (in which case it must be possible to feed it calibration points from
> >    a userspace app) or whether it passes raw digitizer input to higher
> >    layers (in which case those layers must have hardware-dependent
> >    code--this is the gpm approach).
> >
>
> I believe it is important that things be "sane" when you power up a
system.
> To me, this means that I need to be told somehow how to convert hardware
> device coordinates to something that applications (read X) can use.
>
> This argues to me to report the raw coordinates to user space, along with
> calibration data (which can be approximate when first started, but then
> updated with correct values if the user recalibrates the device).

/etc/pointercal

> Since you might (or might not) run a calibration application under a
window
> system, I think there should be a way to set the default calibration
> information in the driver, rather than have to recalibrate for each
> application that comes along.  In some sense, this is rediculous (since
> all the calls would be doing is saving information for later), but the
> practical impact is large.  Saving the information between processes is
> non-trivial...

echo ... > /etc/pointercal

Regards,
Brad


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> So what you are saying is that something like xscribble becomes central
> to input in general on handheld devices: it takes relatively raw input
> and then tells X what to do when it needs to.  Building it into the
> core X server seems wrong to me: by definition, we won't get it right:
> I think we should regard it as though it were a window manager: a separate
> application providing some of the UI.

With help from the server for queuing and resending events.  One tricky 
part will be to get it to work in the presence of server grabs...

> The issue I see is how to arbitrate among more than one application that
> might want/need the high resolution digitizer device...

That's separate from input management, lets see if that can be made to use 
the X input extension.

keithp@suse.com		XFree86 Core Team	SuSE, Inc.



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From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
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You need to add all the cache coherency handling into the driver for it to
work properly with ARM processors.

If you'd use a 2.4.x kernel, everything is already done for you.


On 12 Jul 2000, Jacob Strauss wrote:

> 
> This seems to be the same problem I'm having.  
> Does anyone with a working ebsa-285 setup have it
> working on the newer revision of the board
> (Intel rather than Dec names, 21285-AB rather than
> 21285-AA)
> 
> -Jacob
> 
> Mathias Teikari <mathias.teikari@telscom.ch> writes:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Has anybody had a working EBSA-285 setup with Intel's EEPro100 NICs?
> > 
> > I am using a 2.2.15 kernel patched with patch-2.2.15-rmk1 (because I
> > need a 2.2 kernel at this point) and ebsa285-bios-1.06 w. diff2
> > patch.
> > The eepro100 driver is compiled into the kernel because I want to
> > mount an NFS root fs.
> > 
> > Now, the problem.. The cards won't initialise properly, or at least
> > that is what the kernel thinks.
> > 
> > ...
> > POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
> > PCI: Probing PCI hardware
> > pci_scan_bus for bus 0
> > PCI: 00:38 [8086/1229]
> > PCI: pci_scan_bus returning with max=00
> > Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
> > Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
> > NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
> > NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
> > IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
> > TCP: Hash tables configured (ehash 16384 bhash 16384)
> > Starting kswapd v 1.5
> > RAM disk driver initialized:  1 RAM disks of 4096K size
> > Found Intel i82557 PCI Speedo at I/O 0xe1800000, IRQ 22.
> >   PCI latency timer (CFLT) is 0x20.
> > eepro100.c:v1.09j-t 9/29/99 Donald Becker
> > http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers
> > /eepro100.html
> > eepro100.c: $Revision: 1.20.2.3 $ 2000/03/02 Modified by Andrey V.
> > Savochkin <saw@sa
> > w.sw.com.sg> and others
> > eth0: Intel PCI EtherExpress Pro100 at 0xe1800000,
> > 00:90:27:8C:D8:6B, IRQ 22.
> >   Receiver lock-up bug exists -- enabling work-around.
> >   Board assembly 721383-006, Physical connectors present: RJ45
> >   Primary interface chip i82555 PHY #1.
> > Self test failed, status ffffffff:
> >  Failure to initialize the i82557.
> >  Verify that the card is in a bus-master capable slot.
> > ...
> > 
> > I know that the hardware is OK because it's running when using
> > another OS (in house developed mini-OS).
> > 
> > A thought that crossed my mind is address mapping problems
> > (PCI-SDRAM et vice-versa) or some other setup of the CSRs.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> >     Mathias
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> >  +---------------------------------------------------------+      .--.
> >  | Mathias Teikari           mathias.teikari@telscom.ch    |     |o_o |
> >  | Ba. Sc. EE.               Office Ph: +41 (0)31 376 2030 |     |:_/ |
> >  | SW Development Engineer   Mobile Ph: +41 (0)76 541 9449 |    //   \ \
> >  | Telscom AG                Sandrainstr. 17, CH-3007 Bern |   (|     | )
> >  |                                                         |  /'\_   _/`\
> >  +---------------- http://www.telscom.ch ------------------+  \___)=(___/
> > 
> > 
> > 
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In message <200007121938.MAA19606@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> Jim Gettys writes:
: So what you are saying is that something like xscribble becomes central
: to input in general on handheld devices: it takes relatively raw input
: and then tells X what to do when it needs to.  Building it into the
: core X server seems wrong to me: by definition, we won't get it right:
: I think we should regard it as though it were a window manager: a separate
: application providing some of the UI.
: 
: The issue I see is how to arbitrate among more than one application that
: might want/need the high resolution digitizer device...  We'll certainly
: be running something like scribble continuously, but other apps may need
: more than what the X core protocol gives them.  If the Xinput stuff can
: adaquately handle this situation (other applications in addition to
: the scribble app), then we have a rational course of action.
: 
: I guess it is time to go look at the Input extension and see if it can 
: deal with digitizers adequately in the general case and whether it has 
: any grab/replay notion.  My book is at home, I'll try to remember to get 
: a copy and stare at it some tomorrow.

For what is worth....

I have a program that will read the newton keyboard input stream and
feed it to the X server via the XInput extention.  It deals well with
all key events that I throw at it, as well as dealing fairly well with
the kludge mouse events that I had in it for a while (I ripped them
out because I could more easily do mouselike things with the keyboard
via window manager mappings, etc).  This stuff is much lower
resolution than the digitizer input that you're talking about, but it
does show that at least investigation down this path might be
warranted.

This works well.  It certaily is entertaining to have two different
keyboards that both do the right thing.  I'm even able to use the
serial keyboard on machine X to control the X server on machine Y.  It
is very flexible, at least for keyboard input.

I'd imagine that scribble would recognize the drawn letters and conver
them to key press key release events.  I'd also imagine that a virtual
keyboard would do the same sort of thing.

Warner

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> 
> I'd imagine that scribble would recognize the drawn letters and conver
> them to key press key release events.  I'd also imagine that a virtual
> keyboard would do the same sort of thing.
> 

This is exactly how xscribble works: the source is in the handhelds.org 
CVS repository.  So you don't need to imagine: you need to compile and
run it instead....

xscribble synthesizes input sends it back to the X server to go to the right
application. xscribble is the name of the application that does this that
we've demoed on Itsy, and which is now on the iPAQ (and feel free to port
it elsewhere). 

We haven't done a virtual keyboard (yet).  Any volunteers?

					- Jim

--
Jim Gettys
Technology and Corporate Development
Compaq Computer Corporation
jg@pa.dec.com


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Yes, I've been using 2.4.0-test3-pre7-rmk1, with the both 3c905c and
eepro100, and tried turning the dcache off (nocache_setup in mm-armv.c)
with no changes.  So I think that ought to rule out cache problems.

-Jacob

Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org> writes:

> You need to add all the cache coherency handling into the driver for it to
> work properly with ARM processors.
> 
> If you'd use a 2.4.x kernel, everything is already done for you.
> 
> 

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From: "Vadim Lebedev" <vlebedev@aplio.fr>
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Subject: RE: [Handhelds] Re: Touch Screen Driver Generic Interface for all Linux SA11x0 platforms.
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Just my 2 cents
I think that it will be good idea to design the API not only fow only for 2D
tablets
but also for 3D (or maybe even generic N-D) input devices....


Vadim
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Paul Koning wrote:
>
> Of course accuracy isn't anywhere near that, but so long as the device
> is monotonic, having the extra bits is potentially useful.
>
I would agree.

>  Steve> I used tablets that were 12"x12" and 36"x24", but I have seen
>  Steve> them as large as 48"x36".
>
> I've seen them quite a lot bigger than that.  I remember pictures of
> tablets used for work on maps that were clearly bigger than a standard
> old-time draftman's drafting table.  Maybe six feet or so longest
> dimension, perhaps even more.
>
Whoops, I forgot about the mapping agencies too.

> My strong prerefence is to play it safe.  Squeezing coordinates into
> 16 bits doesn't buy much and it's sufficiently close to the edge that
> 32 bits is clearly the safer answer.
>
You've got my vote for it.

> I vaguely remember seeing mention of Wacom support in Linux and
> possibly in X.  Certainly that device would be an important test case
> for any API, along with the perhaps more familiar architect-style puck
> tablets.  The sort of parameters that the Wacom device sends relate to
> its need to emulate artist tools.  Take a look at the "airbrush".  I
> don't have one, my Wacom is too old.  But a regular "double action"
> airbrush (the non-computer kind) has two control inputs apart from
> position: air volume and paint volume, which are independent.  And
> position is in three coordinates, not just two (distance from the
> paper matters a lot).  If the Wacom device emulates all that, it means
> that each sample would consist of five analog values (x, y, z, air,
> paint).
>
Owen Tayler maintains the XInput HOWTO document which you can find at
(http://www.gtk.org/~otaylor/xinput/howto/). I haven't looked at in a
while though. It appears support is there for Wacom and Summagraphics
just to name a few. This uses X to handle the data i.e. the user land
side which goes back to an earlier comment by Brad that the data should
come raw from the kernel to be handled by the application.

> Hm.  Off the wall thought.  Would it make sense for a digitizer API to
> be applicable to 3d input devices as well, things like 3d pointers,
> sensor gloves, stuff like that?  There seems to be a lot of overlap,
> but it may be too much of a distraction.
>
I would have to say no. Something says to me "no" because things start
popping in my head like Euler angles, infancy IMHO of 3d input devices,
etc. I would be interested in other peoples thoughts, but we should
probably start a different thread.

-Steve

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Hi,

A few people asked about this, so I thought I'd put it up for ftp.

I did an basic port of the Itsy usb function driver for the ARM SA-1100 to
2.4.0-test-blah.  It's working now on a slightly out of rev 2.4.0-test2
tree.

It implements a basic ethernet interface complete with and eth0
interface.  I've not tried to pass packets to it (yet) but will in the
next week or two.  I don't know what the DECWRL folks talked to with
it.  Persumably they wrote some host code.  I plan to implement the
other side shortly.

It does come up and talk to another usb host, takes an address and
gives back it's config info, so the basics are working.

here are diffs against a -test2 tree:

	ftp://ftp.parker.boston.ma.us/pub/arm/usbfunc.diffs.gz

here are the raw files:

	ftp://ftp.parker.boston.ma.us/pub/arm/usbfunc.tar.gz

If the diffs fail, I am sorry - I recently discovered that my -test2
may be stock from "ftp.kernel.org" with no/few arm patches.

-brad

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   It implements a basic ethernet interface complete with and eth0
   interface.  I've not tried to pass packets to it (yet) but will in the
   next week or two.  I don't know what the DECWRL folks talked to with
   it.  Persumably they wrote some host code.  I plan to implement the
   other side shortly.

We talk to it using either Linux (2.3.34) on an x86 PC or Windows 95/2000.
I haven't used the windows version myself, so I don't know anything about
it.  Yes, we wrote some host code for the linux setup, but it's flaky (the
host machine crashes fairly often while using usb to the itsy), but if you
think it would be useful I can see if I can dig it up and get it posted
somewhere. 

			-Debby



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Hi all:
   Sorry for the cross post, I have a linux running in Sa1110 assabet with
socket comm. LP-CF ethernetcard. I am using kernel 2.4.0-test1. I played
with it for a week until now my eth0 device are up, and everything seems
fine, no error message when boot up. thanks for Nico and Jeff for their big
help. I found some weird problems regarding the network.
   1) when I ping localhost, I can send and get the reply, however I got the
warning message when  each packet is received "WARING: received unknown ICMP
packet"
   2) I can logon to other machines through telnet, no problem, however, I
can only logon to SA1110 by telnet at the first time, after that the telnet
window display "Escape character is ^]" and stucked. it seems the connection
is established but the data transmission has some problems. 
   any idea?
thank you !
   
Lei Sun

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I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....

I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
@ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.

The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
'data' files.

I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell the
linker to treat it as just data.

$file image1
image1:data

$arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status



INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)

OUTPUT (bigimage)

SECTIONS 
{
	output :
	{
		image1
		. = 0x3800;
		image2
		. = 0x4000;
		image3
		. = 0x1000;
		image4
		. = 0x100000;
		image5
	}
}

-------------------------------
Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
linker?

Thanks,
SAM

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S A McConnell wrote:
> 
> I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> 
> I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
> @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.
> 
> The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> 'data' files.
> 
> I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell the
> linker to treat it as just data.
> 
> $file image1
> image1:data
> 
> $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> 
> INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> 
> OUTPUT (bigimage)
> 
> SECTIONS
> {
>         output :
>         {
>                 image1
>                 . = 0x3800;
>                 image2
>                 . = 0x4000;
>                 image3
>                 . = 0x1000;
>                 image4
>                 . = 0x100000;
>                 image5
>         }
> }
> 
> -------------------------------
> Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> linker?



Well, you are on the right track if the images were object files which
contained symbolic info identifying segments within the files.  If that
were the case, then you would need to create and 'ld' file that
specified which segment got placed into where.

But, if your file is pure, raw, binary data, I would suggest that you
write a quick program, or script, to append extra bytes to each image,
then cat them together.  Use 'dd' to spec the number & value of the
appended padding.


TomW


> 
> Thanks,
> SAM
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Hi,

I just received my Intel SA1110/SA1111 development board and have
succeeded in booting and running a Linux kernel on it using the
angelboot utility and the ramdisk image from Nico.

But after the kernel booting messages have passed by and the init
program is run there are all sorts of extra characters in the
output of my minicom session. I can log in as root and execute
commands just fine, but the output doesn't make much sense.

Below is an example of what it looks like when I log in as root
and execute the command 'ls ..'. (Provided MS Outlook what I have
to use here :( doesn't f*ck things up....)

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
IN%£M.ùveÉ.Kzr.&æÑ3..bo½¢Jr;ÿ 68k initê
IN%£M.ùEnt..Jr;.&asc*²+b....
ÿSÑ
   .¢Jr;.6.*j.Æ..¶¶.9:.ÿ sysl½:#ÿ
ÿSÑ
   .¢Jr;...R4..seÉ²K*...ù i.+¢"ÿ
ÿ
ÿLi.«..Æ..¶.o:.ÿrÿoÿoÿtÿ
ÿ[r½z¢..ZM[7../r½z¢ê.ñlÿs .ÿ.ÿ
ÿl½.£Zd.S7..de....2..    eÑ...2..    var....2..   usr....2..   l¥.kL.nl.n        bi....2..    r½z¢...2..   r....2...


Now my question is, is there a way to clean up the output of
the development board? Did I miss a setting or trick somewhere
that can perform this task? Is there a FAQ I should have read?

Thanks in advance for any response,

Best regards,


Arjan Opmeer




P.s. Could the kind soul answering this question also please cc
a reply to my email address as I am not subscribed to this list
(yet).

(I really don't mind being subscribed to a mailing list, but I
don't know whether I want to use MS Outlook on an Exchange server
to receive the email. I'll have to look into that...)





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Sam, 
     I had same problem, and while I am sure there must be a more elegant
way, I ended up doing as Tom suggested. I did a make on the images
seperatly, The boot part set with ld_script to 0x00, the second image set to
a ram location. My little script then checked sizes and combined images.


 #!/bin/sh
# little script gets size of first  from current dir
# and size of second from different source tree
#copies first to a file, pads it out, then adds second


size_boot=`ls -l boot_obj|awk '{print $5}' `
size_top=`ls -l /usr/src/zblob/src/util.obj|awk '{print $5}' `
#copy first object
dd if=boot_obj of=sboot
#pad with zeroes to 64K

dd bs=1c if=/dev/zero of=sboot seek=$size_boot count=$((65536-$size_boot))
# seek to boundry, copy second file
dd bs=1c if=/usr/src/zblob/src/util.obj  of=sboot seek=65536c
count=$size_top



uuencode sboot  freddy > sboot.uu



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Walsh
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Subject: Re: Need method to combine multiple binary images into one. (ld?)

S A McConnell wrote:
> 
> I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> 
> I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0,
Image2
> @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each
image.
> 
> The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> 'data' files.
> 
> I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell
the
> linker to treat it as just data.
> 
> $file image1
> image1:data
> 
> $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> 
> INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> 
> OUTPUT (bigimage)
> 
> SECTIONS
> {
>         output :
>         {
>                 image1
>                 . = 0x3800;
>                 image2
>                 . = 0x4000;
>                 image3
>                 . = 0x1000;
>                 image4
>                 . = 0x100000;
>                 image5
>         }
> }
> 
> -------------------------------
> Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> linker?



Well, you are on the right track if the images were object files which
contained symbolic info identifying segments within the files.  If that
were the case, then you would need to create and 'ld' file that
specified which segment got placed into where.

But, if your file is pure, raw, binary data, I would suggest that you
write a quick program, or script, to append extra bytes to each image,
then cat them together.  Use 'dd' to spec the number & value of the
appended padding.


