RE: mu TECH Netscape lock

From: Gordon Golden (
Date: Mon Jul 15 2002 - 18:24:41 CEST

Thanks for all the advice.

I had tried to delete the netscape lock file, but could not find it using
the xwin file manager. I found it today by enabling the "Show hidden files"
option under View. It was in the .netscape folder.

I deleted the lock file and tried to run netscape...nothing, but a new lock
file. Could not find netscape using the ps or ps -aux command. It appears to
not be starting except for the fact that a new lock file is generated. If I
try multiple starts on netscape, no error message? I noticed in some of the
older Netscape threads that the SVGA driver was required, is that still so?
I will try to load the SVGA driver (server?) and see if it runs then.

I am playing with various Linux installations on this old P166 for many
1) Is Linux for real? ie. can I recommend it to anyone but an power user?
2) How hard are the various versions to install?
3) How deep do I have to get into Linux commands just to install an Xwin
version, which is supposed to insulate the user from the underlying
4)What versions of Linux will run on this vintage machine to make it usable
for basic word processing and internet use? (needs to have a graphic

So far I have installed, and removed:
1) Mandrake 8.2, too big and toooooo slow on this machine, install not too
bad. Are earlier versions usable on a P166 w/32mb? Which one?
2) Slackware 8.0, a mess to install, didn't run, didn't fiddle with it
3) Grey Cat Linux, easy install, just unzip the file to a dos dir, but all
text based
4) 2disk Xwindows, easy install, would not recognize my serial mouse, crude
5)Tomsrtbt 1 disk Linux, great little troubleshooting disk

Red Hat v6.0 is running fine,the easiest install by far, but still requires
a lot of rooting around to get things working properly.

MuLinux was straightforward in the install and the install wizards are
great, but Netscape may just be too much for it.

Thanks for the help
Gordon Golden

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:11 AM
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> Subject: RE: mu TECH Netscape lock
> Gordon Golden wrote:
> > > All runs great and I can connect to internet no problems,
> > > except: when I try
> > > to run NS I get "Netscape has detected a /.netscape/lock
> > > file.
> Kautzmann Gerd wrote:
> > Have you eveer tried to delete the lock file ?
> > If you kills the netscape process ( or if the process dies )
> > the lock file could remain ... if you try to start netscape
> > again, it will find the lock file and it will sometimes refuse
> Yes, and his next problem may be how to find the 'lockfile'.
> I think I used to find it in root ?
> Perhaps it is to be found in your 'home' dir ?

> > Before killing a process try to get the process ID with the command
> > ps -aux
> >
> > If you got to many lines and you are only searching for netsacpe, try:
> > ps -aux | grep nets
> >
> > this will show you the process ID of a running netscape task ... you
> > can try to kill this but don't forget to remove the remaining lock file.
> ps like find and other unix commands has a mass of acrobatic switches.
> When will some one add front-ends to make this garbage useable,
> like mc is ?
> BTW can ps or something tell which working-dir a proccess
> was called from? Often I've got 2, 3, 4 mc editing/reading files
> in the same dir, and I want to cd to this dir for another VT,
> without loosing
> my place in the open file(s), to see which dir it is.
> > The good thing about muLINUX: It is small
> > The bad thing about muLINUX: It is small
> > To keep muLINUX small they have not installed a proper 'help' or 'man'
> > command. A full LINUX distribution will have a 'man' ( manual ) command
> > that provides a good help for everyone who wants to know more about a
> > specified command.
> The muLINUX documentation has good utility and educational value.
> Standard Linux man is not satisfactory:
> made for paper output,
> the 'page breaks' are most annoying,
> an old Slakwr version used to indicate at what percentage of the file
> one was currently at; new versions don't.
> Using mulinux to run the bloated monster netscape is IMO absurd.
> Where mulinux shines is when your hd is down or booting via
> fd0 is needed for some reason - perhaps to get into a WINbox.
> -- Chris Glur.
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