TomW


> 
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> SAM
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"Arjan Opmeer (EMN)" wrote:

> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> IN%M.ve.Kzr.&3..boJr; 68k init
> IN%M.Ent..Jr;.&asc*+b....
> S
>    .Jr;.6.*j....9:. sysl:#
> S
>    .Jr;...R4..seK*... i.+"
> 
> Li......o:.root
> [rz..ZM[7../rz.ls ..
> l.Zd.S7..de....2..    e...2..    var....2..   usr....2..   l.kL.nl.n        bi....2..    rz...2..   r....2...

You're using 2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3, aren't you? =)

(I thought I was losing it yesterday when both my Assabet and Neponset started to do this.)

Back out to -np1; -np3 has some fairly substantial changes in the serial character driver which may require some
sorting.

-jd


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arm-linux-objcopy.

--George

George France,      france@crl.dec.com
Cambridge Research Laboratory, Compaq Computer Corporation
One Cambridgecenter    MS: CRL
Cambridge, MA 02142 USA



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:21 AM
To: samcconn@cotw.com
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Subject: Re: Need method to combine multiple binary images into one.
(ld?)


S A McConnell wrote:
> 
> I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> 
> I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
> @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.
> 
> The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> 'data' files.
> 
> I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell the
> linker to treat it as just data.
> 
> $file image1
> image1:data
> 
> $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> 
> INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> 
> OUTPUT (bigimage)
> 
> SECTIONS
> {
>         output :
>         {
>                 image1
>                 . = 0x3800;
>                 image2
>                 . = 0x4000;
>                 image3
>                 . = 0x1000;
>                 image4
>                 . = 0x100000;
>                 image5
>         }
> }
> 
> -------------------------------
> Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> linker?



Well, you are on the right track if the images were object files which
contained symbolic info identifying segments within the files.  If that
were the case, then you would need to create and 'ld' file that
specified which segment got placed into where.

But, if your file is pure, raw, binary data, I would suggest that you
write a quick program, or script, to append extra bytes to each image,
then cat them together.  Use 'dd' to spec the number & value of the
appended padding.


TomW


> 
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> SAM
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George France wrote:
> 
> arm-linux-objcopy.


I did not want to mention that utility, I do use it for the uClinux on
my 68EZ328 based design to create the S19 records to load into my
flash.  I found the docu on the utility to be a bit cryptic and after
experimenting with it, gave up, and kept to the S19 record output it
gave.

Sometimes 'brute force' is the more elegant approach? ;-)

Regards,

TomW



> 
> --George
> 
> George France,      france@crl.dec.com
> Cambridge Research Laboratory, Compaq Computer Corporation
> One Cambridgecenter    MS: CRL
> Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Walsh [mailto:tom@cyberiansoftware.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:21 AM
> To: samcconn@cotw.com
> Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu
> Subject: Re: Need method to combine multiple binary images into one.
> (ld?)
> 
> S A McConnell wrote:
> >
> > I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> >
> > I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> > loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> > single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
> > @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.
> >
> > The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> > 'data' files.
> >
> > I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> > format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell the
> > linker to treat it as just data.
> >
> > $file image1
> > image1:data
> >
> > $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> > image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> >
> > INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> >
> > OUTPUT (bigimage)
> >
> > SECTIONS
> > {
> >         output :
> >         {
> >                 image1
> >                 . = 0x3800;
> >                 image2
> >                 . = 0x4000;
> >                 image3
> >                 . = 0x1000;
> >                 image4
> >                 . = 0x100000;
> >                 image5
> >         }
> > }
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> > linker?
> 
> Well, you are on the right track if the images were object files which
> contained symbolic info identifying segments within the files.  If that
> were the case, then you would need to create and 'ld' file that
> specified which segment got placed into where.
> 
> But, if your file is pure, raw, binary data, I would suggest that you
> write a quick program, or script, to append extra bytes to each image,
> then cat them together.  Use 'dd' to spec the number & value of the
> appended padding.
> 
> TomW
> 
> >
> > Thanks,
> > SAM
> >
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> ++
> > ++                        kernel-related discussions.
> ++
> 
> --
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> "Windows? No thanks, I have work to do..."
> 
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MN)" wrote:
> 
> > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> > IN%M.ve.Kzr.&3..boJr; 68k init
> > IN%M.Ent..Jr;.&asc*+b....
> > S
> >    .Jr;.6.*j....9:. sysl:#
> > S
> >    .Jr;...R4..seK*... i.+"
> > 
> > Li......o:.root
> > [rz..ZM[7../rz.ls ..
> > l.Zd.S7..de....2..    e...2..    var....2..   usr....2..   
> l.kL.nl.n        bi....2..    rz...2..   r....2...
> 
> You're using 2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3, aren't you? =)
> 
> (I thought I was losing it yesterday when both my Assabet and 
> Neponset started to do this.)
> 
> Back out to -np1; -np3 has some fairly substantial changes in 
> the serial character driver which may require some
> sorting.
> 
> -jd

I was going to suggest checking inittab on the ramdisk to see what the
gettys are doing.  Looks like something is fooling around with the serial
port settings when the tty's are starting up.  BTW my -np3 works fine except
for that problem Nico mentioned with keyboard escape sequences and the like
where two characters are sent back to back in quick succession.  No trouble
with output, though, and this is at 115200, n, 8, 1.  I need to track this
one down as we use serial I/O pretty extensively.

//Jeff


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Jeff Sutherland wrote:

> No trouble
> with output, though, and this is at 115200, n, 8, 1.  I need to track this
> one down as we use serial I/O pretty extensively.

That's interesting, because it looks to me as though -np3 cannot actually
implement that configuration (it doesn't believe in the "n").

The enclosed patch assumes that PARODD (or rather, its absence) does not imply
PARENB. It fixes the output strangeness on my Assabet and Assabet+Neponset.

-jd

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On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:

> Jeff Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > No trouble
> > with output, though, and this is at 115200, n, 8, 1.  I need to track this
> > one down as we use serial I/O pretty extensively.
> 
> That's interesting, because it looks to me as though -np3 cannot actually
> implement that configuration (it doesn't believe in the "n").

Oops... That's surely my fault.  

What's strange is that the output isn't garbled for me nor Jeff.  Only
today I received two reports of the serial port being broken but I still
can't make it to garble my output.

> The enclosed patch assumes that PARODD (or rather, its absence) does not imply
> PARENB. It fixes the output strangeness on my Assabet and Assabet+Neponset.

Thanks!
Now only the receive overflow has to be found... or maybe it's the same
problem?  ;-)  I'll try to confirm that tonight.



Nicolas


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On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, S A McConnell wrote:

> I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> 
> I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
> @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.


Easily done with:

	dd if=image1 of=result bs=1k
	dd if=image2 of=result bs=1k seek=14
	dd if=image3 of=result bs=1k seek=64
	...

The important thing is to apply each piece in offset order.


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I'm trying to compile some sort of history of Linux/ARM, and thus seeking
answers to questions like:

  - What was the very early history of the kernel?
  - When did binutils and gcc start supporting ARM-based formats?
  - Where did the first C library with ARM support come from?
  - (Tangentially) what other Unices ran on ARM before Linux?  (I count,
    I think, NetBSD/arm32, Minix, RISCiX?)

(Yes, I know there's some story on Russell's site, but it seems apocryphal.)

Anyone who fances a pint (or just some thanks) please drop me the answers
to any of these.  Oh, yeah; and a credit in an article.

c.


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Chris Rutter writes:
>   - What was the very early history of the kernel?
>   - When did binutils and gcc start supporting ARM-based formats?

See my site.

>   - Where did the first C library with ARM support come from?

It was a mini-C library written by me on the A5000 to get things just
"smash", the fileutils, etc going.

>   - (Tangentially) what other Unices ran on ARM before Linux?  (I count,
>     I think, NetBSD/arm32, Minix, RISCiX?)

Minix patches were available, and of course RISCiX.  NetBSD/arm32 was
in very early days (no console at least iirc).  I started the kernel
in early `94.

> (Yes, I know there's some story on Russell's site, but it seems apocryphal.)

Well, thanks a lot.  I've had to put up with a lot of arsey comments
over the past 6 years, and I certainly don't need people like you
trying to be offensive and down right rude to me, or trying to make
stuff I put on my site to be useful or interesting to be termed
"a work of fiction".

Why do you doubt it?  If you'd been at UKUUG Linux99, then you'd have
heard the full story, which starts off more or less with that.

Oh, and if you want to check up on the info on that page, you could
talk to either Martin Ebourne of !Zap fame, or Tim Chown, the
Electronics and Computer Science CS admin at Southampton University
(92 to at least 96).  Martin, however, has the most detailed
independent knowledge of the progress.

Oh, and please, don't write an apocryphal story about it, lest you
piss me off even more.  After all, there is only ONE person who can
really review such a story, and say "its accurate" isn't there?
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Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote:

> >   - (Tangentially) what other Unices ran on ARM before Linux?  (I count,
> >     I think, NetBSD/arm32, Minix, RISCiX?)
> 
> Minix patches were available, and of course RISCiX.  NetBSD/arm32 was
> in very early days (no console at least iirc).  I started the kernel
> in early `94.

I think at the same time you had stuff coming up on the A5K, NetBSD was
running kernel mode only on The RiscPC with a blob moving up and down
the screen to illustrate a process :)
Fun days :)

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Hi :
   Sorry for my lack of experience in linux. Can anybody tell me how to
expand the size of the ramdisk (downloaded from CMU website for arm-linux
kernel)? 
   
   Thank you ! 
Lei Sun


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	I have a program using libbfd which merges multiple elf (and other
format) executables into a single elf file. Each executable is given its
own program segment. If your interested look at
ftp://ftp.cse.unsw.edu.au/pub/users/awigins it's in the ediot*.tar.gz
archive.

	Cheers Adam

On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Jim Kasper wrote:

> Sam, 
>      I had same problem, and while I am sure there must be a more elegant
> way, I ended up doing as Tom suggested. I did a make on the images
> seperatly, The boot part set with ld_script to 0x00, the second image set to
> a ram location. My little script then checked sizes and combined images.
> 
> 
>  #!/bin/sh
> # little script gets size of first  from current dir
> # and size of second from different source tree
> #copies first to a file, pads it out, then adds second
> 
> 
> size_boot=`ls -l boot_obj|awk '{print $5}' `
> size_top=`ls -l /usr/src/zblob/src/util.obj|awk '{print $5}' `
> #copy first object
> dd if=boot_obj of=sboot
> #pad with zeroes to 64K
> 
> dd bs=1c if=/dev/zero of=sboot seek=$size_boot count=$((65536-$size_boot))
> # seek to boundry, copy second file
> dd bs=1c if=/usr/src/zblob/src/util.obj  of=sboot seek=65536c
> count=$size_top
> 
> 
> 
> uuencode sboot  freddy > sboot.uu
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Walsh
> To: samcconn@cotw.com
> Cc: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu
> Sent: 07/14/00 11:20
> Subject: Re: Need method to combine multiple binary images into one. (ld?)
> 
> S A McConnell wrote:
> > 
> > I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> > 
> > I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> > loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> > single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0,
> Image2
> > @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each
> image.
> > 
> > The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> > 'data' files.
> > 
> > I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> > format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell
> the
> > linker to treat it as just data.
> > 
> > $file image1
> > image1:data
> > 
> > $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> > image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> > 
> > INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> > 
> > OUTPUT (bigimage)
> > 
> > SECTIONS
> > {
> >         output :
> >         {
> >                 image1
> >                 . = 0x3800;
> >                 image2
> >                 . = 0x4000;
> >                 image3
> >                 . = 0x1000;
> >                 image4
> >                 . = 0x100000;
> >                 image5
> >         }
> > }
> > 
> > -------------------------------
> > Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> > linker?
> 
> 
> 
> Well, you are on the right track if the images were object files which
> contained symbolic info identifying segments within the files.  If that
> were the case, then you would need to create and 'ld' file that
> specified which segment got placed into where.
> 
> But, if your file is pure, raw, binary data, I would suggest that you
> write a quick program, or script, to append extra bytes to each image,
> then cat them together.  Use 'dd' to spec the number & value of the
> appended padding.
> 
> 
> TomW
> 
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > SAM
> > 
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"Sun, Lei" wrote:

> Hi :
>    Sorry for my lack of experience in linux. Can anybody tell me how to
> expand the size of the ramdisk (downloaded from CMU website for arm-linux
> kernel)?

Probably the easiest way is to `mkfs` a new ext2 filesystem on an unused ramdisk
device (e.g., /dev/ram0) which has the appropriate number of blocks.
(ramdisk_pcmcia.gz has 7500, for reference) If you're starting from an existing
filesystem, just mount the new device and the old ramdisk image, and transfer
the contents using a `tar` pipeline or similar.

Two limits of which to be aware:

1. On your development workstation, the default ramdisk size may be too small to
support a large image. You can pass an option to the kernel at boot time to
change this; in /etc/lilo.conf, `append="ramdisk_size=16384"` or the like will
deal with this.

2. On your ARM target, the amount of physical memory reserved for a ramdisk
image is hardwired into the kernel, if I recall correctly. I think it's
something like 3MB on Assabet, but you should double check this in
arch/arm/kernel just to be safe.

-jd


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On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:

> 2. On your ARM target, the amount of physical memory reserved for a ramdisk
> image is hardwired into the kernel, if I recall correctly. I think it's
> something like 3MB on Assabet, but you should double check this in
> arch/arm/kernel just to be safe.

Also note that this is a limit on the compressed initrd file.  The limit
on the filesystem itself is typically set to 8192KB for Assabet.


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On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:

> Jeff Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > No trouble
> > with output, though, and this is at 115200, n, 8, 1.  I need to track this
> > one down as we use serial I/O pretty extensively.
> 
> That's interesting, because it looks to me as though -np3 cannot actually
> implement that configuration (it doesn't believe in the "n").
> 
> The enclosed patch assumes that PARODD (or rather, its absence) does not imply
> PARENB. It fixes the output strangeness on my Assabet and Assabet+Neponset.

... and it fixes the more-than-two-characters-received problem too.  
The serial driver is fully working again.  Nice catch John!

My next patch should be less buggy than the two latest ones...  ;)


Nicolas


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On Sat, 15 Jul 2000, Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote:

> >   - When did binutils and gcc start supporting ARM-based formats?
> 
> See my site.

All you say is "At the start of 1995, GCC supported the ARM processors,
but binutils was lacking. [...] Binutils didn't have particularly
brilliant support for ARM - it didn't link the bl instruction properly."

I was really looking for something a bit more specific, like who
contributed this work to gcc and binutils, and for what purpose
originally.  I find it a bit unlikely that there would have been some
substantial amount of ARM support in these tools but that it was
heavily broken -- that doesn't make much sense!

> It was a mini-C library written by me on the A5000 to get things just
> "smash", the fileutils, etc going.

I was more after where the ARM support in libc4 came from, or equally
where NetBSD got its ARM support in its C library.  (I'm not sure about
the code topology sharing between NetBSD 1.0 and Linux 1.1's C libraries.)

> Minix patches were available, and of course RISCiX.  NetBSD/arm32 was
> in very early days (no console at least iirc).  I started the kernel
> in early `94.

Right; are there any details on these Minix patches?

And NetBSD/arm32 was, it seemed to me, out there and running X and
friends a year or few before Linux/ARM -- am I imagining this?

> > (Yes, I know there's some story on Russell's site, but it seems apocryphal.)
> 
> Well, thanks a lot.  I've had to put up with a lot of arsey comments
> over the past 6 years, and I certainly don't need people like you
> trying to be offensive and down right rude to me, or trying to make
> stuff I put on my site to be useful or interesting to be termed
> "a work of fiction".
> 
> Why do you doubt it?  If you'd been at UKUUG Linux99, then you'd have
> heard the full story, which starts off more or less with that.
> 
> Oh, and if you want to check up on the info on that page, you could
> talk to either Martin Ebourne of !Zap fame, or Tim Chown, the
> Electronics and Computer Science CS admin at Southampton University
> (92 to at least 96).  Martin, however, has the most detailed
> independent knowledge of the progress.
> 
> Oh, and please, don't write an apocryphal story about it, lest you
> piss me off even more.  After all, there is only ONE person who can
> really review such a story, and say "its accurate" isn't there?

I didn't term that story `a work of fiction'.  I said it /seemed/
apocryphal, meaning `of questionable authenticity', where I take
`authenticity' to mean `undisputed credibility'.

Given that story is only your account, having been ratified by no one
else to my knowledge, and also that parts of it seem a little strange
(other kernel hackers have cast doubt upon the ability of any version
of Norcroft C to compile /any/ version of the kernel), it seemed fair
to say that its credibility is not unquestionable; anyone making an
accurate account of history to which many people must agree surely must
make this judgement of this source!

I'm not about to write an apocryphal story: that's why I'm being careful
about blindly accepting the facts you present on your site.  Obviously
I have no wish to `piss you off' without reason, but I certainly won't
stop at presenting what I believe the truth to be /purely/ because it
may irritate you.

I think your statement "there is only ONE person who can really
review such a story" is indicative of a minor attitude problem on your
part; you've won your kudos by being the first to contribute ARM
code to the Linux kernel -- don't now lose it by being a bad team
player.  (Yes, that's harsh, but it's my sincere opinion.)

c.


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On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 11:55:27AM -0700, Deborah Wallach wrote:
> 
>    It implements a basic ethernet interface complete with and eth0
>    interface.  I've not tried to pass packets to it (yet) but will in the
>    next week or two.  I don't know what the DECWRL folks talked to with
>    it.  Persumably they wrote some host code.  I plan to implement the
>    other side shortly.
> 
> We talk to it using either Linux (2.3.34) on an x86 PC or Windows 95/2000.
> I haven't used the windows version myself, so I don't know anything about
> it.  Yes, we wrote some host code for the linux setup, but it's flaky (the
> host machine crashes fairly often while using usb to the itsy), but if you
> think it would be useful I can see if I can dig it up and get it posted
> somewhere. 

I will be very interested by all those code (both client and host,
Win and Linux) since I already try to implement something like this.
I got the usb pipe #0 running correctly and Linux (2.3.99preX) configuring
it correctly but can get the other pipe running. On the windows side,
I ask a demonstrator for the SA-1111 to show me some code (both
WinCE embedded or WinDriver Host) and the only thing he could find
me is a USB Mouse Driver (really... they're very stupid sometime -
we really have a lot of fun imagining what we can do with a mouse
running a StrongArm :)

I can myself send you the module I create for the linux host
side, although the bulk pipes were never tested.

BTW, do you think we can used a common DeviceID/VendorID
for the code in the both kernel? Especially since the driver
implementation will all be the same (mainly a network driver
with a ppp-like connection).

> 
> 			-Debby

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Chris Rutter writes:
> Given that story is only your account, having been ratified by no one
> else to my knowledge, and also that parts of it seem a little strange
> (other kernel hackers have cast doubt upon the ability of any version
> of Norcroft C to compile /any/ version of the kernel), it seemed fair
> to say that its credibility is not unquestionable; anyone making an
> accurate account of history to which many people must agree surely must
> make this judgement of this source!

Ok, for those doubters of you out there, go to:

 <ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/Old/RISCOSKernel/>

and browse the SparkFS archives located there - full source to the 1.1.59+
kernel that can be compiled under RISC OS, as well as the boot loader for
that version.

If you still have doubts, I can upload the very first C library for ARM
Linux (also compiled in RISC OS), and the MicroEMACS source (again, compiled
under RISC OS).

I'll update the history webpage to point to this proof of fact.
   _____
  |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+-
  |   |        Russell King       linux@arm.linux.org.uk      --- ---
  | | | |            http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/            /  /  |
  | +-+-+                                                     --- -+-
  /   |               THE developer of ARM Linux              |+| /|\
 /  | | |                                                     ---  |
    +-+-+ -------------------------------------------------  /\\\  |

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In message <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007161118290.4302-100000@inkvine.fluff.org>, Chris R
utter writes:
>I was really looking for something a bit more specific, like who
>contributed this work to gcc and binutils, and for what purpose
>originally.

Both binutils and GCC had support for generic ARM in pre-Linux days.  You 
should be able to trace the history of these early contributions from the 
ChangeLog files in the respective packages.

>I was more after where the ARM support in libc4 came from, or equally
>where NetBSD got its ARM support in its C library.  (I'm not sure about
>the code topology sharing between NetBSD 1.0 and Linux 1.1's C libraries.)

I don't believe there is much or any commonality there.  The Linux C library 
has always been derived from the GNU libc -- Linux libc4 was based on GNU libc 
1.x.  As far as I know NetBSD's libc is a completely independent effort.

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In message <20000709203710.A21694@fiji.bluemug.com>, Mike Touloumtzis writes:
>-- Grab safe binutils source.  The current Debian version, 2.9.5.0.31,
>   is claimed to be buggy on one of the ARM mailing lists.  2.9.5.0.14
>   is reported to be safe on Chris Rutter's ARM cross-compiler page,
>   so I'm going to give that a try.

The latest version of binutils is 2.10.  You can get it from ftp.gnu.org, 
sourceware.cygnus.com and mirrors.  No extra patches are needed for ARM GNU/
Linux.

>   -- Phil Blundell's 2.95.2 gcc patch doesn't apply cleanly, but I looked
>      at the patch, and the changes look reasonable (right direction,
>      likely bug fixes, etc).  The top-level stuff (ChangeLog, configure,
>      configure.in) will get rejected; the other stuff patches cleanly,
>      although I had to supply a path to each file.
>   -- The fold-const.c patch looks like it's still needed (it hasn't been
>      applied in 2.95.2).

To be honest I don't really remember what the status of the 2.95.2 patch is.  
I think there is a "2.95.3" patch in my directory on netwinder.org that might 
be slightly better.  That should also apply against 2.95.2 without too many 
problems.

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	I am working on something similar to this, but it is pretty 
pre-alpha ... what exactly do you want?  How are the binaries linked
in the first place? (i.e. with what linker?)

	What does objdump tell you?  (run objdump -f <image>)

	Simon

On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 08:53:16AM +1000, Adam 'WeirdArms' Wiggins wrote:
> 
> 	Can you help them out here?
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:42:00 -0500
> From: S A McConnell <samcconn@cotw.com>
> To: linux-arm@vger.rutgers.edu
> Subject: Need method to combine multiple binary images into one. (ld?)
> 
> I am showing my lack of Linux/Unix experience....
> 
> I have five different binary images. To speed and simplify the
> loading/Flashing process I would like to combine the images into a
> single file placing each image at a set location. ( Image1 @ 0x0, Image2
> @ 0x3800, Image3 @ 0x10000....) There will be holes between each image.
> 
> The images are all ARM binaries. The command 'file' describes them as
> 'data' files.
> 
> I tried to us arm-linux-ld but it complained about not knowing the
> format. I looked in the documentation but did not see a way to tell the
> linker to treat it as just data.
> 
> $file image1
> image1:data
> 
> $arm-linux-gcc -Timage.ld image1 image2 image3 image4 image5
> image1: file not recognized: File format not recognized
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> 
> 
> 
> INPUT(image1 image2 image3 image4 image5)
> 
> OUTPUT (bigimage)
> 
> SECTIONS 
> {
> 	output :
> 	{
> 		image1
> 		. = 0x3800;
> 		image2
> 		. = 0x4000;
> 		image3
> 		. = 0x1000;
> 		image4
> 		. = 0x100000;
> 		image5
> 	}
> }
> 
> -------------------------------
> Does anyone have a suggestion about how to do this with or without the
> linker?
> 
> Thanks,
> SAM
> 
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I'm having trouble with installation of Aleph One's v0.8 distribution on
my RO4 SARPC on account of trouble recognising my Cumana SCSI II card.

On booting into the installer, everything proceeds as expected, except for
the list of expansion cards. My ANT ethernet card (in slot 0), DMI50 MIDI
card (slot 2) and Atomwide dual serial card (slot 3) are all recognised
correctly, but the SCSI card isn't.

I've tried several times, including removing the other cards and shuffling
the SCSI card about on the backplane, and almost all the time the boot
program reports it as
1: EASI [0000:0000] *unknown*
Though on a few occasions it's been reported as "EASI simple card x"
(don't remember the number) and twice as the "SCSI-2 & CDFS Expansion
Card" that RISC OS reports it as. Both those times I couldn't complete the
install because of difficulties accessing the CD-ROM (which, along with a
Jaz drive, is all that's on the SCSI bus at the moment).

I had a look at the expansion card info in the PRMs (4-119) and it seems
that the card ID is only mandated to be at the bottom of expansion card
space immediately after a reset. Perhaps it's not paged in? Or is a faulty
backplane a more likely problem?

Any help appreciated.

Tom

-- 
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Tom Harris writes:
> I had a look at the expansion card info in the PRMs (4-119) and it seems
> that the card ID is only mandated to be at the bottom of expansion card
> space immediately after a reset. Perhaps it's not paged in? Or is a faulty
> backplane a more likely problem?

I suspect that there's a problem with the cards firmware.  Can you try
something for me please?

Try hitting ctrl-reset and then see if the card is still detected.  I have
a suspicion that it won't be.  If this is the case, then the firmware is
buggy, and thinks get complicated ;(
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Hi All,

Forgive my ignorance, but I need a little help to get me going on my porting
project....

I've down loaded the ARM toolchain from handhleds.org, patched configured and
compile a kernel, manage to get all the base libs stripped, compiled Busybox and
Tinylogin... but now "ae" is complaning the -ltermcap -lcurses are missing...
I'm assuming that I need to had these libs to my tool chain RIGHT ?

and if so, how do I do that ?

thanks

Hugues Belanger


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> Hi All,
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but I need a little help to get me going on my porting
> project....
>
> I've down loaded the ARM toolchain from handhleds.org, patched configured and
> compile a kernel, manage to get all the base libs stripped, compiled Busybox and
> Tinylogin... but now "ae" is complaning the -ltermcap -lcurses are missing...
> I'm assuming that I need to had these libs to my tool chain RIGHT ?
>
> and if so, how do I do that ?
>
> thanks
>
> Hugues Belanger


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On 16 Jul Russell King - ARM Linux Admin <linux@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:

> Tom Harris writes:
> > I had a look at the expansion card info in the PRMs (4-119) and it
> > seems that the card ID is only mandated to be at the bottom of
> > expansion card space immediately after a reset. Perhaps it's not paged
> > in? Or is a faulty backplane a more likely problem?
> 
> I suspect that there's a problem with the cards firmware.  Can you try
> something for me please?

Certainly.

> Try hitting ctrl-reset and then see if the card is still detected.  I
> have a suspicion that it won't be.  If this is the case, then the
> firmware is buggy, and thinks get complicated ;(

Ctrl-reset and leaving to boot to desktop, f12, *podules -> shows
correctly.
Ctrl-reset and * to supervisor, *podules -> shows correctly.

Also the same in both cases with the unmodified reset button and
ctrl-break, though I doubt it made a difference as IIRC there's only one
type of reset in RISC OS 3.5+.

Any thoughts/ideas?

Tom
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What has changed in the 2.4.x kernel to fix the dma cache coherency problems. Do
you know when this will be a stable kernel. We have  ported  the 82559 driver
adding the DMA writebacks and invalidates which generally works but we still see
some infrequent transmit problems.


Gerry




From: Nicolas Pitre@nico on 07/12/2000 08:51 PM

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Subject:  Re: EEPro100 NICs and EBSA285.

You need to add all the cache coherency handling into the driver for it to
work properly with ARM processors.

If you'd use a 2.4.x kernel, everything is already done for you.












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All,

    I'm trying to get Microwindows running on our prospector platform.
When I  build the keyboard into it, it fails for want of opening /dev/tty.
My reading of the code is that that _should_ work, but it fails 'cos
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You have to get the sources/binaries(ARM) from netwinder.org/allrpms.htm
and include it.
Note:ARM Binaries may not be compatible for your needs.I suggest you get the
sources and cross-compile it yourself using the toolchain.

cheers
anand

Hugues Belanger <hbelange@cgocable.net> wrote:


> Hi All,
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but I need a little help to get me going on my
porting
> project....
>
> I've down loaded the ARM toolchain from handhleds.org, patched configured
and
> compile a kernel, manage to get all the base libs stripped, compiled Busybox
and
> Tinylogin... but now "ae" is complaning the -ltermcap -lcurses are
missing...
> I'm assuming that I need to had these libs to my tool chain RIGHT ?
>
> and if so, how do I do that ?
>
> thanks
>
> Hugues Belanger


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Hi Anand

I've downloaded the SRPMS already, but could you do me a favor and describe the
high level steps required to do this.

I.e.
    1- Install the RPM
    2- uncompress the source
    3- ./configure --target=arm-linux  --prefix=/skiff/local/
    4- make
    5- ?? Do I copy the include from the source to the toolchain include dir ?
    6-  Any other steps ?

Thanks

anand kumar wrote:

> You have to get the sources/binaries(ARM) from netwinder.org/allrpms.htm
> and include it.
> Note:ARM Binaries may not be compatible for your needs.I suggest you get the
> sources and cross-compile it yourself using the toolchain.
>
> cheers
> anand
>
> Hugues Belanger <hbelange@cgocable.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but I need a little help to get me going on my
> porting
> > project....
> >
> > I've down loaded the ARM toolchain from handhleds.org, patched configured
> and
> > compile a kernel, manage to get all the base libs stripped, compiled Busybox
> and
> > Tinylogin... but now "ae" is complaning the -ltermcap -lcurses are
> missing...
> > I'm assuming that I need to had these libs to my tool chain RIGHT ?
> >
> > and if so, how do I do that ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Hugues Belanger
>
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> On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:

> > The enclosed patch assumes that PARODD (or rather, its 
> absence) does not imply
> > PARENB. It fixes the output strangeness on my Assabet and 
> Assabet+Neponset.

and Nico replied: 
> ... and it fixes the more-than-two-characters-received problem too.  
> The serial driver is fully working again.  Nice catch John!

Yes, indeed.  Quite amazing, all my serial ports are now working fine again
as well.

Thanks, guys!

//Jeff

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> >   -- Phil Blundell's 2.95.2 gcc patch doesn't apply cleanly, but I looked
> >      at the patch, and the changes look reasonable (right direction,
> >      likely bug fixes, etc).  The top-level stuff (ChangeLog, configure,
> >      configure.in) will get rejected; the other stuff patches cleanly,
> >      although I had to supply a path to each file.
> >   -- The fold-const.c patch looks like it's still needed (it hasn't been
> >      applied in 2.95.2).
> 
> To be honest I don't really remember what the status of the 2.95.2 patch is.
> I think there is a "2.95.3" patch in my directory on netwinder.org that might
> be slightly better.  That should also apply against 2.95.2 without too many
> problems.

To be quite honest, I think the best source of patches for gcc is my source RPM
on netwinder.org.  I spent a great deal of time organizing and documenting
them.  AFAIK, they are fully up to date.

Scott

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On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 10:47:12AM +0100, gerry.murphy@smartm.com wrote:
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> 
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> What has changed in the 2.4.x kernel to fix the dma cache coherency problems. Do

it's all described in Documentation/DMA-mapping.txt

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>To be quite honest, I think the best source of patches for gcc is my source
>RPM on netwinder.org.  I spent a great deal of time organizing and documenting
>them.  AFAIK, they are fully up to date.

Good point.  Yes, I agree.

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Hello all,
  I have a working toolchain w/ the following:

	binutils-2.10.0.9
	gcc-2.95.2
	glibc-2.1.3
	
  My c cross compiler and libraries have been tested and work with my
Assabet. Now I want to build a c++ cross compiler, which is supposedly
easy at this point in the toolchain build.  (I used Chris Rutter's
'Building the GNU toolchain for ARM targets' to get to this point).  When
I run "make LANGUAGES='c c++'" I get the following error:

   P make[1]: *** No rule to make target `c++', needed by `native'.  Stop.
   make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gcc-2.95.2/gcc' 
   make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2

Now I've tried configuring w/ '--enable-languages=c,c++' as well, and this
didn't work either.  Does anyone know why the make is failing?  I was
under the impression that gcc-2.95.2 could make the c++ compiler as soon
as glibc is installed, but the error above confuses me.  Possibly I'm
taking the wrong approach to build the c++ cross compiler?  Thanks,

Marco Carbone


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I've written a web page detailing the ideas that have cropped up so far
with respect to RISC OS emulation.  I'd be very grateful for people to
scrutinise and comment on some of the ideas so far; find the page at:

  http://www.armlinux.org/~chris/rose.html

Thanks,

c.




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Does anyone have a kernel .config file for an EBSA-285 in add-in mode that
results in an image?  I've tried numerous settings with
v2.4.0-test2-acl-rmk3 and haven't been able to get to an image yet.

Thanks, Bill

p.s. At this point, I'll settle for a v2.3.

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Bill Arbaugh writes:
> Does anyone have a kernel .config file for an EBSA-285 in add-in mode that
> results in an image?  I've tried numerous settings with
> v2.4.0-test2-acl-rmk3 and haven't been able to get to an image yet.

Thanks for pointing out that it doesn't compile.  Its not one of the
configurations I test (since I don't have the hardware to match this
configuration).  Could you indicate what fails when building, along
with the .config file you used for that build?

Thanks.
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Greetings,

I've already compiled the kernel 2.4.0.test1 version, now I try to
compile the kernel 2.4.0.test2 version. However, it displays error
messages  when I set the Neponset support. (CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET = y)

The used kernels and patches are as follows.
diff-2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3.gz
patch-2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2.gz
linux-2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3-jd1.patch
patch-2.4.0test2-ac1.gz
linux-2.4.0-test2.tar.gz

Errors occur when compiling the file, /drivers/pcmcia/sa1100_neponset.c.

Furthermore, I cannot configure modules when using "make modules". It
just says "Nothing to de done for 'modules'".
Any ideas?


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Sun-Gi Hong wrote:

> I've already compiled the kernel 2.4.0.test1 version, now I try to
> compile the kernel 2.4.0.test2 version. However, it displays error
> messages  when I set the Neponset support. (CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET = y)

Without knowing what the errors are, it's harder to diagnose this. I'll venture
that what you're seeing is in some way related to CONFIG_SA1111 not being
defined in Nicolas' next-to-most-recent patch. (You didn't list -np3-jd1 last;
did you apply it last?)

In any case, Nicolas' latest patch (2.4.0-test4-np1) sounds like a better bet.


> Furthermore, I cannot configure modules when using "make modules". It
> just says "Nothing to de done for 'modules'".

Did you specifically configure anything as a module when setting up the kernel?
The "assabet_config" included in Nicolas' patches puts everything in the kernel
by default. I usually go in and specify `m` for things like the PCMCIA NE2000
(pcnet_cs) driver, and the PCMCIA ATA/IDE (ide_cs) driver.

Good luck,
-jd



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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Sun-Gi Hong wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I've already compiled the kernel 2.4.0.test1 version, now I try to
> compile the kernel 2.4.0.test2 version. However, it displays error
> messages  when I set the Neponset support. (CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET = y)

This patch version was missing the definition of CONFIG_SA1111 when
CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET is selected.  Please use my latest patch which has
many things fixed.


Nicolas


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Hi,

I'm trying to use gdb on ARM linux (2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3)
I am able to run "gdb" itself and execute some internal commands.
But when I tried to load application with "file" command or execute "gdb
xxx".
Then gdb displays "gdb: error in loading shared libraries: gdb: undefined
symbol: __umodsi3" as follows.
I'm using original ramdisk_img.gz
Is there anyone who used gdb ?

Thanks, 

[root@Linux /root]$gdb
GNU gdb 19991011
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "armv4l-redhat-linux".
(gdb)
(gdb)
(gdb)
(gdb) file a
gdb: error in loading shared libraries: gdb: undefined symbol: __umodsi3

Woojung Huh

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Hi,

For a project here at work I would like to use the internal
Ethernet interface and the USB host port on the SA1111 board.

What is the status on these two? It seems that they aren't
supported yet in Nico's latest patch. But the SMC Ethernet
driver and the OHCI USB driver are already available. So it
seems to me that it takes some hacking and glueing to get the
thing working. Or am I mistaken?

Is there maybe someone working on enabling either of the two
of them? I don't mind to try to write the necessary code
myself, but if someone else already has started something I
would rather build further on that.

(Not to mention that at the moment I am busy studying the
code base and getting to understand the memory mapping and
IRQ usage and things like that... :-)

So if anyone out there is working on these issues and wants
to share his/her code with me so I can help with developing
and debugging, could you please email me? Thanks!

Best regards,


Arjan Opmeer




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Hi:
  I was trying to install apache server into my SA1110 assabet. I downloaded
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Hi:
   where is nico's latest patch (2.4.0-test4)? what's problem has been fixed
?

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Sun-Gi Hong wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I've already compiled the kernel 2.4.0.test1 version, now I try to
> compile the kernel 2.4.0.test2 version. However, it displays error
> messages  when I set the Neponset support. (CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET = y)

This patch version was missing the definition of CONFIG_SA1111 when
CONFIG_ASSABET_NEPONSET is selected.  Please use my latest patch which has
many things fixed.


Nicolas


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	Does anyone have a kernel .config file for an EBSA-285 in add-in
	mode that results in an image?	I've tried numerous settings
	with v2.4.0-test2-acl-rmk3 and haven't been able to get to an
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	Thanks, Bill

	p.s. At this point, I'll settle for a v2.3.

If you mean the co285 architecture complete with networking over the
PCI interface you're out of luck. I haven't done any work on it for a
few months.  If everything goes as planned I will make a ppc version in
december and will probably try to get the ebsa285 going again as well.

greetings,

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From: Bill Arbaugh <waa@cs.umd.edu>
To: Mark van Doesburg <m.j.s.vandoesburg@planet.nl>
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Subject: Re: EBSA-285 v2.4 Kernel .config?
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What's the last working version you have, and where can I find it?

Thanks, Bill

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Mark van Doesburg wrote:

> 	Does anyone have a kernel .config file for an EBSA-285 in add-in
> 	mode that results in an image?	I've tried numerous settings
> 	with v2.4.0-test2-acl-rmk3 and haven't been able to get to an
> 	image yet.
> 
> 	Thanks, Bill
> 
> 	p.s. At this point, I'll settle for a v2.3.
> 
> If you mean the co285 architecture complete with networking over the
> PCI interface you're out of luck. I haven't done any work on it for a
> few months.  If everything goes as planned I will make a ppc version in
> december and will probably try to get the ebsa285 going again as well.
> 
> greetings,
> 
> Mark.
> 


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From: Bill Arbaugh <waa@cs.umd.edu>
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Russell,

My config is easy.  I just did a make footbridge_config, and then set the
processor type to footbridge, selected EBSA285 add-in, and de-selected
netwinder.  I've attached it at the end (it has the further changes
described below).

Here's what I've found out so far.  The compile kicks out due to a
preprocess error in memory.h.  Tracing it down- it looks like while
CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_ADDIN is defined, CONFIG_ARCH_CO285 is not.  

I manually setting CONFIG_ARCH_CO285 in .config (after make clean; make
dep). Didn't eliminate the problem.  Setting it manually in
include/linux/autoconf.h did.  Unfortunately, I can't help much on this
since I don't know anything about Linux's config magic (I'm a BSD guy).

The above change resulting in an error that PCIIACK_BASE was undeclared in
irq.h.  I followed that to include/asm/arch/hardware.h which had at line
14:
	#ifdef CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_HOST

I changed that line to:

	#if defined(CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_HOST) ||
defined(CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_ADDIN)

That gets me through the compile, but then the linker complains of several
undefined references:
	boot_memory_end
	boot_commandL_line
	have_isa_bridge

The last is from bios32.c which isn't added to the obj list in the kernel
dir (no idea why).  The boot symbols- I can't find.

Bill

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# Automatically generated by make menuconfig: don't edit
#
CONFIG_ARM=y
# CONFIG_SBUS is not set
CONFIG_UID16=y

#
# Code maturity level options
#
CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL=y
# CONFIG_OBSOLETE is not set

#
# System Type
#
# CONFIG_ARCH_ARC is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_A5K is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_CO285 is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_EBSA110 is not set
CONFIG_ARCH_FOOTBRIDGE=y
# CONFIG_ARCH_RPC is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_SA1100 is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_CATS is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_PERSONAL_SERVER is not set
CONFIG_ARCH_EBSA285_ADDIN=y
# CONFIG_ARCH_EBSA285_HOST is not set
# CONFIG_ARCH_NETWINDER is not set
CONFIG_CPU_32=y
# CONFIG_CPU_26 is not set
CONFIG_CPU_32v4=y
CONFIG_CPU_SA110=y
# CONFIG_ARCH_ACORN is not set
CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE=y
# CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_HOST is not set
CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_ADDIN=y
CONFIG_ARCH_EBSA285=y
# CONFIG_DISCONTIGMEM is not set
# CONFIG_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_ISA is not set
# CONFIG_ISA_DMA is not set

#
# Loadable module support
#
CONFIG_MODULES=y
# CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is not set
CONFIG_KMOD=y

#
# General setup
#
# CONFIG_HOTPLUG is not set
# CONFIG_PCMCIA is not set
CONFIG_NET=y
CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y
CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y
CONFIG_SYSCTL=y
CONFIG_NWFPE=y
CONFIG_KCORE_ELF=y
# CONFIG_KCORE_AOUT is not set
CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y
CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y
# CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC is not set
# CONFIG_PM is not set
# CONFIG_ARTHUR is not set
CONFIG_LEDS=y
CONFIG_LEDS_TIMER=y
# CONFIG_LEDS_CPU is not set
CONFIG_ALIGNMENT_TRAP=y

#
# Parallel port support
#
CONFIG_PARPORT=y
CONFIG_PARPORT_PC=y
CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_FIFO=y
# CONFIG_PARPORT_PC_SUPERIO is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_ARC is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_AMIGA is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_MFC3 is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_ATARI is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_SUNBPP is not set
# CONFIG_PARPORT_OTHER is not set
CONFIG_PARPORT_1284=y

#
# Plug and Play configuration
#
CONFIG_PNP=y
CONFIG_ISAPNP=y

#
# Block devices
#
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_XD is not set
CONFIG_PARIDE=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y
CONFIG_PARIDE_PD=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PCD=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PF=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PT=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_PG=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_ATEN=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_BPCK=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_COMM=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_DSTR=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT2=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FIT3=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_EPAT=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_EPIA=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FRIQ=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_FRPW=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_KBIC=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_KTTI=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_ON20=m
CONFIG_PARIDE_ON26=m
# CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DAC960 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD=m
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD is not set
# CONFIG_MD_LINEAR is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID0 is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID1 is not set
# CONFIG_MD_RAID5 is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=4096
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set

#
# Networking options
#
CONFIG_PACKET=y
CONFIG_PACKET_MMAP=y
# CONFIG_NETLINK is not set
# CONFIG_NETFILTER is not set
# CONFIG_FILTER is not set
CONFIG_UNIX=y
CONFIG_INET=y
# CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER is not set
CONFIG_IP_PNP=y
CONFIG_IP_PNP_BOOTP=y
# CONFIG_IP_PNP_RARP is not set
# CONFIG_IP_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPIP is not set
# CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set
CONFIG_IP_ALIAS=y
CONFIG_SYN_COOKIES=y
# CONFIG_SKB_LARGE is not set
# CONFIG_IPV6 is not set
# CONFIG_KHTTPD is not set
# CONFIG_ATM is not set
# CONFIG_IPX is not set
# CONFIG_ATALK is not set
# CONFIG_DECNET is not set
# CONFIG_BRIDGE is not set
# CONFIG_X25 is not set
# CONFIG_LAPB is not set
# CONFIG_LLC is not set
# CONFIG_ECONET is not set
# CONFIG_WAN_ROUTER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_FASTROUTE is not set
# CONFIG_NET_HW_FLOWCONTROL is not set

#
# QoS and/or fair queueing
#
# CONFIG_NET_SCHED is not set

#
# Network device support
#
CONFIG_NETDEVICES=y

#
# ARCnet devices
#
# CONFIG_ARCNET is not set
# CONFIG_DUMMY is not set
# CONFIG_BONDING is not set
# CONFIG_EQUALIZER is not set
# CONFIG_NET_SB1000 is not set

#
# Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
#
CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
# CONFIG_ARM_AM79C961A is not set
CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y
# CONFIG_EL1 is not set
# CONFIG_EL2 is not set
# CONFIG_ELPLUS is not set
# CONFIG_EL16 is not set
# CONFIG_EL3 is not set
# CONFIG_3C515 is not set
CONFIG_VORTEX=y
# CONFIG_LANCE is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_RACAL is not set
# CONFIG_AT1700 is not set
# CONFIG_DEPCA is not set
# CONFIG_NET_ISA is not set
CONFIG_NET_PCI=y
# CONFIG_PCNET32 is not set
# CONFIG_ADAPTEC_STARFIRE is not set
# CONFIG_AC3200 is not set
# CONFIG_APRICOT is not set
# CONFIG_CS89x0 is not set
# CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
# CONFIG_TULIP is not set
# CONFIG_DGRS is not set
# CONFIG_DM9102 is not set
# CONFIG_EEPRO100 is not set
# CONFIG_LNE390 is not set
# CONFIG_NE3210 is not set
# CONFIG_NE2K_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_RTL8129 is not set
# CONFIG_8139TOO is not set
# CONFIG_SIS900 is not set
# CONFIG_TLAN is not set
# CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set
# CONFIG_ES3210 is not set
# CONFIG_EPIC100 is not set
# CONFIG_NET_POCKET is not set

#
# Ethernet (1000 Mbit)
#
# CONFIG_YELLOWFIN is not set
# CONFIG_ACENIC is not set
# CONFIG_SK98LIN is not set
# CONFIG_FDDI is not set
# CONFIG_HIPPI is not set
# CONFIG_PLIP is not set
CONFIG_PPP=m
# CONFIG_PPP_MULTILINK is not set
CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC=m
# CONFIG_PPP_SYNC_TTY is not set
CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE=m
CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP=m
CONFIG_PPPOE=m
CONFIG_SLIP=m
CONFIG_SLIP_COMPRESSED=y
CONFIG_SLIP_SMART=y
CONFIG_SLIP_MODE_SLIP6=y

#
# Wireless LAN (non-hamradio)
#
# CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not set

#
# Token Ring devices
#
# CONFIG_TR is not set
# CONFIG_NET_FC is not set
# CONFIG_RCPCI is not set
# CONFIG_SHAPER is not set

#
# Wan interfaces
#
# CONFIG_WAN is not set

#
# Amateur Radio support
#
# CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set

#
# IrDA (infrared) support
#
CONFIG_IRDA=m
CONFIG_IRLAN=m
CONFIG_IRCOMM=m
CONFIG_IRDA_ULTRA=y
CONFIG_IRDA_OPTIONS=y
CONFIG_IRDA_CACHE_LAST_LSAP=y
CONFIG_IRDA_FAST_RR=y
# CONFIG_IRDA_DEBUG is not set
# CONFIG_IRDA_COMPRESSION is not set

#
# Infrared-port device drivers
#
# CONFIG_IRTTY_SIR is not set
# CONFIG_IRPORT_SIR is not set
# CONFIG_NSC_FIR is not set
CONFIG_WINBOND_FIR=m
# CONFIG_TOSHIBA_FIR is not set
# CONFIG_SMC_IRCC_FIR is not set
# CONFIG_DONGLE is not set

#
# ATA/IDE/MFM/RLL support
#
CONFIG_IDE=y

#
# IDE, ATA and ATAPI Block devices
#
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y
CONFIG_IDEDISK_MULTI_MODE=y
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_VENDOR is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_FUJITSU is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_IBM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_MAXTOR is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_QUANTUM is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_SEAGATE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK_WD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_COMMERIAL is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TIVO is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640 is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ISAPNP is not set
# CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set
CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y
# CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set
# CONFIG_DMA_NONPCI is not set
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES=y

#
# SCSI support
#
# CONFIG_SCSI is not set

#
# I2O device support
#
# CONFIG_I2O is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_BLOCK is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_LAN is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_SCSI is not set
# CONFIG_I2O_PROC is not set

#
# ISDN subsystem
#
# CONFIG_ISDN is not set

#
# Character devices
#
CONFIG_VT=y
CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_SERIAL=y
CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y
# CONFIG_SERIAL_EXTENDED is not set
CONFIG_SERIAL_NONSTANDARD=y
# CONFIG_COMPUTONE is not set
# CONFIG_ROCKETPORT is not set
# CONFIG_CYCLADES is not set
# CONFIG_DIGIEPCA is not set
# CONFIG_DIGI is not set
# CONFIG_ESPSERIAL is not set
# CONFIG_MOXA_INTELLIO is not set
# CONFIG_MOXA_SMARTIO is not set
# CONFIG_ISI is not set
# CONFIG_SYNCLINK is not set
# CONFIG_N_HDLC is not set
# CONFIG_RISCOM8 is not set
# CONFIG_SPECIALIX is not set
# CONFIG_SX is not set
# CONFIG_RIO is not set
# CONFIG_STALDRV is not set
CONFIG_SERIAL_21285=y
CONFIG_SERIAL_21285_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y
CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256
CONFIG_PRINTER=m
# CONFIG_LP_CONSOLE is not set
# CONFIG_PPDEV is not set

#
# I2C support
#
CONFIG_I2C=m
# CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT is not set
# CONFIG_I2C_ALGOPCF is not set
# CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV is not set

#
# Mice
#
# CONFIG_BUSMOUSE is not set
CONFIG_MOUSE=y
CONFIG_PSMOUSE=y
# CONFIG_82C710_MOUSE is not set
# CONFIG_PC110_PAD is not set

#
# Joysticks
#
# CONFIG_JOYSTICK is not set
# CONFIG_QIC02_TAPE is not set

#
# Watchdog Cards
#
CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y
# CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT is not set
# CONFIG_WDT is not set
# CONFIG_WDTPCI is not set
CONFIG_SOFT_WATCHDOG=y
# CONFIG_PCWATCHDOG is not set
# CONFIG_ACQUIRE_WDT is not set
# CONFIG_60XX_WDT is not set
# CONFIG_MIXCOMWD is not set
CONFIG_21285_WATCHDOG=m
# CONFIG_INTEL_RNG is not set
CONFIG_NVRAM=m
CONFIG_RTC=y

#
# Video For Linux
#
CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV=y
# CONFIG_VIDEO_PROC_FS is not set
# CONFIG_I2C_PARPORT is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_CADET is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_RTRACK is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_RTRACK2 is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_AZTECH is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_GEMTEK is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_MIROPCM20 is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_SF16FMI is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_TERRATEC is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_TRUST is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_TYPHOON is not set
# CONFIG_RADIO_ZOLTRIX is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_PMS is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_BWQCAM is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_CQCAM is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_CPIA is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA5249 is not set
# CONFIG_TUNER_3036 is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_STRADIS is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_ZORAN is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_BUZ is not set
# CONFIG_VIDEO_ZR36120 is not set
# CONFIG_DTLK is not set
# CONFIG_R3964 is not set
# CONFIG_APPLICOM is not set

#
# Ftape, the floppy tape device driver
#
# CONFIG_FTAPE is not set
# CONFIG_DRM is not set
# CONFIG_DRM_TDFX is not set
# CONFIG_AGP is not set

#
# File systems
#
# CONFIG_QUOTA is not set
# CONFIG_AUTOFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_AUTOFS4_FS=y
CONFIG_ADFS_FS=m
# CONFIG_ADFS_FS_RW is not set
# CONFIG_AFFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_HFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_BFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_FAT_FS=m
CONFIG_MSDOS_FS=m
# CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS is not set
CONFIG_VFAT_FS=m
# CONFIG_EFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_CRAMFS is not set
# CONFIG_RAMFS is not set
CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=m
CONFIG_JOLIET=y
# CONFIG_MINIX_FS is not set
# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set
# CONFIG_HPFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_PROC_FS=y
# CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT is not set
# CONFIG_DEVFS_DEBUG is not set
CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y
# CONFIG_QNX4FS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_QNX4FS_RW is not set
# CONFIG_ROMFS_FS is not set
CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y
# CONFIG_SYSV_FS is not set
# CONFIG_SYSV_FS_WRITE is not set
# CONFIG_UDF_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UDF_RW is not set
# CONFIG_UFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE is not set

#
# Network File Systems
#
# CONFIG_CODA_FS is not set
CONFIG_NFS_FS=y
# CONFIG_NFS_V3 is not set
CONFIG_ROOT_NFS=y
CONFIG_NFSD=m
# CONFIG_NFSD_V3 is not set
CONFIG_SUNRPC=y
CONFIG_LOCKD=y
# CONFIG_SMB_FS is not set
# CONFIG_NCP_FS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_PACKET_SIGNING is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_IOCTL_LOCKING is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_STRONG is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_OS2_NS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_SMALLDOS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_MOUNT_SUBDIR is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_NDS_DOMAINS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_NLS is not set
# CONFIG_NCPFS_EXTRAS is not set

#
# Partition Types
#
CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y
CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION=y
# CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_ICS is not set
CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_ADFS=y
# CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_POWERTEC is not set
# CONFIG_ACORN_PARTITION_RISCIX is not set
# CONFIG_OSF_PARTITION is not set
# CONFIG_AMIGA_PARTITION is not set
# CONFIG_ATARI_PARTITION is not set
# CONFIG_MAC_PARTITION is not set
CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y
# CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL is not set
# CONFIG_SOLARIS_X86_PARTITION is not set
# CONFIG_UNIXWARE_DISKLABEL is not set
# CONFIG_SGI_PARTITION is not set
# CONFIG_SUN_PARTITION is not set
CONFIG_NLS=y

#
# Native Language Support
#
CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=m
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_737 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_775 is not set
CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=m
CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_852=m
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_855 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_857 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_860 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_861 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_862 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_863 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_864 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_865 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_866 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_869 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_874 is not set
CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=m
CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2=m
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_3 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_4 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_5 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_6 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_7 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_8 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_9 is not set
# CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_14 is not set
CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15=m
# CONFIG_NLS_KOI8_R is not set

#
# Console drivers
#
CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_FB=y

#
# Frame-buffer support
#
CONFIG_FB=y
CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y
# CONFIG_FB_VIRTUAL is not set
CONFIG_FBCON_ADVANCED=y
# CONFIG_FBCON_MFB is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_CFB2 is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_CFB4 is not set
CONFIG_FBCON_CFB8=y
CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y
CONFIG_FBCON_CFB24=y
# CONFIG_FBCON_CFB32 is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_AFB is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_ILBM is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_IPLAN2P2 is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_IPLAN2P4 is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_IPLAN2P8 is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_MAC is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_VGA_PLANES is not set
CONFIG_FBCON_VGA=y
# CONFIG_FBCON_HGA is not set
# CONFIG_FBCON_FONTWIDTH8_ONLY is not set
CONFIG_FBCON_FONTS=y
# CONFIG_FONT_8x8 is not set
# CONFIG_FONT_8x16 is not set
# CONFIG_FONT_SUN8x16 is not set
# CONFIG_FONT_SUN12x22 is not set
# CONFIG_FONT_6x11 is not set
# CONFIG_FONT_PEARL_8x8 is not set
CONFIG_FONT_ACORN_8x8=y

#
# USB support
#
CONFIG_USB=m
CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y
# CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS is not set
# CONFIG_USB_BANDWIDTH is not set
# CONFIG_USB_UHCI is not set
# CONFIG_USB_UHCI_ALT is not set
CONFIG_USB_OHCI=m
CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m
CONFIG_USB_SCANNER=m
CONFIG_USB_AUDIO=m
# CONFIG_USB_ACM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL is not set
# CONFIG_USB_IBMCAM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_OV511 is not set
# CONFIG_USB_DC2XX is not set
# CONFIG_USB_MDC800 is not set
# CONFIG_USB_STORAGE is not set
# CONFIG_USB_USS720 is not set
# CONFIG_USB_DABUSB is not set
# CONFIG_USB_PLUSB is not set
# CONFIG_USB_PEGASUS is not set
# CONFIG_USB_RIO500 is not set
# CONFIG_USB_DSBR is not set
# CONFIG_USB_MICROTEK is not set
# CONFIG_USB_HID is not set
CONFIG_USB_KBD=m
CONFIG_USB_MOUSE=m
# CONFIG_USB_WACOM is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_IFORCE_USB is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV is not set
# CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV is not set

#
# Kernel hacking
#
CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER=y
CONFIG_DEBUG_ERRORS=y
CONFIG_DEBUG_USER=y
# CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO is not set
CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
CONFIG_DEBUG_LL=y
# CONFIG_DEBUG_DC21285_PORT is not set


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Subject: Re: EBSA-285 v2.4 Kernel .config?
To: waa@cs.umd.edu (Bill Arbaugh)
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I think firs thing I'll raise here is that there are two different
"modes" to add-in ebsa285 support:

1. Plain EBSA285 add-in
   This is intended to result in a kernel which gives you all
   available user space, and be compatable with the ebsa285
   host kernel.  (this is "new", and probably ought to be
   marked as "experimental" at the moment)

2. co-EBSA285
   This is Mark's "multi-processor" special thang - he can probably
   give you a detailed description of this than me.  However, it
   does result in all kernel code and userspace squashed into the
   lower 2GB.

Bill Arbaugh writes:
> The above change resulting in an error that PCIIACK_BASE was undeclared in
> irq.h.  I followed that to include/asm/arch/hardware.h which had at line
> 14:

This is a real problem!  include/asm-arm/arch-ebsa285/irq.h shouldn't be
looking at the PCIIACK space, so this should probably be surrounded by
a suitable #ifdef CONFIG_FOOTBRIDGE_HOST macro.

> That gets me through the compile, but then the linker complains of several
> undefined references:
> 	boot_memory_end
> 	boot_commandL_line
> 	have_isa_bridge
> 
> The last is from bios32.c which isn't added to the obj list in the kernel
> dir (no idea why).  The boot symbols- I can't find.

Well, the "quick hack" approach would be to #define have_isa_bridge 0 where-ever
it is used, but I certainly won't accept a patch like that ;)

It needs to be inteligently defined, dependent on the configuration options
selected by the user (something that I'll sort out for the next release).

The other two were iirc a couple of definitions I wasn't happy about.  I don't
think the final hunk is required, and should probably be cut off.  (PS, this
is from patch 178/1).

diff -uNr orig/linux/arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S linux/arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S
--- orig/linux/arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S	Thu May  6 16:39:24 1999
+++ linux/arch/arm/kernel/head-armv.S	Thu May  6 14:30:29 1999
@@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
  */
 #include <linux/config.h>
 #include <linux/linkage.h>
+#include <asm/hardware.h>
 
 		.globl	SYMBOL_NAME(swapper_pg_dir)
 		.equ	SYMBOL_NAME(swapper_pg_dir),	TEXTADDR - 0x4000
@@ -56,6 +57,46 @@
 		mov	r1, #5
 #endif
 
+#ifdef CONFIG_ARCH_CO285
+		.globl	SYMBOL_NAME(boot_command_line)
+		.equ	SYMBOL_NAME(boot_command_line),	TEXTADDR - 0x5000
+
+		.globl	SYMBOL_NAME(boot_memory_end)
+		.equ	SYMBOL_NAME(boot_memory_end),	TEXTADDR - 0x4004
+		mov	r11,#0xfc
+		orr	r11,r11,#0x3f00
+		str	sp,[r11]
+
+#ifdef DEBUG
+		mov	r11,#0x42000000		@ initialize uart
+		mov	r12,#0			@ 9600,n,8,1
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x174]
+		mov	r12,#80
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x170]
+		mov	r12,#0
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x16c]
+		mov	r12,#0x70
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x168]
+		mov	r12,#1
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x174]
+		mov	r12,#'x'
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x160]
+		ldr	r12, [r11, #0x178]
+		tst	r12,#0x20
+		bne	.-8
+		mov	r12,#10
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x160]
+		ldr	r12, [r11, #0x178]
+		tst	r12,#0x20
+		bne	.-8
+		mov	r12,#13
+		str	r12, [r11, #0x160]
+		ldr	r12, [r11, #0x178]
+		tst	r12,#0x20
+		bne	.-8
+#endif	// DEBUG 
+#endif	// CONFIG_ARCH_CO285
+
 /*
  * Entry point and restart point.  Entry *must* be called with r0 == 0,
  * MMU off.  Note! These should be unique!!! Please read Documentation/ARM-README
@@ -127,7 +168,9 @@
  * This allows debug messages to be output via a serial
  * before/while paging_init.
  */
-		add	r0, r4, #0x3800
+		mov	r14,#(ARMCSR_BASE>>18) & 0xff
+		orr	r14,r14,#(ARMCSR_BASE>>18) & 0xff00
+		add	r0, r4, r14
 		orr	r3, r6, r8
 		add	r2, r0, #0x0800
 1:		str	r3, [r0], #4

   _____
  |_____| ------------------------------------------------- ---+---+-
  |   |        Russell King       linux@arm.linux.org.uk      --- ---
  | | | |            http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/            /  /  |
  | +-+-+                                                     --- -+-
  /   |               THE developer of ARM Linux              |+| /|\
 /  | | |                                                     ---  |
    +-+-+ -------------------------------------------------  /\\\  |

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On Wed, Jul 12, 2000 at 11:15:57AM -0700, Jim Gettys wrote:
>  
> > 
> > -- Some digitizers have non-linear input systems and need input munging
> >    beyond the simple device-independant translation/rotation/deskew that
> >    calibration can provide.  Most devices work fine with the equivalent
> >    of a single affine transform at most, but I know of at least one
> >    shipping touchscreen PDA/phone in Japan that essentially requires a
> >    system of linear equations to normalize coordinates, and also has
> >    two "dead zones" that must be worked around.
> 
> Question: is a single affine transform going to get more than 90% of the
> devices out there?  If so, lets run with this, and be done with it; leave
> the others to suffer for their own sins of bad hardware...
> 

(sorry for the delay; I'm pretty burst with mailing list mail)

I don't know with how much hardware an affine transform will work;
I'm not really a digitizer expert, I've just worked with a number
of specific components.  It certainly seems reasonable to say "the
kernel driver will normalize the coordinates if it's easy to do so,
otherwise it'll somehow convey the device type to userspace, and
it's the job of userspace to deal with weirdo hardware."

miket


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Systems Administrator wrote:

> How does a more intelligent person load a kernel and root file system into this
> box?

Such a person might read linux/Documentation/arm/SA1100/Assabet, or visit:

  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wearable/software/assabet.html

-jd


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> 
> The last version I tried was 2.3.24-rmk1, you can find it on
> ftp://nt4.el.utwente.nl/pub/co285  There's also a working Image available,
> I'm not sure which version it is but I'm quite sure it worked for me.
> 
Thanks- I'll give it a try.

> Unfortunately you need to re-program the flash of the ebsa-285 and my
> program isn't very user friendly.
> 
I'm going to use the eCos safl utility to re-program the flash.  It
looks fairly straight forward.  If it works, I'll post a copy of the
source with directions.

Basically, right now I'm trying to decide if I should use Linux or
eCos.  Both have advantages/disadvantages for what I want to do.

Thanks, Bill


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On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:
> Systems Administrator wrote:
> 
> > How does a more intelligent person load a kernel and root file system into this
> > box?
> 
> Such a person might read linux/Documentation/arm/SA1100/Assabet, or visit:
> 
>   http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wearable/software/assabet.html
> 
> -jd

This people don't have a sa1100 directory under /usr/src/linux/Doc*/arm. 
As in redhat 6.2 just upgraded has Netwinder, nwfpe and and a README from
Russel King.  The www.cs.cmu.edu place seems to have gone out of business.  This
is quite normal for me.  Any more suggestions?

Mike Coburn
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I have inherited a Strongarm Development Kit.  I have a SA1110, and SA1111 and
associated trivia, and some documentation.  I have managed to get the thing
stuck on to my linux box through minicom and I see "Angel Debug Monitor for
DB1110 : Serial/FIQ : MMU on, n 4" or something close to that.  I had to change
the flash things from windows ce to angel, but I did manage.

I can build a tool chain and a kernel.  But how do I get executable stuff into
the little box?  Do I have to reflash the little postage stamp looking thingies
or does this littel "angel" somehow manage to load a boot block and suck on
the RS232 port or what?  If so, how do it tell it to start inhaling?  Maybe I'm
supposed to hook the sa1111 board up and magically boot across the net, or
put a kernel and root file system on a pcmcia card and slurp on it after
plugging it into the sa1111.   I can't find any documents that even mention the
SA1111 or how it would be used.

How does a more intelligent person load a kernel and root file system into this
box?

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Hello everybody,
I've tried to program ICLR register of interrupt controller of SA-1100
(revision G) so that level 11 interrupt was routed to CPU FIQ interrupt
input. Then after interrupt pending Linux became dead (hung up without any
reaction). When I don't touch ICLR register all work well. Am I wrong or it
is defect of Linux or SA-1100? Any hint will be greatly appreciated.
Gena Kurtsman.



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Hi All,

I have a problem using bootp with kernel 2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk3 on my
EBSA-285 with EEPro100 NIC. Everything looks good up until sending
the bootp request, but then I get:

Sending BOOTP requests............. timed out!
IP-Config: Auto-configuration of network failed.

I can see the bootp request packets on the network as well as the
replies from the server, but the EBSA doesn't catch them. I realize
this might be a problem on the server side just as well as on the
EBSA but maybe someone has had similar problems before and could
point me in the right direction.
I use bootpd on a linux host and here's the /etc/bootptab

galileo.telscom.ch:                      \
        ht=ether:                        \
        ha=0090278CD86B:                 \
        ip=<ip-addr-of-ebsa>:            \
        sm=<subnet-mask>:                \
        gw=<default-gateway>:            \
        ds=<primary-dns> <secondary-dns>:\
        hn:

Any help is appreciated! Thanks for your time..

    - Mathias

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	What's the last working version you have, and where can I find it?

The last version I tried was 2.3.24-rmk1, you can find it on
ftp://nt4.el.utwente.nl/pub/co285  There's also a working Image available,
I'm not sure which version it is but I'm quite sure it worked for me.

Unfortunately you need to re-program the flash of the ebsa-285 and my
program isn't very user friendly.

greetings,

Mark.

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Gennadiy M. Kurtsman writes:
> I've tried to program ICLR register of interrupt controller of SA-1100
> (revision G) so that level 11 interrupt was routed to CPU FIQ interrupt
> input. Then after interrupt pending Linux became dead (hung up without any
> reaction). When I don't touch ICLR register all work well. Am I wrong or it
> is defect of Linux or SA-1100? Any hint will be greatly appreciated.

Are you hooking into the FIQ vector?  It is not supported via the normal
"request_irq" stuff.
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Hi Nicolas:
Would please let me know what package you used to build telnet utils in you
ramdisk.  I downloaded the telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm and tried to compile it
use netwinder machine but go a lot of compiler errors.  I would like to know
which version of the telnet can be compiled and where to find the package.
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Hi all:
   Sorry for the cross post! This is a old question but nobody answer me
yet. I built linux-2.4.0-test2 with nico's patch and it's running in SA1110
Assabet with socket CF ethernet on it. right now there is a problem for the
ethernet which has been torturing me for a long time. 
   1) after downloaded the kernel and boot up and configure the eth0, I can
use telnet logon into my target from other machine, but after trying for a
couple of time, the telnet will stuck at " Escape character is ^]" , however
I can use telnet  logon into other machine FROM the target, tried many
times, no error occur.
   2) I can use ftp logon to other machine and transfer files to or from my
target, looks good, but each time I exit from the ftp program , the target
console give me error message "eth0 interupt dropped".
   3) as to use ftp logon to target from other machine, same thing with the
telnet ( stucked after a couple of times).
   Nicolas said he had the same problem and won't have chance to fix it. I
checked his latest patch (2.4.0-test4-np1), same thing happended.
   I was given this porting task for a month, now it's gonna due , but I
haven't make the nework flow. So, if any one knows how to fix it, PLEASE,
let me know. I think it's the driver problem. Which source file should I
take a look? 
Thank you in advance!
Regards

Lei Sun


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Mathias Teikari writes:
> I can see the bootp request packets on the network as well as the
> replies from the server, but the EBSA doesn't catch them.

Could be one of many things.  Can you give a "tcpdump -s 1540 -e -v"
dump of the packets please?

> galileo.telscom.ch:                      \
>         ht=ether:                        \
>         ha=0090278CD86B:                 \
>         ip=<ip-addr-of-ebsa>:            \
>         sm=<subnet-mask>:                \
>         gw=<default-gateway>:            \
>         ds=<primary-dns> <secondary-dns>:\
>         hn:

The dns entries are redundant as far as the kernel goes.
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Hello David;

I am using the Carleton University telnet-0.10.29.  You can find a copy at:

  ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/carleton-winder-rpms

--George

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-----Original Message-----
From: Meng, David [mailto:david.meng@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 12:00 PM
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Hi Nicolas:
Would please let me know what package you used to build telnet utils in you
ramdisk.  I downloaded the telnet-0.10-29.src.rpm and tried to compile it
use netwinder machine but go a lot of compiler errors.  I would like to know
which version of the telnet can be compiled and where to find the package.
Regards.
David


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Hi Hugues,

Here are the steps ;

Libtermcap :

 1) mkdir tmp 
 2) do rpm2cpio filename | ( cd tmp && cpio -id)
     
    filename - downloaded libterm rpm file.

 3)cd tmp.

  There will ba tar.gz file and some patches .

   extract tar ball and apply all the patches to it.

 now change the Makefile ..

  CC = arm-linux-gcc
  AR = arm-linux-ar

  make .

  You will get the .so file for libterm compiled for ARM.Just include this in your lib directory for ARM.

Ncurses ;

 For ncurses follow the above stuff but you have to do the patch*.sh in the extracted ncurses directory which patches all the files .
  later apply the all the patches present.

 Then do 
  ./configure --with-shared 

   for enabling shared lib support.creates libncurses.so else it will create libcurses.a


 Then change the Makefile and replace all gcc,ld,ar with your arm-linux equivalents...also select the directory in which you want to install....That is the prefix in the Makefile .
   Default is set to usr.......
   Meaning your library will be installed in usr/lib......

  Try this and let me know how you fare

bye
Anand
 
------Original Message------
From: Hugues Belanger <hbelange@cgocable.net>
To: anand kumar <a_santhanam@usa.net>
Sent: July 17, 2000 1:24:21 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [Help with toolchain]


Hi Anand

I've downloaded the SRPMS already, but could you do me a favor and describe the
high level steps required to do this.

I.e.
    1- Install the RPM
    2- uncompress the source
    3- ./configure --target=arm-linux  --prefix=/skiff/local/
    4- make
    5- ?? Do I copy the include from the source to the toolchain include dir ?
    6-  Any other steps ?

Thanks

anand kumar wrote:

> You have to get the sources/binaries(ARM) from netwinder.org/allrpms.htm
> and include it.
> Note:ARM Binaries may not be compatible for your needs.I suggest you get the
> sources and cross-compile it yourself using the toolchain.
>
> cheers
> anand
>
> Hugues Belanger <hbelange@cgocable.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but I need a little help to get me going on my
> porting
> > project....
> >
> > I've down loaded the ARM toolchain from handhleds.org, patched configured
> and
> > compile a kernel, manage to get all the base libs stripped, compiled Busybox
> and
> > Tinylogin... but now "ae" is complaning the -ltermcap -lcurses are
> missing...
> > I'm assuming that I need to had these libs to my tool chain RIGHT ?
> >
> > and if so, how do I do that ?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Hugues Belanger
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Below is the tcpdump output. 193.247.121.35 is the bootp server
(0:d0:b7:3f:4a:90) and .36 is the client (0:90:27:8c:d8:6b)
It does bother me somewhat that the server replies to the intended (but
not yet configured) address of the client. I know this situation is
discussed in the original bootp rfc (rfc951) but I don't know if any of
the more recent extensions covers it?

    - Mathias


12:53:45.800521 0:90:27:8c:d8:6b ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 406: 0.0.0.0.68
> 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0x362989d0 secs:5 vend-rfc1048 SM:0.0.0.0
DG:0.0.0.0
HN:"^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@"
T40:0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
RP:"^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@"
(DF) (ttl 64, id 0)

12:53:45.800663 0:d0:b7:3f:4a:90 0:90:27:8c:d8:6b 0800 406:
193.247.121.35.67 > 193.247.121.36.68: xid:0x362989d0 secs:5
Y:193.247.121.36 S:193.247.121.35 sname "neptune.telscom.ch"
vend-rfc1048 SM:255.255.255.240 (ttl 64, id 61573)


Russell King - ARM Linux Admin wrote:

>
> Could be one of many things.  Can you give a "tcpdump -s 1540 -e -v"
> dump of the packets please?
>

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Hello,

I am trying to get a 2.2.1 kernel with the latest patch from
Ben Williamson cb26-benw3 (and other requisite patches) to boot
through a serial port (COM1) on an EP7211 board when I get the
following Oops

I can see that we are in the do_rs7211_bh of the serial_7211
driver called from do_bottom_half.  I have already made the changes
to proc-arm6,7.S for TLB flushing of EP7211.  Are there any other
changes that need to be done

Thanks for any inputs

Dino

PS: Sorry for the long post

boot no options
Linux version 2.2.1-rmk2-cb23 (root@orange) (gcc version egcs-2.91.66
19990325/philb (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #13 Fri Jul 21 18:43:57 IST 2000
initrd: start 0xc1713000, size 968537 -> start c0f13000, end 0xc0fff759
NetWinder Floating Point Emulator V0.94.1 (c) 1998 Corel Computer Corp.
c0122f04-c1000000
memzero
alloc_init_page [ mem c0126400, virt 00000000 -> phys c0125400 ]: D
c0034000 := c00fd6c8
alloc_init_page [ mem c0126800, virt 00000000 -> phys c0125400 ]: P
c0126400
setup_pagetables
flush_tlb_all
paging_init
trap_init
init_IRQ
sched_init
time_init (0)
parse_options:
parse_options (0xc014ebf0)
rs_power: state = 1
console_init (67, 0xc014ebf0)
init_modules (68)
prof_shift (69)
cpsr = 0x60000013 (70)
SR1 0x00000904 MR1 0x00001200
SR2 0x00001004 MR2 0x00000000
sti (73, 0xc014ebf0)
kmem_cache_init (0xc014ebf0)
sti
Calibrating delay loop... 68.61 BogoMIPS
calibrate_delay
Memory: 14096k/16M available (768k code, 224k reserved, 344k data, 4k init)
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
&<6>Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.2
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Starting kswapd v 1.5
Power: PCMCIA 3300 mV
²rs_power: state = 1
rs_power: state = 1
alized:  16 RAM disks of 4096K size
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
Freeing unused kernel memory: 4k init
Enabling Transmits on Line 0
Line 0 opened
Bad mode in prefetch abort handler detected: mode SVC_32
Internal error: Oops: 0
CPU: 0
pc : [<03a24008>]    lr : [<c00c86fc>]
sp : c015fe60  ip : c015fea8  fp : c015febc
r10: c003820c  r9 : c0108b60  r8 : c0108ce0
r7 : c0117a00  r6 : c0117a04  r5 : 00000001  r4 : c01078c8
r3 : 03a24009  r2 : 00000000  r1 : 00000001  r0 : 00000000
Flags: nzCv  IRQs on  FIQs on  Mode SVC_32  Segment kernel
INTSR1 0x00000b04 INTMR1 0x00003200
INTSR2 0x00001004 INTMR2 0x00002000
INTSR3 0x00002000 INTMR3 0x00002000
Control: 017D  Table: C003401D  DAC: 0000001D
Process kflushd (pid: 2, stackpage=c015f000)
Stack:
c015fe80:
c00c86fc 03a24008
c015fea0: 20000013 ffffffff 00000001 c0117a5c  c015fed8 c015fec0 c004e95c 
c00c86d4
c015fec0: 00000000 00000000 0000000c c015ff08  c015fedc c003ac50 c004e8dc 
00000180
c015fee0: c015ff0c 00003007 c015ff54 00000001  c00b8fbc 60000013 ffffffff 
c015ff9c
c015ff00: c015ff0c c003a060 c003ab34 00000000  00000000 00000000 60000013 
00000100
c015ff20: c0f11aa0 00000001 0000002a 00000002  c011cb10 c003820c c015ff9c 
c0111974
c015ff40: c015ff54 00000001 c00b8fbc 60000013  ffffffff deeb7397 c0f11ab8 
c011cba0
c015ff60: 00000004 00000000 00000000 0000001e  00000001 00000001 c015ffd4 
00000000

c015ff80: 00000001 00000400 00000001 00000100  c015ffc4 c015ffa0 c00b9170 
c00b88f4
c015ffa0: c0f11d40 00000f90 00000002 00000010  c0100bac 00000008 c015fffc 
c015ffc8
c015ffc0: c00639b0 c00b8ff8 00000000 00000003  00000008 c0f11aa0 00000000 
c00fd6c4
c015ffe0: c01226bc c00fd6c8 c00fd8ec 41807202  c0f0ffe4 c0160000 c0039bd8 
c0063820
Backtrace:
Function entered at [<c00c86c4>] from [<c004e95c>]
  r5 = c0117a5c       ^do_rs7211_bh     ^do_bottom_half
  r4 = 00000001
Function entered at [<c004e8cc>] from [<c003ac50>]
  r6 = 0000000c
  r5 = 00000000
  r4 = 00000000
Function entered at [<c003ab24>] from [<c003a060>]
  r9 = ffffffff
  r8 = 60000013
  r7 = c00b8fbc
  r6 = 00000001
  r5 = c015ff54
  r4 = 00003007
Function entered at [<c00b88e4>] from [<c00b9170>]
  r9 = 00000100
  r8 = 00000001
  r7 = 00000400
  r6 = 00000001
  r5 = 00000000
  r4 = c015ffd4
Function entered at [<c00b8fe8>] from [<c00639b0>]
  r9 = 00000008
  r8 = c0100bac
  r7 = 00000010
  r6 = 00000002
  r5 = 00000f90
  r4 = c0f11d40
Function entered at [<c0063810>] from [<c0039bd8>]
  r9 = 41807202
  r8 = c00fd8ec
  r7 = c00fd6c8
  r6 = c01226bc
  r5 = c00fd6c4
  r4 = 00000000
Function entered at [<c00eabf8>] from [<60000013>]
Code: pc not in code space
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When I want to build the uclinux kernel for arm7
the make will not let me do zImage.  The output says that there is no
"vmlinuz" in the makefile.

Is #make zImage the proper way to make the kernel?
What about #make all?
Where is the newly made kernel placed after the make is executed?

Thanks

Tony Benavides

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An easy to install RPM based kit for StrongARM* Linux cross development
tools is available for download (in both x386 binary and source code
formats) at the following location:

ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/users/c/chagas/arm-linux-cross

This toolkit allows development of applications, device drivers and kernel
development for StrongARM* Linux. Please refer to the README file for
detailed installation instructions. Note, the kit also includes Linux v2.4
for the SA1110/SA1111 "Assabet" Development Board
(http://developer.intel.com/design/strong/quicklist/eval-plat/).

Although the binaries were compiled with RedHat v6.1 Linux, they should also
run on other distributions of Linux.

Regards,

Jason

*StrongARM(r) is a trademark of Advanced RISC Machines, Ltd.


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HI,
   I am able to down load the images to SA1110 board but i am unable
   to get any display.But I was able to get even X working on Brutus
   board.
regards
alex


On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Chagas, Jason wrote:

> An easy to install RPM based kit for StrongARM* Linux cross development
> tools is available for download (in both x386 binary and source code
> formats) at the following location:
> 
> ftp://ftp.netwinder.org/users/c/chagas/arm-linux-cross
> 
> This toolkit allows development of applications, device drivers and
kernel
> development for StrongARM* Linux. Please refer to the README file for
> detailed installation instructions. Note, the kit also includes Linux
v2.4
> for the SA1110/SA1111 "Assabet" Development Board
> (http://developer.intel.com/design/strong/quicklist/eval-plat/).
> 
> Although the binaries were compiled with RedHat v6.1 Linux, they should
also
> run on other distributions of Linux.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jason
> 
> *StrongARM(r) is a trademark of Advanced RISC Machines, Ltd.
> 
> 



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Dinakar Guniguntala writes:
> I am trying to get a 2.2.1 kernel with the latest patch from

About 18 months of work has happened since this kernel was released.
It is known to be buggy, and by this time I guess that very few people
can remember what the problems were.

> I can see that we are in the do_rs7211_bh of the serial_7211
> driver called from do_bottom_half.  I have already made the changes
> to proc-arm6,7.S for TLB flushing of EP7211.  Are there any other
> changes that need to be done

Looks like its jumping off to somewhere silly 0x38 bytes into
do_rs7211_bh.  Apart from that, I can't comment what the problem
may be.  You'll have to look at the assembly code of that function
to diagnose where its supposed to be jumping to.
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hello,
Can anybody help me how to write the hard ware address
for a CS8900 cirrus ethernet chip in the serial eeprom
in cirrus evaluation board...
Actually I tried with the one loader.tar file
where i can get some more details?

thank u.
-mali




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Hi,
  I'm after a >>cheap<< ARM card which can drive a 640x480 colour (3 bit
per R/G/B) panel.

  Can I please reemphasize the word >>CHEAP<< - this is just for myself
for messing about with, I'm not going to make any money from it.

  (The AEB doesn't look like it has quite enough umph to drive a display
of that res.)

Recommendations (and costs?) ?

Dave

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Hi:
  I was trying to corss-compile the telnet program downloaded from netwinder
website, to arm-linux executable. But after I run make, it exist with the
following error:
  arm-linux-gcc -s authenc.o commands.o main.o network.o ring.o sys_bsd.o
telnet.o
  terminal.o tn3270.o utilities.o genget.o  -lncurses -o telnet
  /home/arm_backup/arm/arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
  collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
  make[1]: *** [telnet] Error 1

  It appears that couldn't find some library. How do I solve this problem?

Thank you!
Lei Sun

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The uclinux kernel is now made via the aplionet site rpms and pre-configured
code.  
I looked in the linux/arch/armnommu/boot directory and there was not a
familiar file to my eyes.
Where is the made kernel placed?
There is a folder in /../../armnommu/boot that is called compressed.  The
file mentions vmlinux, what is this used for?

I am using, obviously, an ARM7 platform.  What is the best bootloader to use
for this platform and how can I get this unfound kernel image loaded.

thanks for the help,




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From: "Vadim Lebedev" <vlebedev@aplio.fr>
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Edward,

Did you download the uclinux from http://aplionet.aplio.fr/uclinux

if not do so,


and read the FAQ there

Vadim

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|When I want to build the uclinux kernel for arm7
|the make will not let me do zImage.  The output says that there is no
|"vmlinuz" in the makefile.
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|Is #make zImage the proper way to make the kernel?
|What about #make all?
|Where is the newly made kernel placed after the make is executed?
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|edward.a.benavides@intel.com
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In:

ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/source/kernel-patches/v2.3/

I find files like:

patch-2.3.48-rmk1.gz
patch-2.3.48-rmk2.gz

patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk1.gz
patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk2.gz
patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk3.gz
patch-2.3.99-pre8-rmk2.gz
patch-2.3.99-pre8-rmk1.gz
patch-2.3.99-pre9-rmk2.gz

pre-patch-2.3.23-rmk1.gz
pre-patch-2.3.49-rmk1.gz
pre-patch-3.3.51-rmk1.gz

So.  What is the code?  I found a README that said the
"2.3.xx" was the actual kernel release and the "rmk"x was a date.
But that does not look like a date to me.  And I've not been able to
find what the pre stuff means.

Any hints will be appreciated.

I'm still trying to get out of the starting gate on this and I am slowly

finding enough stuff that fits together (i.e. gcc-2. whatever instead
of egcs and the newer bin-utils and such).  I will assume for now that
I'll be messing with kernel 2.3 but maybe I should be doing 2.4.  At
this
point it probably does not matter.

But the arm patch stuff and all the different Brutus, SA1100,1110, 1111,
and
Assebet, and others are all pretty bewildering.  I have a board with
sa1110
wrote on it and a board with sa1111 wrote on it and a touch screen.  I
don't
know whether that is a Brutus or a Howdy Doody.  All I know is that
I've been commanded to "put linux on it".  And I truly believe that if I
can
figure out what the numbers and letters mean on the patch file names
I will be able to "put linux on it".  Making it actually _do_ something
will
probably be a lot tougher.  But, then, I wasn't commissioned  to do
_that_.

Plaese advise as to where to find the keys or just give me a hint of
what the pre and the rnk stuff means.

Thanx.
--

Coburn ---


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Mike Coburn wrote:

> So.  What is the code?  I found a README that said the
> "2.3.xx" was the actual kernel release and the "rmk"x was a date.
> But that does not look like a date to me.  And I've not been able to
> find what the pre stuff means.

These are all patches to the Linux kernel source tree. Essentially, to get a
kernel that will do something useful on your hardware (more on that later),
you'll need to collect a recent tree and one or more of these files which update
the tree.

Here's a current version of the kernel:

  ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.0-test4.tar.gz

Ordinarily, you'd have to collect two or three patches from various places in
order to bring this code up to speed, but this week, you're in luck. Just get:

  ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/people/nico/diff-2.4.0-test4-np1.gz

Information on applying patches and compiling the kernel can be found elsewhere
online, so I won't repeat it here.


> But the arm patch stuff and all the different Brutus, SA1100,1110, 1111,
> and
> Assebet, and others are all pretty bewildering.  I have a board with
> sa1110
> wrote on it and a board with sa1111 wrote on it and a touch screen.  I
> don't
> know whether that is a Brutus or a Howdy Doody.

It sounds like you have an Assabet (the SA-1110 board) and a Neponset (the
SA-1111 board). Take a look at:

  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~wearable/software/assabet.html


> Plaese advise as to where to find the keys or just give me a hint of
> what the pre and the rnk stuff means.

Up until recently, we were at a pre-release version of kernel 2.3.99. Linus went
on vacation, but has released a "test" release of kernel 2.4.0, which isn't too
terribly different from the "pre" kernels. The "RMK" refers, naturally, to
THE developer of ARM Linux (Russell King). As patches are released to a given
kernel tree, the resulting tree is identified by a version string that might
include the name of the developer and a serial number, as in "2.3.48-rmk2"
(Russell's second patch release for kernel 2.3.48).

-jd


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I currently use :

	binutils-2.9.5.0.27 : ok

	gcc-2.95.2 patched with gcc-2.95.2-diff-991022 : following
www.inkvine.fluff.org/~chris/arm-tools.html steps

[root@L_XDE build_gcc-2.95.2]# make [LANGUAGES="c"]
...
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc'
Configuring in arm-linux/libiberty
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for arm-linux-ar... arm-linux-ar
checking for arm-linux-ranlib... arm-linux-ranlib
checking for gcc... /home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/xgcc
-B/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/ -B/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether /home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/xgcc
-B/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/ -B/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/ accepts
-g... yes
checking for POSIXized ISC... no
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
xhost-mkfrag is unchanged
checking how to run the C preprocessor... /lib/cpp
checking for sys/file.h... yes
checking for sys/param.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
share/i18n/charmaps/NS_4551-1ñ9.././scripts/mkinstalldirs
/usr/local/share/i18n/charmaps/aV/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 charmaps/NS_4551-2
/usr/local/share/i18n/charmaps/NS_4551-2ychecking for sys/time.h... yes
checking for sys/resource.h... yes
checking for sys/wait.h that is POSIX.1 compatible... no
!!!
checking whether the C compiler (/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/xgcc
-B/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/ -B/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/ -g -O2 )
works... no
configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot
create executables.
!!!
make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/arm-linux/libio'
test x"no" != xyes ||\
  /home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/xgcc
-B/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/ -B/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/ -c -g
-O2 -I. -I../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio -D_IO_MTSAFE_IO
 ../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c -o pic/iogetline.o
/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/xgcc
-B/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/gcc/ -B/usr/local/arm-linux/bin/ -c -g
-O2 -I. -I../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio -D_IO_MTSAFE_IO
../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c
In file included from ../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:26:
../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/libioP.h:30: errno.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de
ce type
In file included from ../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iolibio.h:1,
                 from ../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/libioP.h:47,
                 from ../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:26:
../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/libio.h:30: _G_config.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire
de ce type
../../../gcc-2.95.2/libio/iogetline.c:27: string.h: Aucun fichier ou répertoire
de ce type
make[1]: *** [iogetline.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/xde/arm_linux/build_gcc-2.95.2/arm-linux/libio'
make: *** [all-target-libio] Error
2                                                                                                                                            

any help is welcomed


	glibc-2.1.3
	glibc-linuxthreads-2.1.2
	glibc-crypt-2.1

although the compiler seems not to be able to produce executables, the whole
glibc has been compiled properly except a few lines in
sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c (lines 103-104 and 107-112) I was compelled
to comment out.

Is there anything to bypass the compiler problem ?
Where should I define the following variables CTL_BUS, BUS_ISA,
BUS_ISA_PORT_BASE, BUS_ISA_PORT_SHIFT, so that ioperm.c could compile ?

Thank you.
Xavier.
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Hi all:
   I have been trying to port the linux to SA1110 for a month, I can make
the linux-2.4.0 (test2 or test4) runing on it. But the network has some
problem which is very hard to find out the reason. so I am thinking to
change to older kernel.
   Does anybody know if the kernel 2.2.14 with Nico's patch could run on
SA1110 ? I ever tried it before but I didn't make it. And if I build 2.2.14
kernel, How can I make the compact flash ethernet (socket comm. LP CF)
working? I know I need install the pcmica card service package, but where
can I get that specific driver for LP CF card?
   Thank you!


Lei Sun


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"Sun, Lei" wrote:

>    Does anybody know if the kernel 2.2.14 with Nico's patch could run on
> SA1110 ? I ever tried it before but I didn't make it. And if I build 2.2.14
> kernel, How can I make the compact flash ethernet (socket comm. LP CF)
> working? I know I need install the pcmica card service package, but where
> can I get that specific driver for LP CF card?

As far as I know, pcnet_cs with that device has not been tried on a kernel
earlier than 2.3.99. This probably doesn't matter, however. You could go and get
a recent PCMCIA Card Services and run it against a 2.2 kernel, which in all
likelihood would not behave differently from what you're now seeing on Neponset.

I think that something is flaky with either the SA-1111 or the Nep
PCMCIA implementation. That card works just fine on Assabet, but only comes
close to working on Neponset if you play tricks with the device I/O. For
example, there is a known corruption issue with the last octet of an odd-length
frame transfer from the card, which simply does not happen on other systems.

I'm sorry I can't offer you a more useful answer at the moment. =(

-jd


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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sun, Lei wrote:

> Hi all:
>    I have been trying to port the linux to SA1110 for a month, I can make
> the linux-2.4.0 (test2 or test4) runing on it. But the network has some
> problem which is very hard to find out the reason. so I am thinking to
> change to older kernel.
>    Does anybody know if the kernel 2.2.14 with Nico's patch could run on
> SA1110 ? I ever tried it before but I didn't make it. And if I build 2.2.14
> kernel, How can I make the compact flash ethernet (socket comm. LP CF)
> working? I know I need install the pcmica card service package, but where
> can I get that specific driver for LP CF card?
>    Thank you!

You'll have to port everything yourself i.e. the kernel support for
Assabet, the PCMCIA subsystem, the ethernet driver, etc.  And you'll be
alone in your corner because 2.2.x kernels are no longer maintained as
SA11x0 support is concerned.  All this without any waranty that you won't
have the same telnet problem at the end.

Believe me you're way better to investigate yourself a little more on the
2.4.x kernels.


Nicolas


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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:

> As far as I know, pcnet_cs with that device has not been tried on a kernel
> earlier than 2.3.99. This probably doesn't matter, however. You could go and get
> a recent PCMCIA Card Services and run it against a 2.2 kernel, which in all
> likelihood would not behave differently from what you're now seeing on Neponset.
> 
> I think that something is flaky with either the SA-1111 or the Nep
> PCMCIA implementation. That card works just fine on Assabet, but only comes
> close to working on Neponset if you play tricks with the device I/O.

It doesn't work perfectly on stand-alone Assabet either.

Just try to telnet into your Assabet and logout a couple of times.  The
sixth telnet or so just hang because tcpd on the Assabet goes nuts and
stalls for still unknown reasons...  and I don't have the time to trace it
down at the moment.


Nicolas


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Hi:
  Sorry for so many questions.
  I have a generic questions about cross-compile source package for
arm-linux.  I have tool chain, compiler, glibc installed on my host machine
(redhat linux 6.2) in /home/arm/ directory. 
  some packages can be compiled by just specifying the compiler to be
arm-linux-gcc, but some couldn't. My questions are:
  1. sometimes, the make try to execute program generated during compiling,
since it's cross-compile, it couldn't execute the binary, so it existed. how
to solve this problem ( the make -i option could work, but sometimes the
package need some files generated by the compiled binary program) ?
  2. sometimes, it's couldn't find some Lib or header file, what is the
search creteria of the lib and header for the cross-compilers? 
  due to the resources limites, I can't install compiler on my target. In
that case, things could be trival.
  Thank you! Any hint or suggestion is appreciated!!
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Hi:
  OK, I will stay in the latest kernel version :-) and try to play it by
myself about the network problem. ( I wrote a socket program, let it
constantly send a short message  to other machine from Assabet, and the
first 5 messages are correct, after that the message coming in become
garbage code).After network error occured, I can't even reboot the system(
shutdown or reboot doesn't work, have to push reset key).
  Jeff, see Nico's message, it doesn't work well on stand alone Assabet
either, he reproduced the same telnet error as I met.

  THank you!

lei
   

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> On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John G Dorsey wrote:
> 
> > As far as I know, pcnet_cs with that device has not been 
> tried on a kernel
> > earlier than 2.3.99. This probably doesn't matter, however. 
> You could go and get
> > a recent PCMCIA Card Services and run it against a 2.2 
> kernel, which in all
> > likelihood would not behave differently from what you're 
> now seeing on Neponset.
> > 
> > I think that something is flaky with either the SA-1111 or the Nep
> > PCMCIA implementation. That card works just fine on 
> Assabet, but only comes
> > close to working on Neponset if you play tricks with the device I/O.

Trust me, it's the design of the Nep >:(

> It doesn't work perfectly on stand-alone Assabet either.

Huh?  News to me.  Mine works great, root filesystem NFS mounted, streaming
MP3's down the Ethernet all day long.  Better check you bootloader's memory
settings.  My old phase 1 Assabet is pretty sedate due to broken things
(main memory clocks at 1/4 cpu due to broken PLD for LCD, CPU fixed to
147MHz to make the 1394 codec work right, and so forth ad nausium...) so I
have a bit of timing margin.  You guys cranking up your processor clocks may
see flaky things happen, but that's life in the fast lane :D
 
> Just try to telnet into your Assabet and logout a couple of 
> times.  The
> sixth telnet or so just hang because tcpd on the Assabet goes nuts and
> stalls for still unknown reasons...  and I don't have the 
> time to trace it
> down at the moment.

Don't bother, Nicolas, I think it's your hardware.  I do this all day long,
leaving the little guy up for days at a time.

Now could someone clue me in as to what happened to the frame buffer driver
on the Assabet?  It was working fine back in the 2.3.99-pre-something days,
but lately I've noticed that every other scan line is blank even though the
screen geometry over all is correct (no, it's not hardware, the phase 4
Assabet does it, too).

X and MicroWindows don't find the touch screen.  "Error 2 opening touch
panel; Cannot initialise mouse" is what the nano-X driver says.  The major
number is assigned dynamically.  I stuck a device in /dev anyway and pointed
"mouse" to it, still no joy.  This one's a little light on documentation.
Hints, anyone, please?

Thanks!
//Jeff

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> It doesn't work perfectly on stand-alone Assabet either.

I failed to mention the kernel version in my earlier post, sorry.  I'm using
2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3 (which has no evident problem with telnet, ftp, or
anything else).  Is the flakyness you mentioned occurring in -test4-np1? I'm
not there yet.  Golly, I've been doing software too long!  Imagine, me
thinking there's a hardware problem!  Sheesh!

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Mike Coburn writes:
> patch-2.3.48-rmk1.gz
> patch-2.3.48-rmk2.gz
> 
> patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk1.gz
> patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk2.gz
> patch-2.3.99-pre3-rmk3.gz
> patch-2.3.99-pre8-rmk2.gz
> patch-2.3.99-pre8-rmk1.gz
> patch-2.3.99-pre9-rmk2.gz
> 
> pre-patch-2.3.23-rmk1.gz
> pre-patch-2.3.49-rmk1.gz
> pre-patch-3.3.51-rmk1.gz

The pre- prefix means that its an alpha bit.  The next section up to the -rmk
is Linus' source code version number that you need to fetch to apply this
patch to.  Lastly, the -rmk number is the "generation" number of the patch
for this version - the larger the later.

Hope this explains it.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Jeff Sutherland wrote:

> > It doesn't work perfectly on stand-alone Assabet either.
> 
> I failed to mention the kernel version in my earlier post, sorry.  I'm using
> 2.4.0-test2-ac1-rmk2-np3 (which has no evident problem with telnet, ftp, or
> anything else).  Is the flakyness you mentioned occurring in -test4-np1? I'm
> not there yet.  Golly, I've been doing software too long!  Imagine, me
> thinking there's a hardware problem!  Sheesh!

The bug occured with older kernel versions too.  And it occurs reliably on
the sixth telnet into the Assabet or so after every reboot.  I don't think
that a hardware bug can be triggered so deterministicly with such a
high-level software sequence.

I would rather suspect something with the ethernet driver and/or the TCP
code.  For example if odd-byte-length packets are mishandled by the driver
then most likely TCP connections will fail where NFS on UDP will still
work.


Nicolas


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>Now could someone clue me in as to what happened to the frame buffer
>driver on the Assabet? It was working fine back in the 
>2.3.99-pre-something days, but lately I've noticed that every other scan
>line is blank even though the screen geometry over all is correct (no,
>it's not hardware, the phase 4 Assabet does it, too). 

I am not having that problem, with a 2.4.0-test1-etcetera kernel and using
NanoX and Microwindows.  Are you having this problem when Tux is drawn?

>X and MicroWindows don't find the touch screen. "Error 2 opening touch 
>panel; Cannot initialise mouse" is what the nano-X driver says. The major 
>number is assigned dynamically. I stuck a device in /dev anyway and
>pointed "mouse" to it, still no joy. This one's a little light on
>documentation. 
>Hints, anyone, please? 

This is what Greg Haerr has to say on the NanoGUI mailing list (found at
www.microwindows.org):

"The microwindows touch screen drivers work on the MIPS Linux-VR
kernels and the StrongARM ADS graphics client boxes only right now.
I think Monta Vista has been working on a driver for the Assabet."

I'm not sure how close Monta Vista is to finishing the driver, or if they
are writing one at all (I'd assume that they are, seeing that they are
marketing a product with a working touchscreen and X on the SA-1110).
It's possible that a whole Assabet touchscreen driver might have to be
written from scratch for Microwindows if the Monta Vista rumor is
untrue, or at least the current driver will have to be modified...

Marco Carbone





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> The bug occured with older kernel versions too.  And it 
> occurs reliably on
> the sixth telnet into the Assabet or so after every reboot.  
> I don't think
> that a hardware bug can be triggered so deterministicly with such a
> high-level software sequence.
> 
> I would rather suspect something with the ethernet driver 
> and/or the TCP
> code.  For example if odd-byte-length packets are mishandled 
> by the driver
> then most likely TCP connections will fail where NFS on UDP will still
> work.
> 
> 
> Nicolas

OK, I've been doing some testing with this.  With test4-np1 I can reproduce
this.  My old Assabet simply reboots when logging out from the sixth telnet
session.  I can't reproduce this on test2-ac1-rmk2-np3 (maybe I'm just not
trying the right combinations of multiple login/logouts).  Just tried
logging in and out 12 times and it's still working fine. ??????

//Jeff

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Jeff Sutherland escribió:

>X and MicroWindows don't find the touch screen.  "Error 2 opening touch
> panel; Cannot initialize mouse" is what the nano-X driver says.  The major
> number is assigned dynamically.  I stuck a device in /dev anyway and pointed
> "mouse" to it, still no joy.  This one's a little light on documentation.
> Hints, anyone, please?

Hi Jeff. I have had microwindows running on Assabet for days (unfortunately, I
am
now waiting for my final board and I can not do more tests). The touchscreen was

running without any problem (even not calibrated, a reduced version of minehunt
that I modified -10x10 board- worked perfectly.

In order to do so, I did this:
1.-  Compiled touchscreen driver in kernel (from 2.4.0-tes1-"some_patches" up to

2.4.0-test4-np1)
2.- Started assabet
3.- "cat /proc/devices" looking for sa1100_touch (or similar). Major number
found was 254.
4.- I then created 2 devices:
    mknod /dev/ts c 254 34
    mknod /dev/tsraw c 254 18 ( I do not know if this last one is necessary)
 After that, microwindows was able to find and use touchscreen.

I hope this helps.


Saludos (Best regards).
Joan Lluis Montore Parera
Director de Tecnología (Technology Mgr.)
ICT electronics SA  email:jlm@ict.es  web:www.ict.es




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Hi all,

I ever built a arm toolchain for brutus sa1100
development board. It works well for armlinux-2.3.35
on sa1100.

Now I start to try sa1110. I have too questions
intuitively.
1.Do I need rebuild a new toolchain to build software
for sa1110?
2.Do I need use new armlinux kernel such as
armlinux-2.4.0 and corresponding new patches and what
is the newest stable one?

Thanks in advance.

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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:57:05 -0400, Sun, Lei wrote:
>   I have a generic questions about cross-compile source package for
> arm-linux.  I have tool chain, compiler, glibc installed on my host machine
> (redhat linux 6.2) in /home/arm/ directory. 
>   some packages can be compiled by just specifying the compiler to be
> arm-linux-gcc, but some couldn't. My questions are:
>   1. sometimes, the make try to execute program generated during compiling,
> since it's cross-compile, it couldn't execute the binary, so it existed. how
> to solve this problem ( the make -i option could work, but sometimes the
> package need some files generated by the compiled binary program) ?

For GNU autoconf-ed packages (the ones with a configure script), you
should also tell the package that you're actually cross compiling by
specifying the target platform (arm-unknown-linux-gnu):

  setenv CC arm-linux-gcc
  ./configure [funny options] arm-unknown-linux-gnu

With a properly crafted configure script, the binaries needed to generate
the source files will be compiled with the system's native compiler, while
the final binary will be compiled with the cross compiler.

If that still doesn't work (like with bash), you need a native platform to
get things compiled. Compaq CRL has some hosts online to do this:

   skiffcluster1.handhelds.org
   skiffcluster2.handhelds.org

The username is:
     guest

The password is:
      <cr>

Jim Stud also has a Debian box which you can use for cross compiles.

>   2. sometimes, it's couldn't find some Lib or header file, what is the
> search creteria of the lib and header for the cross-compilers? 
>   due to the resources limites, I can't install compiler on my target. In
> that case, things could be trival.

Use "arm-linux-gcc -pring-search-dirs" and the compiler will tell you
about its directories.


Erik

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wolf wrote:

> 1.Do I need rebuild a new toolchain to build software
> for sa1110?

Except for some differences that are mostly of interest to low-level code (e.g.,
SDRAM support), the SA-1110 is an SA-1100. Your existing toolchain should work
nicely.


> 2.Do I need use new armlinux kernel such as
> armlinux-2.4.0 and corresponding new patches and what
> is the newest stable one?

Kernel 2.4.0-test4-np1 is the latest and greatest for the StrongARM; the patch
you want is available from:

  ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/people/nico/

Note that only a couple of 1110 boards are supported at the moment. Hopefully
yours is one of them. =)

Good luck,
-jd



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I have to put uclinux on a custom board with an ARM7 processor.  The memory
map on my board is obviously different
that say the Aplio board which starts its entry @ 00008000h.  Where can I
modify the src code before I make the kernel so that I can have the kernel
start at address 00080000h.

Thanks

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> > >Now could someone clue me in as to what happened to the frame buffer
> > >driver on the Assabet? It was working fine back in the 
> > >2.3.99-pre-something days, but lately I've noticed that 
> > every other scan
> > >line is blank even though the screen geometry over all is 
> > correct (no,
> > >it's not hardware, the phase 4 Assabet does it, too). 
> > 
> > I am not having that problem, with a 2.4.0-test1-etcetera 
> > kernel and using
> > NanoX and Microwindows.  Are you having this problem when Tux 
> > is drawn?
> 
> Yes, unfortunately.

Well, I upgraded to a 2.4.0-test4-np1 kernel and suddenly, my frame buffer
was skipping pixel rows as well.  With two cases, it seems like something
is wrong with the framebuffer in this kernel.  Does anyone out there have
2.4.0-test4-np1 working with a clean display?

> I received a reply from jlm@ict.es who claimed to have the MicroWindows
> driver working on an Assabet with the latest kernel.  He suggested creating
> two devices, mknod /dev/ts c 254 34 and mknod /dev/tsraw c 254 18 which was
> the info I was looking for.  However, when starting the nano-X binary,
> nothing much happens until I touch the display, then I get a core dump.
> Well, that's some progress I guess :(  The specific error message is:
> 
> GsError 7, 0
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> 
> After looking at ucb1200_ts.c in the kernel it was obvious that this is a
> work in progress.

Did you try running any of the demos (like npanel.sh)?  It's possible they
might be more receptive to the touchscreen...
 
I have done the same thing with the mknods, but rather than a Seg fault,
I'm afraid I get no response at all.  However, I'm no longer getting the
'Error 2 opening touch panel' - so that's a start.  Has anyone else got
the touchscreen working as simply as Joan?

Marco

 


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Hi all:
   I would like to report the status for the ethernet problem for
2.4.0-test2, test4 with or without neponset.
   for standalone SA1110 assbet. As I mentioned that the telnet session
stuck after trying a couple of times. I rebuilt the tcpd program. but it
didn't work. Obviously it's also not the in.telnetd problem, because the ftp
also stucked if telnet session hang there. BUT a interesting thing I found
is that I installed a apache webserver program on my target. I CAN always
browse a simple webpage even when telnet or ftp hangning there. How could
this happened? if the driver has some problem. webserver should also go
wrong if other TCP program hang there.
   Lei Sun

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Hi All,

Just a quicky - is their an idiots guide to getting a decent distribution
going on a CATS server? I know the kernel had support added (Phil
Blundell) but need a 'get going' webpage to show how it's all done.

Any pointers gladly received.

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Hi,

Is there a testsuite for linux, which comprehensively exercises OS 
features like semaphores, shared memory, threads etc.

Thanks

Uday

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>Just a quicky - is their an idiots guide to getting a decent distribution
>going on a CATS server?

It's not completely trivial at the moment.  From what I remember the CATS 
firmware can't boot off CD or floppy so you need to either boot over NFS or 
from your NetBSD partition initially.  Debian will run on a CATS but I don't 
know what the state of support in the boot disks is.  You might be able to use 
some variant of the NetWinder install process.

I hope to get time to look into this properly soon.

p.



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>> I received a reply from jlm@ict.es who claimed to have the MicroWindows
>> driver working on an Assabet with the latest kernel.  He suggested creating
>> two devices, mknod /dev/ts c 254 34 and mknod /dev/tsraw c 254 18 which was
>> the info I was looking for.  However, when starting the nano-X binary,
>> nothing much happens until I touch the display, then I get a core dump.
>> Well, that's some progress I guess :(  The specific error message is:
>>
>> GsError 7, 0
>> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>>
>> After looking at ucb1200_ts.c in the kernel it was obvious that this is a
>> work in progress.

The programs based on Nano-X die when you use the touch (concretely when
receiving the pen up event). The programs based on microwindows (like mine)
works properly. After some hacking, I found that if you comment out the line 72
( return -1;) of microwindows/src/drivers/mou_ts.c the nano-X based applications
work perfectly. I assumed it was a small misunderstanding between the nano-X
code and the touchscreen driver that is being worked now.

> Did you try running any of the demos (like npanel.sh)?  It's possible they
> might be more receptive to the touchscreen...

If you try them without the modification I suggested, they are going to fail. As
I previously said only the microwindows based (mine, malpha, etc.) work directly


Saludos (Best regards).
Joan Lluis Montore Parera
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 04:37:58PM -0700, Naik, Uday wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a testsuite for linux, which comprehensively exercises OS 
> features like semaphores, shared memory, threads etc.

I don't know of a direct test, but parts of the perl testsuite can be
quite effective (make test in the perl build directory). It certainly
found what turned out to be a small bug in arm glibc 2.1 w.r.t. the size of
group IDs, and the system V IPC module's tests attempt to exercise semaphores
and shared memory. However, it's not ideal as one has to investigate
(possibly with ad hoc C programs) whether reported failures are due to bugs
in perl or bugs further down.

Nicholas Clark

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In article <E13HLQ8-00059m-00@kings-cross.london.uk.eu.org>,
   Philip Blundell <pb@tazenda.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >Just a quicky - is their an idiots guide to getting a decent
> >distribution going on a CATS server?

> It's not completely trivial at the moment.  From what I remember the
> CATS firmware can't boot off CD or floppy so you need to either boot
> over NFS or from your NetBSD partition initially.  Debian will run on a
> CATS but I don't know what the state of support in the boot disks is. 
> You might be able to use some variant of the NetWinder install process.

> I hope to get time to look into this properly soon.

Cheers for the response - as I thought really - still black art stuff - I
have other boxes running RHat 6.2 so could (in theory) boot from NFS via
these - any webpages I should be reading?

BTW, does Debian have native support for the CATS system or is it a kernel
re-compile scenario?

If you're doing any work in this are keep me posted! Ta!

BFN
Jeremy

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>BTW, does Debian have native support for the CATS system or is it a kernel
>re-compile scenario?

I'm not sure.  You should probably ask on the debian-arm list.  There's no 
reason the NetWinder kernel can't also support EBSA-285 and NetWinder, but it 
has to be compiled with the right options.

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I am using NFS for my CATS system. It seems that the ALI 15x3 (IDE) driver
is broke in Linuxd-2.4.0-test4. When I get some time this week, I will take
a look at it.

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> I'm not sure.  You should probably ask on the debian-arm 
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I am using an initrd.

The kernel complains

VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
attempt to access beyond end of device
01:00: rw=0, want=12637, limit=10324


What is the kernel trying to tell me?


SAM

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, S A McConnell wrote:

> I am using an initrd.
> 
> The kernel complains
> 
> VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> attempt to access beyond end of device
> 01:00: rw=0, want=12637, limit=10324
> 
> 
> What is the kernel trying to tell me?

That your initrd filesystem is too large for the maximum ramdisk size you
specified to the kernel.


Nicolas


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hi!

for a prototype robot, i need an embedded system running linux.
unfortunately i did not manage to get any useful information
where to buy a standalone SA 1100 device within the last days.
so are there any available? if yes, which is suitable for linux, and
where can i get them?

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In response to the growing number of requests for a Java JDK to run on the
NetWinder I asked Scott Hutinger of BlackDown to build and post a new version
based on the latest shipping NetWinder image (DM 3.1-15a).  He has graciously
rebuilt JDK 1.1.8 and made it available from here:

ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.1.8/arm/v2

It should eventually be mirrored and appear on the Blackdown mirrors.

Scott
 
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Scott Bambrough wrote:
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> In response to the growing number of requests for a Java JDK to run on the
> NetWinder I asked Scott Hutinger of BlackDown to build and post a new version
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> ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.1.8/arm/v2
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> It should eventually be mirrored and appear on the Blackdown mirrors.
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> Scott

	Thanks Scott and Scott!

	I was wondering if there was any current effort underway to build a
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    Currently, I have a library and want it to link with my application. So,
I use "arm-linux-gcc -Wall main.c libxxx.a". It looks good that no error is
produced. When I put it into my 7212 board, and run it, a kernel panic is
resulted. The exact error is
    "Kernel panic: Unknown data abort code 4194304 [pc=020014e8,
*pc=e14192b0] LR=0x014e8"

    When I trace the program, the data abort occurs at once it branch to the
library code. Can anyone help?

Yours,
Jacky Lam




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>Where can I modify the src code before I make the kernel so that I can have
the kernel
>start at address 00080000h.

try to modify
    arch/armnommu/Makefile:TEXTADDR  = 0x00080000
    or
    arch/armnommu/Makefile:textaddr  =0x00080000

Good luck~

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>    "Kernel panic: Unknown data abort code 4194304 [pc=020014e8,
>*pc=e14192b0] LR=0x014e8"

Looks like your version of the kernel doesn't handle aborting halfword 
instructions.  I think this was only recently added.

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Dear Philip,

    The Thumb instruction set? If I have to overcome this problem(btw, can
arm linux support thumb instruction?), what should I do? Upgrade the
compiler and kernel? I have tried before. But it is too complicated to
collect all the necessary patches.... Where can I find a complete
instruction and patches to do this?

    Thanks very much.

Jacky Lam
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>>    "Kernel panic: Unknown data abort code 4194304 [pc=020014e8,
>>*pc=e14192b0] LR=0x014e8"
>
>Looks like your version of the kernel doesn't handle aborting halfword
>instructions.  I think this was only recently added.
>
>p.
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>    The Thumb instruction set?

No, this isn't Thumb.  The problem is that, on ARM7 based cores, if an 
instruction aborts the kernel needs to decode the faulting instruction to work 
out what to do.  It can handle most common cases, but not absolutely every 
instruction that can fault.  (For example, SWP still wasn't supported last 
time I looked; there have been a few reports of people having programs die 
because of this, too.)

The particular instruction you are having trouble with is LDRH, which is just 
an ARM 16-bit load.  If you upgrade to the latest kernel I think it will work.

>(btw, can arm linux support thumb instruction?),

People have done some work on this in the past but I don't know what the 
current status is.  As far as I know the kernel doesn't deal with Thumb yet.

p.



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I've asked around but no one so far seems to have complete GDB stubs for
ARM, or am I mistaken? (StrongARM hopefully).

I know of the Arnold bootloader, but honestly that code is hard to follow
since it links in so much functionality...

Suggestions?

Thanks,
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Cliff Brake cbrake@accelent.com supplied a patch for half-word support.
RMK included it in his latest patch.

SAM

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Hi all:
   I am tring to investigate the "telnet session stucks " bug in SA1110
Assabet for kernel 2.4.0-test2(in test4 version, things getting worse, even
ping don't work on stand along assabet).
   I wrote a small packet monitoring progrm which use the packet socket and
can read the whole raw packet from my arm target eth0 device, and print out
the source IP address, destination IP, source port and destinaion port and
the packet content. when I open this program on my arm target(IP
192.168.200.72) and try to telnet from 192.168.200.70, the packet monitoring
program output looks like this:

   source IP: 192.168.40.73  source port: 23
   dest   IP: 192.168.200.70 dest  port: 1078
   ...
   source IP: 192.168.40.172 source port: 23
   dest   IP: 192.168.200.70 dest port: 1078
   ....

   I tested this program in other linux machine, it works good. Noted that
the source IP address doesn't exist at all, looks like the last two bytes IP
address are mixed. so the reply packet are being send nowhere. so the telnet
session will hang there because it couldn't receive further packet. 
   Can anybody tell me what can cause this problem, ethernet driver ? or IP
suite implementation? 
   Thank you!

Lei Sun

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Sun, Lei writes:
>    I wrote a small packet monitoring progrm which use the packet socket and
> can read the whole raw packet from my arm target eth0 device, and print out
> the source IP address, destination IP, source port and destinaion port and
> the packet content.

You might want to look at the program called "tcpdump".  It does exactly
the same, but does a lot more interpretation.

> when I open this program on my arm target(IP 192.168.200.72) and try to

BTW, you don't "open" programs.  You "run" them.  "Open" is a microsoft-ism.

> telnet from 192.168.200.70, the packet monitoring program output looks
> like this:
> 
>    source IP: 192.168.40.73  source port: 23
>    dest   IP: 192.168.200.70 dest  port: 1078
>    ...
>    source IP: 192.168.40.172 source port: 23
>    dest   IP: 192.168.200.70 dest port: 1078
>    ....

Hmm, not sure - I'd like to see the output of tcpdump -s 256 -x to be sure.
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Dear Philip,

	Oh...I see....As I think that all the instructions on ARM is 32bit
long, except THUMB. I am quite new in such low level programming.
Anyway, I have find a way to go. But now, could you tell me how can I
collect all packages so as to upgrade my development tools and kernel?

	Thanks very much.

Yours,
Jacky Lam

Philip Blundell wrote:
> 
> >    "Kernel panic: Unknown data abort code 4194304 [pc=020014e8,
> >*pc=e14192b0] LR=0x014e8"
> 
> Looks like your version of the kernel doesn't handle aborting halfword
> instructions.  I think this was only recently added.
> 
> p.
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>Anyway, I have find a way to go. But now, could you tell me how can I
>collect all packages so as to upgrade my development tools and kernel?

For development tools, see Scott Bambrough's web page:
	http://www.netwinder.org/~scottb/notes/

For the kernel, what you need depends on your platform.  You should ask the 
experts on the linux-arm-kernel list if you don't know what to get.

p.



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Hi

Is there anybody who are willing to help me compiling uclinux kernel?
arm system is aplio-trio and arm cpu is arm6/7.
Final error message is as follows.

make[1]: Entering directory `/data/uclinux/cross/linux/arch/armnommu/boot'
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/data/uclinux/cross/linux/arch/armnommu/boot/compressed'
./xtract /data/uclinux/cross/linux/linux | gzip -9 | ./piggyback > piggy.o
Non-GCC header of 'system'
compressed size 20
arm-uclinux-ld -Ttext 0x2000 -o linux head.o misc.o  piggy.o
piggy.o: file not recognized: file format not recognized
make[2]: [linux] Error 1

Thanks in advance.

Regards
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Jooyeon Cho writes:
> make[1]: Entering directory `/data/uclinux/cross/linux/arch/armnommu/boot'
> make[2]: Entering directory 
> `/data/uclinux/cross/linux/arch/armnommu/boot/compressed'
> ./xtract /data/uclinux/cross/linux/linux | gzip -9 | ./piggyback > piggy.o
> Non-GCC header of 'system'
> compressed size 20
> arm-uclinux-ld -Ttext 0x2000 -o linux head.o misc.o  piggy.o
> piggy.o: file not recognized: file format not recognized
> make[2]: [linux] Error 1

Looks like something has gone spectacularly wrong here -
piggy.o is only 20 bytes, and therefore not a valid ELF file.  I'd
guess that ./xtract doesn't know about ELF (which is why we don't use
it in the mainstream kernels anymore, but prefer to use objcopy and
ld magic).

I guess tha the armnommu people need to fix that up when using ELF.
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I've just added followig chaptre to the ucLinux/ARM FAQ  at
http://aplionet.aplio.fr/uclinux


5.	How does the system boot?
The boot process for AEB target of ucLinux is uses bootrecod stored at
adress 0x4040 in the flash memory and assumes that the flash contains
FTL formatted disk image starting somewhere afterx 0xffff
The boot recod contains boot items. Each boot item contains the list of
sectors on FTL volume which decribes the file to load into ram , program
start address and some optioanl data.  The first boot items so decribes the
linux_boot program (the sorce of the program is in AplioTRIO/common/ftl
directory) .  linux_boot is compiled to be position indepnedent.
So the IPL code (which is activated upon reset at address 0x0000) loads the
linux_boot program into ram and gives it the control. The linux_boot loads
in turn loads the file
Described by the second boot item (BTW the file can be gzip-compressed in
this case it is uzipped during load) prepares the command line for the
kernel and jumps to the
kernel start address.
In the AplioTRIO/common/ftl  directory resides a source of the simpl.y
makeboot utility which given name of the linux_boot and kerenl files
prepares the bootrecord and
Optionally writes it to the specified address in the flash.

One more thing:  when make command is run to build the kernel  by default it
builds 3 files:
·	linux – elf emage of the kernel,
·	linux.bin – absolute image of the kernel
·	linux.bin.gz – copressed version of above




Enjoy
-----------------------------------------
Vadim Lebedev
Chief Software Engineer
Aplio SA.
mail:vlebedev@aplio.fr
http://www.aplio.com
------------------------------------------
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Hi all,
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Hi.

> Hi all,
>        Did any one  ported perl to
>        Linux CE.

Perl 5.00503 is working on my hard-float userland.

You can access all my hard-float RPMS from:
    http://www.peanuts.gr.jp/~kei/Hard-Float/
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What means hard-float? What a project is this?

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On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:14:02 +0200, Martin_Doering@mn.man.de wrote:
> What means hard-float? What a project is this?

Hard-float means that you're using the floating point unit in the CPU (or
emulate them in the OS). Soft-float means that you're emulating the
floating point instructions in a software library.

I can imagine that you can't follow this, I think you're subscribed to the
nanogui list and this question is waaaaaaay off-topic for that list.
People, _please_ don't cross post, but post your questions to the relevant
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Hi all
I like to know any one has ported perl to strong arm .
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